okay, I made a mistake there, not the baggyness is whats wrong, but the position of the wearing: those pants are waay down (whats the point in showing your underwear out? it worked for Madonna but for adult men?)
especially if they aren't fixed to a belt, but what irritates me mostly is that you can easily stomp on the remaining end of your pants hanging almost under your heel.

Street fighting is indeed self taught mostly, and yes, it can be very effective. However to achieve victory over a well trained and focused martial artist is very dificult even for a treet fighter, but more likely to be possible, than for the average brawler. However, it is still harder than for another martial artists. There are exceptions, but a street brawler needs extraordinary perception and focus, what may be less common amongst them.

The real and full ninjutsu of Togakure ninpo wasn't truly introduced untill the late end of 90's, so that may have been an american variant construc-ted mainly from jujitsu, tameshiwari, koppujutsu, and several goshin sty-les. it may have been effective, but it's not ninjutsu. Infact, american ninja stiles aren't really associated (save for the exception) with togakure or styles. Ask deadlycobra26 about it, if he is still around.
Killing 7 people? So what? That could have been achieved by almost every style, let it be Aikido or greco-roman wrestling. it doesn't prove anything. To further understate my reasoning here is this:

The History of Ninjutsu Ninjutsu began more than 800 years ago among the ninja people living in Japan. The warrior class which ruled Japan at the time were called the Samurai. They controlled the land and it's people. Their lord, the Shogun, was the only person the Samurai was answerable to. The ordinary peasant served the warriors every whim. A peasant could never strike a Samurai. If he did, it would mean his life.

The ninja would not serve the Samurai, and fled to the barren, cold, mountainous regions of Iga and Koga. There they trained in the arts of war. It is said that their art is based upon a great Chinese military text written by a general named Sun Tzu, The Art of War.

Over the centuries the ninja (word meaning 'stealers-in') trained from the cradle to the grave in every known martial art. Their forte was espionage and assassination, by any means possible. But their training also taught them to reach spiritual heights, by pushing their bodies and minds to limits far beyond that of normal human endurance.

Training for a ninja began almost as soon as he could walk. Childhood games were designed to inculcate expertise in unarmed combat, swordwork, weaponry, camouflage, escape and evasion. In time, the ninja warriors came to be feared throughout Japan. Even the mighty Samaurai looked over his shoulder if a ninja was known to be in the area.

Over the centuries, while ninjutsu was being practiced in secrecy, no one knew anything about the art except the ninjas themselves. When Japan emerged into the modern era, and feudalism collapsed, the ninja were absorbed into Japan's secret service and special services groups.

The martial arts boom of the 1970's saw two men searching for something different. Doron Navon and Stephen Hayes found a ninjutsu headmaster living in Japan who came from an unbroken line of ninja instructors dating back almost 800 years. The art was then brought to the western World.

When speaking of Ninja, the image of a black clad assassin disappearing in a cloud of smoke is what comes to mind. This distortion has nothing to do with the reality of studying Ninjutsu, or "Ninpo" in its highest order. Ninpo is a traditional Japanese bujutsu martial art with a rich and viable history that stretches back over ten centuries.

Developed as a highly illegal counterculture to the ruling samurai warrior class, Ninpo still flourishes today under the direct guidance of Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi,34th grandmaster of the Togakure Ryu Ninjutsu tradition and eight other budo traditions. Dr. Hatsumi is the last variable true Ninja grandmaster having a direct line of decent from feudal Japan

I love hiphop but this is a really stupid idea, I rather have jax in some military clothing.

my point was that people with the "hip hop attitude" can receive training in inner peace type fighting stlyes. and again, though wearing pants low restricts movement, it helps direct force into mid-kicks (not too low, though. even THEY pull up their pants a little before a fight)
PS- thanks for the history lesson. lol

are we talking about common tai chi, or the more adwanced internality of gong-fu? Becouse people who devote their lives to that won't dwell in the kind of material things such like hip hop. Especially they won't abuse their own language with ghetto talk. Guess why? Becouse some of the hsing yi Quan teachers won't teach or guide their students, if they do not master literal expertise. Another thing, is that you CANNOT FOCUS on two different things. The rap living is the direct contradiction of a martial artists, which in this case, has nothing to do with inner peace. Inner peace can be reached through faith, fervor, relaxational exercises, and so on. But he wil not be a martial artist if he devotes his life to the study of martial mentality.

