Are some of the MK9 ladder ending are canon?
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Are some of the MK9 ladder ending are canon?
03/15/2015 09:25 PM EST
Are some of the MK9 arcade ladder endings canon? More specifly, Sub-zero's. In MKX it appears that Scorps and Subs are allies. So what else might be canon? Well, i'd love to see Noob's ending become true with him and Havik concuring the realms. But anyway, what other endings do you think might be canon?
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03/15/2015 09:29 PM EST
The majority can't be canon or at least fully canon since Raiden is the one who defeated Shao Kahn, so every ending about defeating Kahn is already untrue. Also several characters died in story mode, Sub-Zero being one of them, so I don't see how those can be canon either.
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03/15/2015 09:30 PM EST
None of them are canon. Although sometimes, when writing the next story, they take ideas from the endings and use them.
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03/15/2015 09:36 PM EST
No because only Raiden defeated Kahn, but like somebody above said, sometimes elements from peoples non canon endings are used in the next games.
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03/15/2015 10:21 PM EST
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None of them are canon. Although sometimes, when writing the next story, they take ideas from the endings and use them.


I wish they used jade's
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03/15/2015 10:35 PM EST
I think they're all non-canon but some have some hints at things to come in future; like Raiden's ending and it showing 2 male & 2 female new fighters for Earthrealm, which is exactly what we've got in Kung Jin, Takeda, Cassie & Jacqui for MK X.

I have a feeling Noob's may be partly-canon as well, the stage shown in his MK9 ending looks almost identical to the Crossroads stage in MK X. As is the part in Mileena's about her wanting to claim Outworld's throne, we know that bit became canon.

Smoke's must be canon because it's been mentioned he appears in the MK X story & that he refers to himself as being an Enera (not sure if I spelled that correctly). Others I'm not sure about, but I'd like Liu's to be canon, just because I prefer that idea of Liu more than the Liu Kang of the past.
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03/15/2015 11:41 PM EST
Personally I hated the way MK9 was structured in that regard...

Pretty much all of the endings were immediately rendered non-canon because most if not all of them relied on the idea that the character killed Kahn... wheras we already knew from story mode that none of these characters killed Kahn (and half died themselves)...

I really liked the way MKD and MKA were structured better, in that... Story Mode (or Konquest as it were) basically led UP TO the arcade ladder story. The Arcade ladder stories of those games took place AFTER Konquest mode. Konquest mostly just established the overall plot, and brought the villain into power, leading into Arcade mode... Meaning it was still anybody's game to win.

MKD's Konquest just leads to Onaga's rise, and then arcade handles the story of why/how each individual character challenged him (or helped him) after that rise.

I think MKA's konquest did actually end with Taven defeating Blaze, but barring that detail... it still roughly led to the arcade ladder story. The arcade ladder starts at the big pyramid fight, basically. And the endings reflect THAT character winning the pyramid brawl.

Wheras in MK9 it was like, "Why do I care about the arcade stories? I already know they have no bearing on the plot."

I want MKX's story to lead all the way up to the final boss/final conflict, and then let Arcade Mode deal with the characters actually defeating the boss and ending the conflct.
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03/16/2015 07:29 AM EST
Like most I don't think any are really canon however some hint at or take characters in others directions like raidens, smokes, mileenas and hopefilly noobs as well! With Haviks inclusion in the comics it is looking more and more likely that Noobs ending might be somewhat canon. I also think that subs ending will come true and him and scorpion will team up and kick some arse in mkx
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03/16/2015 08:26 AM EST
Arcade endings tend to be semi-cannon. They've always been. And they've always been about the character beating the big bad. Just because MK9 made it explicitly clear Raiden beat Shao Kahn, it doesn't discreet the others. Besides the part about killing Shao Kahn, if the rest of the ending is unrelated, it's still possibly cannon.

Then again, half the roster is definitely not cannon because of the massive death strike at the end of MK9. But maybe Sheeva decided to turn good and gained Australia for real? She never died. Maybe Sektor killed the Grandmaster for real.
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03/16/2015 09:01 AM EST
Some might be partially canon.

Sheeva's is looking that way, with that panel from the comics of Kano stabbing a Shokan in a very Terran bar.

Those of Sektor and Cyrax may very well be, as they haven't been contradicted at all, so far.

Those of Smoke and Kung Lao revealed something new about them. There's no reason the Enenra demon, and Kung Lao being the re-incarnation of his ancestor, couldn't stick, even if they didn't kill Shao Kahn.

Even though he didn't become the dominant personality within Ermac, King Jerrod's soul might very well be in him (Ermac).

The mystery woman in Jade's ending might still factor in MKX's story, even if Jade isn't around.

Sonya's is essentially canon, imo, save perhaps for the part about her father's ghost.

I hope we get more details about the Shokan (those that followed Sheeva) migrating to Earth in the comics and/or MKX's story mode.
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03/16/2015 09:16 AM EST
Actually other than defeating Shao Kahn some of the endings are sort of canon and they are using some of the scenes to play it out in this new game. Ed posted something like this months ago but I guess it got lost with everything else he posted in the past.grin
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03/16/2015 09:45 AM EST
I'd like to think there will end up being bits of truth in them. I'm wondering if Noob and Havik still form that alliance (people have deconfirmed Noob, I know, but NRS themselves have not). Also wondering if Quan Chi uses Shao Kahn as a revenant.

