Should Subzero have a teleport move?
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06/19/2010 11:51 PM EDT
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RE: Should Subzero have a teleport move?
06/19/2010 11:55 PM EDT
If Sub-Zero gets a teleport, he should also get ass fired ice missiles.
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06/19/2010 11:59 PM EDT
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If Sub-Zero gets a teleport, he should also get ass fired ice missiles.

What?! You're a crazy person! That's crazy!
Obviously it makes more sense for Kung Lao to shoot missiles out of his ass! He can spin fast and his hat is graphically shown to return to him in-game with no physical reason, but ass missiles make sense!

Obviously his hat returns from a portal to hat realm. He probably teleports through hat realm and he could just open a portal in his ass to missile realm, so...

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06/20/2010 12:02 AM EDT
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If Sub-Zero gets a teleport, he should also get ass fired ice missiles.


Obligatory 'ass missles' joke.
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06/20/2010 12:02 AM EDT
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I've got no problem with Sub-Zero teleporting. MK is a game first and foremost, and so long as a move looks cool, has some actual use, and doesn't mess up game balance, I'm all for it.


I think there's ways to give him the same type of mobility without violating the limits of his powers. I could buy a dispatched ice clone manifesting behind the opponent moreso than Subzero altering his molecular structure via magic.

Or perhaps just write it into the story. "After Subzero got the medallion/cryo-armor, he had the ability to teleport." I'd roll with it.
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06/20/2010 12:05 AM EDT
Iceman of the X-Men can turn to ice, break apart, and reform.

Why not Sub-Zero? Albeit for only a few seconds at a time is fine, that way he's not fucking broken and immortal like Iceman is.
And just for the record, since it was sorta debated on the first page...Mythologies actually quite plainly states that he pulls water vapor out of the air and turns it into ice to use his powers.
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06/20/2010 12:09 AM EDT
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Iceman of the X-Men can turn to ice, break apart, and reform.

Was never quite comfortable with that either. I know it's fantasy-fiction, but things have to pass the conceivability test.
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06/20/2010 12:11 AM EDT
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Iceman of the X-Men can turn to ice, break apart, and reform.

Was never quite comfortable with that either. I know it's fantasy-fiction, but things have to pass the conceivability test.

What? I thought people loved Chuck Austen's run!
Presumably Sub-Zero can also survive in a puddle of urine, if he finds himself obliterated during the fight.

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06/20/2010 12:12 AM EDT
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Iceman of the X-Men can turn to ice, break apart, and reform.

Was never quite comfortable with that either. I know it's fantasy-fiction, but things have to pass the conceivability test.


Well we are talking about two universes where, in one, a mutant gene in your DNA lets you turn your skin into metal or open portals to other dimensions for teleporting, or for shooting beams of pure force out of your eyes, et cetera, and in the other...everything makes slightly more sense because none of their powers come from science, they come from magic, and the whole point of magic is that it breaks the rules of physics and that's what makes it possible.

So really, Sub-Zero turning himself into ice is slightly more believable than Iceman doing it.
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06/20/2010 12:12 AM EDT
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I think there's ways to give him the same type of mobility without violating the limits of his powers.


Teleporting could just be a Lin Kuei thing and not related to his ice powers. Remember, Smoke could do it as well.

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06/20/2010 12:14 AM EDT
Smoke didn't learn to "teleport" until he became a cyborg and his body was made up of and his smoke powers were caused by clouds of millions of individual microscopic robots.
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06/20/2010 12:15 AM EDT
I mean for somebody like Wolverine, it's kinda plausible. His only real powers are enhanced senses and that his body can heal faster than others.

But Storm can control the damn weather because of her GENES? Fuck outta here with that nonsense. Nothing to do with MK...I just had to say it...
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06/20/2010 12:15 AM EDT
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TemperaryUserName Wrote:
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Iceman of the X-Men can turn to ice, break apart, and reform.

Was never quite comfortable with that either. I know it's fantasy-fiction, but things have to pass the conceivability test.

What? I thought people loved Chuck Austen's run!
Presumably Sub-Zero can also survive in a puddle of urine, if he finds himself obliterated during the fight.

Still Googling Chuck Austen. But urine puddles I get.
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I think there's ways to give him the same type of mobility without violating the limits of his powers.


Teleporting could just be a Lin Kuei thing and not related to his ice powers. Remember, Smoke could do it as well.


If that's the case, I'd be alright with the fact. I feel the story needs to explicate that, though. But also, I kind of thought "turning into Smoke" was his signature.
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Smoke didn't learn to "teleport" until he became a cyborg and his body was made up of and his smoke powers were caused by clouds of millions of individual microscopic robots.