Not to mention, martial artists of worthwhile styles (streching from Muay thay to she quan, through even savate) can't adwance by autodidactic training, meaning they are dependant on masters. And which master would be kind enough to train him if he finds his attitude alien and distur-bing? Not to mention that the master wil likely force him to choose between the two things.

if there could be rappers who are true martial artists, we would have heard from them now. And we haven't. The two don't fit. Don't mix and overall two bipolaric things to phatom. You misunderstood me dearly, it's not about the clothes, nor the looks, or the willing to learn...


This can be almost judged as an axiome.

But don't depend on my prespective only.

have you ever seen the movie "ghost dog"? it was about a person in the street lifestyle who trained in the ways of the samurai (and he worked for the mafia. weird storyline, but a good movie nonetheless). my point is that if you are in the rapper lifestyle, it doesn't mean that you have material desires.

But that person had to give up all distracting factors.

He was interested in the bushido, but not trained in it, nor in iharacu. Those are two completely different things. You can live by a code of honor, train yourself as much as you like, there are paths tha you cannot walk without being "reborn" into it. That means being reborn, giving up everything for it. There is no middle way. For example, you may live in the ghetto, listen to rap music. This point is still valid. You can either:

-try martial arts whith a rapper career of lifestyle, becoming someone who can defend himself pretty well, or..
-devote yourself completely to the given art, adapting it's ways, becoming a kind of person like the arts original practicioners. Like becoming -sar-casm intended- the stereotype pacifists who were it's masters. (there is the truth).

I can't imagine someone who promotes street violence, material gain, woman abusement, ghetto racism and all those well hidden and sublimi-nal trash being an internal and full practitioner of a eastern style, let it be simple karate or muay thay. there is no middle way, and no compromises can be made.

P.S: the movie was trash, it portrayed the "supposedly" bushido teachings and phylosophy quite badly. the whole movie was wrong, though some of the core points were valid.

I think you're taking this too seriously Chrome. What are egotistical guys like Johnny Cage doing in MK if perfecting oneself in martial arts is all about attaining inner peace, detachment and spiritual enlightment? This is Mortal Kombat, not a Buddhist monastery. Remember also that there is a lot of contradiction between the evil doings and nature of people like Quan Chi, Shang Tsung, Mavado, etc, despite their mastery of martial arts.

That said, I still think modern subcultures and lifestyles that are essentially superficial and fleeting shouldn't be imported into MK. As such, a hip hop character is a terrible idea.

Cheers,
VQ

For example how do you know that cage is egoistical? I think cage is indeed well developed. His acting should be kinda like Spidermans, who hides his fears and dread with his constant funny talk. I think Johnny Cage plays intentionally the spoiled american movie star to confuse his oppo-nents. (Johnny, as we know, was trained by the best masters, ergo he can't be seriously the arrogant and dumb celebrity he tries to show himself-kinda like the playboy Bruce Wayne, and his other side Batman)
Conclusion:

it is okay (?) if the martial artist becomes a celebrity, but for the celebrity to become a martial artist (of thatparticular level) is nearly impossible.

And that is the point. if the ghetto struggler takes up the mantle and lives a quiet self restraining life of bushido, or any other particular choice, it shall become something greater...

But when the material-gain driven rapper who "raps" all day and devotes himself to the hiphopper scene tries the same, it won't lead nowhere untill he decides whioch one he shall give up.

so, what is wrong with what you just said; a selfless street thug who gave up all distracting factors and became a martial artist?

yall are wrong.
at least 1 hip hop artist should be on mk. ganksta nip. known for his rapsong called videogames look it up on a music search. ill quote his 1st verse. "put in a quarter now its time for a slaughter, I can move my joystick and watch him murder his daughter. psycopath liu kang, hell leave u for dead, and mortal kombat will let u cut off arms and legs and hands.now its a challenge, even if your enemies bigger, fatality means u get to finish a nigga."and it goe on. "put the quarter in now your on yo way, push 1 player then you start to play, u must keep it real when your tryin to win, game over nigga u can play it again" ok now ganksta nip and mk need to get in touch somehow.and let g- nip decide how he wants his char to look, be played, and created.

now thats what I call unnecessary and intentional lack of intelligence in one post. Voila, dumbass bass knocks on the door...

seriously people, you want a coherent game, or a promoted media junk that sates your temporary tastes? Probably the first. At least i do hop so.

P.S: that one in particular MolochMonsta is not a rapper, but a man who perhaps listens to rap. Those who work in a real ghetto (slums, Warsawa) don't have times for petty showoff acts.