But anywho, in past games (MK9 excluded until we know for sure), there was always an ending or two that foreshadowed what's to come in the next game.

Reptile's MKDA ending>return of the Dragon King

Ermac's MKD ending>foreshadows Armageddon -

"He sensed, however, that an ominous force still shaped the destiny of the realms. It was everywhere. He could feel its influence on Onaga, though the Dragon King was oblivious to its manipulation. Time was running out. Ermac feared the celebration of this latest victory would be short-lived."

Havik's ending is also a bit worrisome, although we have yet to be given any kind of information that Onaga is still around...or is coming back. In his ending, Havik "vowed to restore the Chaos that once ravaged Outworld. Shao Kahn would rule again!"

And that very scenario of Havik consuming Onaga's heart is mentioned in Kabal's ending as well. Giving it a bit more weight.

Overall though, anything is really possible at this point. We already know that they haven't completely tossed these games out the window, and it makes for some fun speculation!
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03/16/2015 09:48 AM EST
They aren't canon perse but some of them reveal canon stuff about some characters (Jerrod inside Ermac, Smoke's origins...) and others hint at the direction the plot could take (Raiden's 4 champions now being the 4 newcommers from the SF, Liu Kang has been seen with what looks like his fire god outfit...).
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03/16/2015 10:05 AM EST
The only thing canon about the endings are the bits and pieces of exposition and character lore within them.

Other than that. None. Absolutely none of the arcade endings are canon aside from Sektors. Conradulations everyone. We wasted our time. Not that we didn't know that.

Fuck I miss the pre story mode days where we could piece together what ones happened and what ones likely didn't and the story was sprinkled about through the game via lore cards, character bios and conquest mode.

Of course there is an easy way to make the arcade endings all canon NRS. MAKE THEM ALL EPILOGUES FOR THE CHARACTERS POST STORY MODE!

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Personally I hated the way MK9 was structured in that regard...

Pretty much all of the endings were immediately rendered non-canon because most if not all of them relied on the idea that the character killed Kahn... wheras we already knew from story mode that none of these characters killed Kahn (and half died themselves)...

I really liked the way MKD and MKA were structured better, in that... Story Mode (or Konquest as it were) basically led UP TO the arcade ladder story. The Arcade ladder stories of those games took place AFTER Konquest mode. Konquest mostly just established the overall plot, and brought the villain into power, leading into Arcade mode... Meaning it was still anybody's game to win.

MKD's Konquest just leads to Onaga's rise, and then arcade handles the story of why/how each individual character challenged him (or helped him) after that rise.

I think MKA's konquest did actually end with Taven defeating Blaze, but barring that detail... it still roughly led to the arcade ladder story. The arcade ladder starts at the big pyramid fight, basically. And the endings reflect THAT character winning the pyramid brawl.

Wheras in MK9 it was like, "Why do I care about the arcade stories? I already know they have no bearing on the plot."

I want MKX's story to lead all the way up to the final boss/final conflict, and then let Arcade Mode deal with the characters actually defeating the boss and ending the conflct.

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03/16/2015 11:07 AM EST
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None of them are canon. Although sometimes, when writing the next story, they take ideas from the endings and use them.


I agree, some endings looked like dropped ideas for a sequels' plot. Maybe some endings (bits of them) will be acknowledged in MKX and become canon.
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03/16/2015 11:53 AM EST
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Arcade endings tend to be semi-cannon. They've always been. And they've always been about the character beating the big bad. Just because MK9 made it explicitly clear Raiden beat Shao Kahn, it doesn't discreet the others. Besides the part about killing Shao Kahn, if the rest of the ending is unrelated, it's still possibly cannon.

Then again, half the roster is definitely not cannon because of the massive death strike at the end of MK9. But maybe Sheeva decided to turn good and gained Australia for real? She never died. Maybe Sektor killed the Grandmaster for real.


Not really. It started in MK:4 and ramped up in MK:DA, where the endings had little to do with defeating the big bad. Although some were still like 'after the defeat of...' it wasn't about the consequences of your character being the one to defeat them, that's just their position in the story. Endings started to be about developing the character and creating subplots with other characters. In DA, Reptile, Nitara, and Cyrax of all people had their own little triangle going on. Frost was caught up with Sub-Zero and Scorpion was caught up with Moloch and Drahmin. Noob's ending in MK:D was the big Sub-Zero reveal with has nothing to do with Onaga. Of course partially canon is still a thing but it still sucks that endings were anchored to defeating Shao Kahn.
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03/21/2015 01:01 PM EST
MKDC's endings followed the events of story mode. Hopefully X does the same.
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03/21/2015 01:11 PM EST
i am wondering about Sonya and her father.
Why such an ending....
I wanna know more about her father.

Maybe another character is her former father ?
Maybe the soul of her father is in Ermac ?
I really don't know.