Back in the day the ending pic was a bunch of blue and black Chinese ninja. They were infamous for abducting children to train in their ranks and the (Super) Sub-Zero Bros. were about the only ones originating frmo Outworld in their clan. But yeah I agree it's changed so much. Most of the story has.. thank Raiden for this sort of back tracking of it. Maybe now we can get a definate story to go with this awesome fighting game.
Personally I thought Frost was a great character as well, though I don't think I could stand a hot chick with cold hands

Rain's mess was straightened out in MK:A. He was form Edenia, not Lin Kuei. That error bio was for Tremor... But yeah, Rain comes from Edenia, his father was Argus, he defected to Outworld

It was straightened out in... UMK3/MKT...

It's not that that bio was for tremor, and it was a copy and paste mistake, it was just a shitty retcon. Much like Reiko, Rain has suffered from a shaky backstory and crappy reveals. All the stories in MKA where a travesty as well... and personally, i think this is the perfect opportunity to fix his character. He would fit much better into the Lin Kuei than the Edenians anyway.

Anyway, I think the Lin Kuei have to be fleshed out more and explained better. Either new Lin Kuei characters or human versions of Sektor and Cyrax would be awesome.

The Lin Kuei were fleshed out perfectly fine. They used to recruit people with powers by kidnapping and training children who were born with them, and they didn't all have the same powers or origin stories. The Sub-Zero family happens to have ice powers because they were descended from an Outworld race, but that's not necessarily the case for other members like Smoke. Think of it like the X-Men or Harry Potter or something like that. In the MK universe, some people are just born with a natural talent for magic or supernatural abilities, but it's rare. We do need to see what Sektor and Cyrax were like when they were human or if they had any powers, I'll give you that.

Anyway, when the clan fell apart and Sub-Zero took them over and completely changed the way they run in Deadly Alliance. He moved them to a new headquarters up in the arctic and while there's probably still some members from the old version left, He had a recruitment drive and took only volunteers, who probably have no powers at all. And that's why all the generic Lin Kuei grunts are all dressed like Sub-Zero and the place has a cold theme now. It's entirely because Sub-Zero became the boss.

As for Rain, they're not gonna change him to be Lin Kuei, that's just dumb. It's not a complete reboot, Raiden can only change what happens in the games, not people's backstories that happened before the games.

Just to make something clear...

Ed Boon said that the upcoming MK storyline will happen AFTER Armageddon, so everything that's happened in the earlier games has actually happened so far! So no, there is no risk of having characters' backgrounds be rebooted or changed drastically. It is what happens in the events of MK1-3 that will change.

smoke,cyrax and sector were normal humans who had been kidnapped and transformed so no they shouldnt have had powers it said so in mk3

Mortal Kombat (2011) is a reboot of the series. Ed Boon said that the opening movie takes place after MK Armageddon, then Raiden sents a message to himself. Raiden "goes back in time" and changes important events so that things happen differenty.

Character storylines will be changed. In other words the MK team is going to reuse old storylines and change them around from the MK1 to MK3 series era. Of course the end result is unknown, but still a bad idea to me go back in time and resuse old storylines that have been closed for years. If the MK team doesn't do this right, its going to add a ton of confusion.

Example Liu Kang not winning MK1- MK3 changes everything form the past 17 years of MK history. It was explained a while back in 1992 in MK1, again in 1997 with MK: M : Sub-Zero and expanded on in 2002's Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance. The Lin Kuei were just a band of killers, that lived in the Chinese mountains. They all have the same uniform a bit varant(Lin Kin Kuei grand master). Both Sub-Zeros and Frost come from another race that could master the power of freezing powers. So ,not all Lin Kuei had freezing powers. Given the MK world ,they all had their special talents, such as the character Smoke who also worked for the Lin Kuei.

What the hell are you talking about? MK3 said they were members of the clan and Sektor and Cyrax volunteered. Smoke was captured before being automated because he and Sub-Zero didn't want to be cyborgs and abandoned the clan.

That's not what a "reboot" is. A reboot is a complete start over. For example, Batman Begins was a reboot of the Batman movies. It has no references at all to the previous films, it takes place in its own whole new world.
MK9, on the other hand, is a sequel to Armageddon and a time travel story. The term for a story that changes the past is "retcon".

The Lin Kuei originally consisted of many members both with and without special powers. Its possible that the original members were immigrants from other realms like Outworld. This would certainly explain Raidens lack of trust in the organization prior to the young Sub-Zero's takeover. But that doesn't mean the earth born members can't attain special powers by learning from others. Its been my understanding that Rain was an Outworld general of Shao Kahns forces and originally hailed from Edenia. Tremor, although his origins are unclear, was a member of Kano's gang the Black Dragon. It would be a convenient truth if Tremor was merely a Lin Kuei operative sent to infiltrate the criminal organization, but no real evidence is around to support this theory.

when u turn on mk3 and wait awhile cyrax an sectors begining bios come up an it says when they were young they were taken just because they volunteered for the cyberyzation doesnt mean the were not kidnapped

It says no such thing. Here are the Sektor and Cyrax bios that the game shows:





Now Mythologies' backstory did tell us that the Lin Kuei gain new members by kidnapping children, but it said they kidnap children WITH POWERS. There is nothing in any of the games that says whether or not Sektor and Cyrax were "normal humans" with no powers before they were automated.
And we KNOW Smoke DID have powers before he was turned into a robot because he USES them in MK2 when he's constantly making smoke come from his body.
I already covered all of the known Lin Kuei backstory in my first post. That's it. That's all.

