Would you buy MK12 with Scorpion, Sub-Zero and all 3D era characters?
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Would you buy MK12 with Scorpion, Sub-Zero and all 3D era characters?
02/08/2019 06:00 AM EST

1. Scorpion

2. Sub-Zero (Bi-Han)

3. Rain (cause he has been the only one screwed by the new games' main rosters and he can't even be DLC anymore for MK11)

4. Fujin (takes on Protector mantle from Raiden)

5. Reiko

6. Tanya

7. Quan Chi

8. Shinnok

9. Cyber Jarek

10. Kenshi

11. Li Mei

12. Bo'Rai Cho

13. Drahmin

14. Moloch

15. Frost

16. Hsu Hao

17. Mavado

18. Havik

19. Hotaru

20. Dairou

21. Darrius

22. Kira

23. Kobra

24. Ashrah

25. Nitara

26. Daegon

27. Taven

28. Sareena

29. new (Enenra)

30. new

31. new

32. Pre-order: The Dragon King Onaga

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02/26/2019 10:17 AM EST

I mean, I'll be a MK game no matter what. And while most of these characters don't spark too much joy, i can't pretend that I didn't play as them a lot in the 3D era games. So, yes.

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02/27/2019 12:07 AM EST

dude mk 11 has not even dropped yet and your already talking about mk 12 wich is like what 4 years away? nobody knows what the dlc is for 11. for all you know some of the 3d era kharachters may be it . im expecting at least 2 guests so that would leave 4 spots open for mk

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02/28/2019 08:04 AM EST
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dude mk 11 has not even dropped yet and your already talking about mk 12 wich is like what 4 years away? nobody knows what the dlc is for 11. for all you know some of the 3d era kharachters may be it . im expecting at least 2 guests so that would leave 4 spots open for mk

Yeah, because we pretty much know this roster and I freaking hate this roster with Jacqui, Sonya, Kano. I really wish they'd move on to other charcaters we haven't seen since 2007. I mean, we've been waiting 12 years for Fujin and they're giving us Kano again? And Sonya?? Just retire them already, Sonya and Jacqui and the SF are so obnoxious

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02/28/2019 02:47 PM EST

If it would be a complete recap of Deception then yes I would buy it.

But not for a MK12, there are to many missing characters from the new timeline.

MK12 should realy focus on the future

But I love your Idea!!

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03/01/2019 02:27 PM EST
03/01/2019 02:30 PM EST

I've given every MK a go (even MK Special Forces and MKvsDCU) so yes probably. But it would be pretty much a novelty game with little to no overarching plot as with that batch of characters you'd have a bunch of extremely minor sub-plots but no real purpose to it. Also all but like 13 or 14 (arguably) on that roster would need to be COMPLETELY redone and be a literally brand NEW Character but with a name of a character from the past. Which I've gathered is basically what you want. A game with like 15-17 brand new characters but with names from the 3d age slapped on them so we can pretend those characters got a second shot.

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03/02/2019 02:08 PM EST

@Bloodfang On the contrary, I think those characters have wonderful and unique stories, unlike the Special Forces of Earthrealm, you could do a lot with them.

Just with the Sons of Argus, Daegon, Rain and Taven, you could have a wonderful story told about Edenia.

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03/02/2019 10:04 PM EST

I would love to dive back into the story of Deadly Alliance and Deception in today's technology. However, I was not really a fan of Armageddon's story. So if we had a game with MKDA-MKD's roster, yes I would buy it.


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RE: Would you buy MK12 with Scorpion, Sub-Zero and all 3D era characters?
03/02/2019 11:21 PM EST
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@Bloodfang On the contrary, I think those characters have wonderful and unique stories, unlike the Special Forces of Earthrealm, you could do a lot with them.

Just with the Sons of Argus, Daegon, Rain and Taven, you could have a wonderful story told about Edenia.

