Noob Saibot can still be in MK9

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Warning: Semi-Long Post.

Highly doubt the MK team will take this road in terms of Noob's characer, but this is the only logical (and probably best) way we can ensure Noob Saibot is still in MK9 in all his glory while still having both Subzeros.

Basically, we don’t know what happened to Original Sub when he was killed and sent to the Netherrealm. All we really know is that he got there, and two MK games later comes back slick and black and with new powers.

However, judging from the storylines of characters like Ashrah, Shinnok, Drahmin, etc. the Netherrealm has its way of slowly changing you the longer you stay there; it’s influence effectively slow-cooks you into a demon (same goes for reversing the process – see Ashrah.) And it would be logical to assume that the longer you’re there, the more you slip away from your physical form and become more demonic. We have a very limited view of what’s actually down there in the netherrealm, but it’s safe to say it could be almost anything dark and unholy.

So here’s what we have: Sub entered the netherrealm, probably kicked a whole lot of butt being the ruthless Chinese ninja warrior that he was, and eventually came across a being so wretchedly old, so far from his physical form from spending tens (or maybe hundreds?) of thousands of years in the netherrealm that he was effectively a dark spirit. This dark spirit, always wanting to return to physical form and wreak havoc in the realms, sees Subzero as a potential host. Subzero either agreed (being the evil guy that he is) to allow the demon to merge with him, or was slowly overcome, but either way that set in motion the transition from Subzero to the dark spectre known as Noob Saibot.

From this perspective, it’s suddenly easy for Noob to still be in MK9 without Subzero as he can effectively possess anyone, allowing them to adopt the same powers Sub-Noob has had from MK3-MKA. The only real difference between the Noob Classic we’ve always known and the New Noob is his physical appearance – he might no longer have that ninja-look, but other than that he’s still the same grim character.

What do you guys, particularly the Noob fans, think? Would this work for you in the new game? And if so, who would you like to see Noob possess and come back as if this was his story?

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•08/29/2010 05:24 AM (UTC) •

As much as I'd just prefer for the events to occur as they did in the original timeline, this could work. It seems a shame to just completely leave out the younger Sub-Zero but a drastic change like this might be interesting.

Of course I doubt there are any Noob Saibot fans who agree, and the MK team isn't ballsy or creative enough to do it anyway.

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•08/29/2010 05:28 AM (UTC) •

fedegita Wrote:
Basically, we don’t know what happened to Original Sub when he was killed and sent to the Netherrealm. All we really know is that he got there, and two MK games later comes back slick and black and with new powers.

One game later, not two. He died in MK1 and Noob Saibot's first game was MK2.

And we do actually kinda know what happened to turn him into Noob Saibot. It's implied that Quan Chi and Shinnok transformed him into slave as punishment for his actions in Mythologies. What's for certain is he's not and never has been possessed by an evil spirit, older Sub-Zero simply IS a spirit who is evil once he dies.

•08/29/2010 05:34 AM (UTC) •

^ forgot about MKII, my bad.

Where exactly is it implied that he was captured by Shinnok and Quan Chi and turned into a slave? I looked up the ending of Mythologies and it doesnt mention it

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•08/29/2010 05:38 AM (UTC) •

I kind of like the whole possession thing. It's a fresh take on Noob that would keep him from stagnating. It could set up some awesome scenes between the Subs, and best of all, involves less Quan Chi.

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•08/29/2010 06:00 AM (UTC) •

fedegita Wrote:
^ forgot about MKII, my bad.

Where exactly is it implied that he was captured by Shinnok and Quan Chi and turned into a slave? I looked up the ending of Mythologies and it doesnt mention it

I said because of the things he did in Mythologies, it's not in Mythologies. It's in Deception.

If you remember Mythologies, there's a scene where Quan Chi confronts him and tells him basically "only evil people can exist in the Netherealm, so if Raiden sent you, this is where you belong, this is where you'll go when you die. Why not join me now and save some time?" And Sub refuses and fights him and Shinnok.

After that, we know Quan and Shinnok considered Sub (and later his brother in MK4) a major enemy with the power to thwart their future plans.

It's also been basically established that Quan Chi and Shinnok are actually the ones who gave Scorpion his spectre powers and let him go to the MK1 tournament. Because they wanted Sub-Zero to die as much as Scorp did.