Reboots can have a few meanings. In this case, the whole time travel aims to undo parts of the MK's storylines. Therefore, when Raiden changes something butter fly effect will happen. So the the storylines of MK1 , MK2, MK3 won't matter.

Depending on how this game ends it could complete rewrite the last few years. This game is a reboot in the since of going back in time and messing when events that are important to MK history. Change an event, then a character didn't do something , because he or she wasn't in that place of time.

All MK games are interconnected, till MK: A. The MK team is going all the way back to MK 1,and making changes, so that is pretty much a reboot for series as a whole. As I said above the end result is unknown, on how much this will effect the MK storyline as a whole. I'm pretty sure it will be huge conisdering the bad guys won at the end of MK: A.

But everything that happened BEFORE MK1 still happened. Characters' origins can't be changed, only the stuff they do from the tournament on. So for instance, Scorpion will still be a spectre, he died before MK1. Rain will still be an Edenian who works for Shao Kahn, he can't suddenly be in the Lin Kuei. Sub-Zero went to the Netherealm, met Sareena, and fought Quan Chi and Shinnok, et cetera. All that still happened. The only things that will be different are the things Raiden can change.

Therefore it's not a complete reboot.

See thats exactly the thing. In MK Mythologies it says they only kidnap kids w powers... then we got the powerless recruits... and then it says that the lin kuei have secret skills that pass from generation to generation.... so which one is it?

It's one of those inconsistencies that could be easily adressed, they could esily reconcile this.

Much like they made Edenia into a realm that was assimilated in MK5 (it was unclear whether it was outwold's former name, a part of outworld, or like a country in the realm), I think now is a good time to look back and explain the lin kuei before Subs takeover, and even before the cyborgs.

Did you read my first post?

The only time we saw powerless recruits was after Sub-Zero took over and remodeled the entire clan in Deadly Alliance.
It's NOT an inconsistency. It's an example of how he changed things. The old Lin Kuei was evil. Kidnapping is evil. Sub-Zero only takes volunteers and that means taking people who might not necessarily have any unique skills or abilities. As long as they're interested in being a ninja and defending Earthrealm, that's all that matters. Remember that he was surprised to find Frost, to learn there was someone else in the world who could do cryomancy like him.

When a realm loses Mortal Kombat , it is destoryed and or merged into outworld. Again Lin Kuei had always been a an assesin orgaization. When it comes to Edenia look at it like this.


BEFORE Shao Khan there was Dragon. Kahn killed Dragon King and took over his empire. We know that Kahn killed Kitana's parants and took over. Now it is logical to assume that Kahn merged Edenia with Outworld. Now in Deadlly Alliance it was implied through Kitana's storyline that Edenia is back seperate from outworld thanks in part of Kahns defeat in the MK3 series. In MK Deception we go to Edenia in konquest mode, all the while Outworld still out there , but both are now seperated.

To anwser your question yes Outworld and Edenia were too different places, but Kahn merged them, but now back to normal. There isn't much confusion if someone payed attention to the storyline -_-. Changing events during MK1, MK2, and MK3 series is just as bad changing the original storylines or a total reboot. What I am talking about the MK team is planning to do with this whole time travel thing. This game is based on the events of MK1 through MK3. It is logical to assume that Raiden at the end will find some way to save the day, thanks in part to "time travel". You can't have one without the other, in order to Raiden to save the day he has to make some changes. The original storylines/Bios won't be the same , if your going to have Raiden when events of past MK games. So the MK team is going to “rebirth” the series as if none of the MK games happened, so now we have Raiden with knowledge of future events trying to save the future by changing the events of past MK games.

No, no, he's referring to before Deadly Alliance came out, MK2, 3, and 4 kind of made it sound like Outworld WAS Edenia before Shao Kahn took it over. There were non-canon comics and stuff suggesting that too. Stuff where Shao Kahn had died in MK3 and Sindel had taken the throne and cleaned the realm up, and the Living Forest and places like that were in Edenia because it was just a non-wasteland version of Outworld...Goro's storyline in MK4 even ties into those ideas, having Kitana and Sindel for some reason be in charge of making peace between the Shokans and the Centaurs.
It wasn't until DA came out that we found out for certain they were two seperate realms and that Edenia had just been merged and unmerged and there was still an Outworld and Shao Kahn was still alive.

Boon said in the Kamidogu interview that the new MK isn't a reboot, and in the pure sense he's right. Even if events are changed in the new course, they still occurred from a perspective of historicity. To be a true rebirth, they would have to disregard former character origins as Marvel did with their characters.


I have a feeling this game is going to have a "Two Towers" sort of ending. Things will get worse in this game but will have a grand solution in the one thereafter.

so let me get this straight. you guys are trying to validate or justify the MK storyline of making sense? listen, at the end of the day, Ed and the team can write or rewrite the story how ever they please and call it the new canon. maybe there's just one sub-zero now. maybe there was only one pit all along. heck, maybe even goro will finally make up his mind on who the hell side he's fighting on. whatever the case, it doesn't matter if it's our game. it's THEIR ip.

already got a whole topic about that on an other thread lol.

Correct.

The story makes plenty sense. Some people just don't think it through hard enough.