Ok. Let me start by saying that an Edenia-centric story would be great and I'd be all for it. Unfortunately out of the 30 character roster you named only 4 (Rain, Tanya, Daegon, and Taven) have ANY ties to Edenia what-so-ever. So a fully Edenia-centric plot would not really include the other 26 but WOULD require Kitana, Sindel, Jade, maybe Ermac (because of Jerrod being in there somewhere), arguably Mileena (??), and probably its conqueror Emperor Shao Kahn (All classic characters). Most of the people on your list of desired roster are a hodge-podge of Earth(lots), Order/Chaos Realm (like a whoping 4!, lol), Outworld (lots), or Netherrealm (some) with no real connection among those sub-plots. The connection between those minor plots largely fell on the shoulders of the Classic characters to form them. Could it be done without them? Sure. Absolutely. BUT knowing the past plot like we do, it would arguably be very obvious that it was stitched together and trying WAY WAY too hard to leave out the OG characters just to cobble together a story deliberately using ONLY 3D-era characters + Scorpion/Sub-Zero (for reasons??, lol?).

As for the characters proposed themselves, GAMEPLAY was what I meant when I said almost all of them would need to be overhauled to the point of being actually NEW characters with previously used names. Their stories are MOSTLY salvageable but hot damn do most of them need a COMPLETE visual/gameplay overhaul. At least by majority opinion.

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03/03/2019 03:48 PM EST

@Bloodfang How about this for an Edenia story:

https://www.trmk.org/forums/showthread.php/31208-Mortal-Kombat-storyline-respecting-the-entire-known-canon

Would you be content with the characters here?

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03/03/2019 05:45 PM EST
03/04/2019 09:11 AM EST

Cyber Jerek? Haaaaa

Based on what some fans were saying they'd love a roster like this. To me it sounds like Mortal Kombat in name only though. I probably wouldn't want that game. I think MK kind of lost its identity for a while when it went to home console; a lot of the character designs were weird, personalities were uninteresting, and the mythos was taken in weird directions. While some characters represented an expansion of the previously established mythos, others represented entirely new plot strings that felt kind of out of place. I think Deception was the biggest mixed bag, where most of the new characters felt like side characters that were just made for Shujinko to encounter in Konquest mode.

Overall, I think the series getting back to its roots in MK9 was the best thing it could have done. There are a few 3D-era characters I wouldn't mind seeing again; the MK4 crew, Li Mei, Kenshi, Frost, Bo Rai Cho, Havik, and Ashrah are among them. However to completely dump the classic characters and include all of the 3D era characters well-received or otherwise just doesn't seem like a good thing to me.

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03/03/2019 09:14 PM EST
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@Bloodfang How about this for an Edenia story:

https://www.trmk.org/forums/showthread.php/31208-Mortal-Kombat-storyline-respecting-the-entire-known-canon

Would you be content with the characters here?

Sorry in advance for the length of this. It was actually not bad for the most part. I'd miss Cage if that was a roster but overall with Scorpion and Kitana there plus a reinvented Havik and Drahmin I'd be down with it. Havik and Drahmin, I thought looked really cool and visually/storywise were both completely solid but simply needed a new moveset to be all they could be. I'm confident the new NRS team could pull it off. Not sure why Drahmin gets Hsu Hao level hate undeservedly but he does so this is an unlikely pipe dream. Most of your fanfic I liked. You managed to give your chosen main characters (Daegon and Taven) some actual... well... character. Same for Rain.

My negatives... I don't like the direction with Kitana. I understand that you made the brothers the main characters and it makes sense for them to have the best achievable love interest possible, lol. And yes it does make sense for a 10,000 beauty to have had prior lovers to Liu. But I dunno. I just didn't like her with them, sorry. Especially with the canon relationship with Liu (who sadly if you are making a roster to go into modern times, he must be included). Liu and Kitana work out because being Champion of Mortal Kombat makes Liu STOP aging and thus immortal so he can defend his title in the next tournament as they are only held once every generation. Goro had won 9 in 500 yrs mind you so with it being the 10th that's every 50 years. The Champ is made ageless for this reason. Because Liu has yet to defend his title in a true blessed by the Elder Gods tournament he still is ageless hence how he and Kitana can work out and in MK4 she asks him to rule at her side.

That said, my BIGGEST complaint is the rape of Kitana. PLEASE do not "Women in Refridgerators Syndrome" Kitana. If Kahn did rape anyone it was probably poor Sindel and was probably one of many reasons she canonically committed suicide. Kitana doesn't have rape in her backstory and doesn't need it. Being brainwashed every so often to keep her under the disillusion that Mileena is her twin sister, that Kahn is her actual father and she is loyal to him was evil enough already (OG timeline... tragically removed in this one). She doesn't need to be pregnant either but I agree with your reason that she's 10000 yrs old and has no record of children or lovers, lol.