Then Noob's Deception bio tells us that he was a slave, he had to serve his masters, but because those masters were gone now (Quan had just been killed by Raiden's suicide), he was free to do what he wanted for once.

So if Quan/Shinnok hated Sub-Zero and had a hand in his death, and Quan/Shinnok had control of Noob's mind, and Quan/Shinnok are the ones who created Scorpion and have the power to turn dead people into undead people, it's simple connect-the-dots to figure out that Quan/Shinnok are responsible for turning Sub-Zero into Noob Saibot.

We're also told in Ashrah's ending, Noob's ending, and from Sub to Taven in Armageddon that Noob CHOOSES a life of evil. He's not under anyone's influence anymore, there's no evil spirit inside him, he IS the evil spirit. His spirit is evil.

There's also a line in Shaolin Monks where Younger Sub tells us Noob is, and I quote, "possessed by one of the Elder Gods", meaning Shinnok. But I'm not sure how worth counting that is, because Shaolin Monks isn't canon and "possessed" was a poor word choice because it's not like Shinnok literally lives in Noob's body.

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•08/29/2010 06:12 AM (UTC) •

Very well put RazorsEdge... I agree with most of it. Mainly that becoming Noob was not SZ's choice, but something that was forced upon him.

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•08/29/2010 06:20 AM (UTC) •

Well, His idea reminds me of Noob Saibot from Mortal Kombat Conquest in essence.

i need to look it up

•08/29/2010 08:09 AM (UTC) •

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:

I said because of the things he did in Mythologies, it's not in Mythologies. It's in Deception.

it's simple connect-the-dots to figure out that Quan/Shinnok are responsible for turning Sub-Zero into Noob Saibot.

Look at your previous post, you did say in mythologies, hence my confusion. Doesn't matter I get what you mean now.

That's exactly my point - the MK team have left us to supposedly "connect the dots" ourselves, which is precisely why this would be a good opportunity for them to tweak our perceptions without going against cemented canon.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:

We're also told in Ashrah's ending, Noob's ending, and from Sub to Taven in Armageddon that Noob CHOOSES a life of evil. He's not under anyone's influence anymore, there's no evil spirit inside him, he IS the evil spirit. His spirit is evil.

Granted, that doesn't mean that he couldn't have looked to some outside force to make him the way he is now. Yes, he is an evil spirit, and he chose to be that way. But the Netherrealm is a big, bad place and there's nothing saying he didn't actively choose to be influenced by forces outside of himself and Quan/Shinnok. After all, what could be more evil than allowing one's self to merge with a dark spirit?

All I'm trying to show is that we can easily add details to Noob's backstory (which is what the MK team do all the time anyway) that don't retcon any important parts to his general story while giving him the opportunity to return in some future form. Just because Sub becomes Noob, doesn't mean somebody else can't as well.

At the end of the day, it's all about how or what you perceive Noob Saibot to be, not what the MK team has fundamentally portrayed him as. And to some people, maybe Noob Saibot both is and isn't Subzero. And that in itself opens up so many doors for his future in MK.

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•08/29/2010 08:41 AM (UTC) •

Noob is blindly serving the will of Shinnok, if he still had the ability to make his own decisions we would be trying to get revenge on Scorpion. But seeing as he's never had any interaction with Scorpion in any of the storylines, it's pretty obvious he's become a slave

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•08/29/2010 10:47 AM (UTC) •

fedegita Wrote:
Look at your previous post, you did say in mythologies, hence my confusion. Doesn't matter I get what you mean now.

That's exactly my point - the MK team have left us to supposedly "connect the dots" ourselves, which is precisely why this would be a good opportunity for them to tweak our perceptions without going against cemented canon.

1) My exact words were "as punishment for his actions in Mythologies." That combination of words does not at all mean that the BIO is in Mythologies. It's good to read the whole sentence and not just skim.

2) Being possessed by an evil spirit DOES go against cemented canon because Deception beat it into our heads that once he was free of Quan Chi's control and had free will again, all of Noob's actions from that point on were his own choice. Nothing is telling Noob to be evil, that's his actual personality and he likes it that way.