I always figured that the nano-technology came into play in Deception, and the reason Smoke could teleport in mk3 was due to the original recollection of his powers.
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06/20/2010 12:21 AM EDT
Nothing happened to change what his cybernetics are made of between MK3 and Deception. All we know is Noob found him and turned him back on and the nanobots which were apparently already there repaired him, implying that that's always been what he's made of or at least had inside of him.

Which is odd because Sektor and Cyrax don't have any nanobots as far as we know, but then, Cyrax has bombs and nets, Sektor has missiles...each Cyborg must just be customized to have it's own armaments and nanobot clouds are Smoke's.
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06/20/2010 12:22 AM EDT
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Smoke didn't learn to "teleport" until he became a cyborg and his body was made up of and his smoke powers were caused by clouds of millions of individual microscopic robots.


Been awhile since I played Trilogy, but I coulda sworn that Human Smoke had the teleport punch.
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06/20/2010 12:24 AM EDT
I don't take Human Smoke's moves to be canon because they're just Scorpion's moves. It'd be like thinking Jade should still carry around gold fans or Reptile should be able to use the spear and freeze people.
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06/20/2010 12:31 AM EDT
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I don't take Human Smoke's moves to be canon because they're just Scorpion's moves. It'd be like thinking Jade should still carry around gold fans or Reptile should be able to use the spear and freeze people.


1. I do think that Reptile should be able to use the spear and freeze people. MK1 Reptile was the raddest thing in the series.

2. I take UMK / MKT Human Smoke to be what he was prior to his automation, so yeah. Teleportation is a Lin Kuei thing. Presumably Sektor had learned it prior to his automation as well.
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06/20/2010 12:34 AM EDT
Well we'll just have to agree to disagree on the whole MK1 Reptile/Human Smoke thing.

Temporary had a perfectly good point before though about how even when he was a human, turning into smoke was his genetic superpower, so that would be a perfectly viable explanation for his human form teleporting.
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06/20/2010 12:44 AM EDT
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What? I thought people loved Chuck Austen's run!
Presumably Sub-Zero can also survive in a puddle of urine, if he finds himself obliterated during the fight.

Still Googling Chuck Austen. But urine puddles I get.

One of the various complaints of his widely panned work on X-Men was making Ice Man's ability to reconstitute his body canon (including surviving via urine). Traditionally his body has to remain intact, he could only add to his inherent physical form. Traditionally he would never teleport through a puddle, for example.

Personally, I wouldn't like to confuse the relevance of mutant powers with martial arts mythology, though. I think the creative obligation to suspend disbelief demands some level of consistency. Elemental techniques in martial arts are ancient and widespread enough to have a subtle, acceptable tone that makes kori ice techniques, and a cryomancer's prediliction to use them, perfectly reasonable. It's consistent within it's own logics. These aren't sorcerers or broad mystics -- they're masters of one power, one technique.

Fast movements would fall into the same vat of martial arts concept, but I'm not sure teleporting does. It doesn't have tremendous precedent, or draw upon the concept of embellishing the physical. MK games have always taken license with reality to create in-game mechanics and I don't think there's any reason with leaving it at that.

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RE: Should Subzero have a teleport move?
06/20/2010 01:11 AM EDT
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RE: Should Subzero have a teleport move?
06/20/2010 01:31 AM EDT
I say no he shouldn't have a teleport move. His moves without a teleport are powerful enough.
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06/20/2010 01:32 AM EDT
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RE: Should Subzero have a teleport move?
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I mean for somebody like Wolverine, it's kinda plausible. His only real powers are enhanced senses and that his body can heal faster than others.
But Storm can control the damn weather because of her GENES? Fuck outta here with that nonsense. Nothing to do with MK...I just had to say it...

Manipulating the weather is a simple electrical/energy process. Channeling/converting emotional energy.

"Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only converted."

A lot of Mutants' gene powers seem to involve energy of some form (Manipulation/directing/transfer/conversion).

Why couldn't genes make energy conversion/transmission cells/organs/structures?

Too technological/machine like? YOU ARE A BIOLOGICAL MACHINE.

Same with being psychic, why can't genes create a brain that transmits wirelessly?

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As for Sub-Zero teleporting, it depends on his powerlevel in the story. Now what about a mobility move, like Reiko's spinning teleport or Akuma/Smoke's Toward/Away "teleport"? Have him slide past the opponent slightly in the bg, like a fakeout slide, but he goes around them without doing damage? He already does this to reposition between rounds.

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