Other than the Kitana bits, I did think it was pretty well done overall and the roster is servicable but I would argue Liu is an important omisssion giving the canon and the inclusion of MK4s effect on Edenia with Tanya betraying it to Shinnok/Quan Chi.

Hopefully you find this critique less inflamatory than previous ones as it is legit meant to not offend its just my stubborn opinion, lol. You asked.

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RE: Would you buy MK12 with Scorpion, Sub-Zero and all 3D era characters?
03/10/2019 05:28 AM EST
03/10/2019 11:32 AM EST

@Bloodfang

Bloodfang

Most of your fanfic I liked. You managed to give your chosen main characters (Daegon and Taven) some actual... well... character. Same for Rain.

Thank you.

My negatives... I don't like the direction with Kitana. I understand that you made the brothers the main characters and it makes sense for them to have the best achievable love interest possible, lol. And yes it does make sense for a 10,000 beauty to have had prior lovers to Liu.

I was going for more like 5-6 main characters: Kitana, Daegon, Taven, Shao Kahn, King Jerrod, Rain, Quan Chi, Jade...

That said, my BIGGEST complaint is the rape of Kitana. PLEASE do not "Women in Refridgerators Syndrome" Kitana. If Kahn did rape anyone it was probably poor Sindel and was probably one of many reasons she canonically committed suicide. Kitana doesn't have rape in her backstory and doesn't need it. Being brainwashed every so often to keep her under the disillusion that Mileena is her twin sister, that Kahn is her actual father and she is loyal to him was evil enough already (OG timeline... tragically removed in this one). She doesn't need to be pregnant either but I agree with your reason that she's 10000 yrs old and has no record of children or lovers, lol.

I know the Kitana rape part is hard to swallow and downright disgusting for some, but it is a more realistic and grounded representation of what Shao Kahn actually was. And wht hasn;t Shao Kahn actualy touched her and made a slave in 10.000 years, as we've seen sexual women slaves tied up in his Arena? What made him treat Kitana like his own daughter? There was nothing stopping him from actually taking her. I think it is time that MK gets that more realistic feeling. And besides, if you read the story until the end, you see young Kitana overcoming even the biggest tragedy and her first stept in becoming a leader for her people and a skilled fighter. She also finds the strength to forgive as she also comes to terms with her own wrongdoings. She is nothing more than a young child here or a yong adult, she has yet much to learn, she is vulnerable and foolish sometimes, but she has a kind heart, shows initiative leaving her home and looking for allies across the realms, she even softens Shao Kahn's heart.

And like you said, she is 10.000 years, it would be normal if she did have previous loves and children in this time. 1 question: who do you think I meant the baby's father to be? Shao Kahn? Taven? Daegon?

Other than the Kitana bits, I did think it was pretty well done overall and the roster is servicable but I would argue Liu is an important omisssion giving the canon and the inclusion of MK4s effect on Edenia with Tanya betraying it to Shinnok/Quan Chi.

I'd love for Liu Kang to be there, but this was 10.000 years ago.

Hopefully you find this critique less inflamatory than previous ones as it is legit meant to not offend its just my stubborn opinion, lol. You asked.

Sure, man, thank you for your time. I don;t even remember, did we argue or something? I don;t look at the other users' names when I reply, so it was really nothing personal. I think I just said my peace if I replied to smtg you said. Sorry if I came across too strong or something. Apologies

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RE: Would you buy MK12 with Scorpion, Sub-Zero and all 3D era characters?
03/26/2019 05:11 AM EST

Ok, Rain Sareena, Shinnok Quan Chi and Fujin are NOT 3D era characters.

This looks like "Mortal kombat: the botched who deserve a second chance".

Why Hsu Hao?

Also why Cyber Jarek?

To answer your question, yes I would buy it, but will I enjoy it I bought MK Special Forces too.. That doesn't mean I enjoyed that...

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05/19/2019 02:19 AM EST

A lot of the 3D era characters were scrapped because they weren't very effective or received well. My instinct is to pass on this idea, but hell, it'd be something interesting. I think you'd probably need to expand the core to include Raiden, Liu Kang and Kitana. But with those five, I think you can make up a roster of whoever you want, provided the game plays like a somewhat balanced fighter.

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