3) The "details" you're trying to add don't ADD anything, they only contradict things and most importantly, make Noob Saibot a weaker character by making his powers not his own and potentially saying "well if you just seperate him from this thing possessing him then he can go back to being a Sub-Zero again!" and that's a god damned horrible idea. He's better as Noob than he ever was as Sub, and his brother is the best Sub-Zero, so we don't need two of them and he should stay the way he is. (or in the case of MK9, they shouldn't change anything from that plot.)
The doors you're trying to open up lead to bad writing. Stop trying to fix what isn't broken, you'll just break it yourself.

•08/29/2010 12:58 PM (UTC) •

oh well, agree to disagree and all that. I still think its nothing more than filling the gaps and builds him into a more complex character

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•08/29/2010 01:06 PM (UTC) •

At least the "possession" thing would explain why Sub-Zero lost his original powers and abilities when turning into a netherealm creature while Scorpion retain his name and signature abilities (plus earning netherealm skills).

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•08/29/2010 02:20 PM (UTC) •

Him being in the main character line-up....Not gunna happen.

DLC....Obvious.

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•08/29/2010 03:15 PM (UTC) •

Again, Storyline wise. I woudl rather have Calssic Subzero be killed by Scorpion via MK1. and Younger Subzero come for MK2.

Immagine the cutscene when we get to see how he actually kills subzero. Has the hairs on the back of my neck standing up. Another cinematic scene will show exactly what happened to him to become noob in a DLC?

Why not add little DLC chapters for story mode? If noob is going to be DLC, add a 5-fight story of how he was in the netherrealm and set it up for his return. A Fucking AWSOME idea if you ask me. Would pair up with him as a DLC character and give the fans some insight.

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•08/29/2010 04:26 PM (UTC) •

Lokheit Wrote:
At least the "possession" thing would explain why Sub-Zero lost his original powers and abilities when turning into a netherealm creature while Scorpion retain his name and signature abilities (plus earning netherealm skills).

Scorpion retained his "abilities" when he became undead because his abilities weren't magic. When he was alive, his only skill was throwing a knife at people.

CSZ, on the other hand, had cryomancy, which is magic, that he was born with. It was part of his DNA. So losing it when he changed from a human into a wraith kinda makes sense. His body isn't made of flesh anymore, it's made of shadow, so now he has shadow-related powers and has to rely more on his non-magical skills and ninja training, hence the shurikens all the time.

Also, he had a freeze fatality in MK4, so maybe he still has his ice powers, he just can't use them as much. On the other hand, fatalities aren't always canon, especially in MK4 where his and Goro's were all borrowed from other characters.

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•08/29/2010 07:21 PM (UTC) •

Noob had a freeze fatality?

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•08/29/2010 07:26 PM (UTC) •

Yea, when he was subzero. And I dont know if it will count for you. But subs MKSM alt was noob. and she had the ice powers. Not really a canon representation but I liked it.

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•08/29/2010 07:28 PM (UTC) •

Casselman Wrote:
Yea, when he was subzero. And I dont know if it will count for you. But subs MKSM alt was noob. and she had the ice powers. Not really a canon representation but I liked it.

No, I'm talking about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV0LYAFDSCI
In MK4, both his and Goro's finishing moves were stolen from other characters. His second was Reiko's flurry of shurikens and Goro's two were Cage's decap uppercut and Reiko's body kick.

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•08/29/2010 08:18 PM (UTC) •

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:

Casselman Wrote:
Yea, when he was subzero. And I dont know if it will count for you. But subs MKSM alt was noob. and she had the ice powers. Not really a canon representation but I liked it.

No, I'm talking about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV0LYAFDSCI

In MK4, both his and Goro's finishing moves were stolen from other characters. His second was Reiko's flurry of shurikens and Goro's two were Cage's decap uppercut and Reiko's body kick.

I can't believe I never knew about this. Was this in MK4 or only in Gold? (never had the chance to play Gold). So maybe they were panning on Noob being CSZ for a long time, I always kinda assumed they pulled it out of nowhere for Deception. It's a really bizarre choice of fatality otherwise. Edit: Just looked it up, it was in 4... I thrashed the crap out of MK4 back in the PS1 days, don't ever remember this.