New heroes for MKX
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posted10/23/2014 11:29 AM (UTC)by
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Immortal_Kanji
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12/06/2010 07:41 PM (UTC)
With all the heroes gone in the Netherrealm, Cassie will be taking over.

And Liu, Johnny & Sonya are rumored to be confirmed in the game. But its still unknown.

Anybody ideas on bringing out new heroes into MKX?
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krajax
09/29/2014 12:23 AM (UTC)
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Outworld defects, random black people like Kai on the street, Karate Kid-like wannabes, some other Special Forces personnel...I've ran out of clichéd replacements
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Lord_Greyjoy
09/29/2014 12:38 AM (UTC)
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If Liu Kang comes back, I don't think he'll be helping the heroes.

Raiden, Fujin, Sonya, Johnny, Cassie, Bo' Rai Cho are all very likely.

Havik, Kenshi, Ashrah, Sareena, Li Mei and Kai are possibilities.

Some of the unrevealed new characters are bound to be good guys as well.
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LordSkarlet
09/29/2014 12:38 AM (UTC)
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I think before all is said and done D'Vorah will become a new hero.
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KungLaodoesntsuck
09/29/2014 12:41 AM (UTC)
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Fujin is the one who comes to mind.
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krajax
09/29/2014 01:09 AM (UTC)
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NO D'VORAH! Don't take the same feminine redemption route as Kitana and Jade did! You might be...(gasp) KILLED by ridiculous circumstances! So much for her being in MK11 :B
Lord_Greyjoy Wrote:
If Liu Kang comes back, I don't think he'll be helping the heroes.

Raiden, Fujin, Sonya, Johnny, Cassie, Bo' Rai Cho are all very likely.

Havik, Kenshi, Ashrah, Sareena, Li Mei and Kai are possibilities.

Some of the unrevealed new characters are bound to be good guys as well.


I'd agree with all of this except Ashrah and Li Mei seem like low possibilities now.
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DarkenedSoul
09/29/2014 01:44 AM (UTC)
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Yeah...I don't think Liu will be amongst the heroes, as he has a beef with Raiden. That is if Liu is alive.

As for heroes: Kai, Fujin, Cassie and at least two more new.
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Omegali2422
09/29/2014 02:43 AM (UTC)
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Well it's going to take 25 years or so before we see Cassie Cage come about and, I would imagine, become Earthrealm's mortal protector. Until that happens, Raiden will need immediate warriors to defend the realm. Obviously both Johnny Cage and Sonya Blade survived after MK 2011, so they will be around (for how long, who knows). I would imagine we'd see Kai and Fujin make appearances, but two characters I've noticed haven't been much at all on the forums that I think would be interesting in this upcoming timeline: Bo Rai Cho and Kenshi.

Bo Rai Cho trained Liu Kang, and has been seen as an ally of Earthrealm even though he resides in Outworld. Me thinks with the Nether Realm's impending invasion on all the realms (Outworld, Earth and Edenia), we'll see Bo Rai Cho side with the forces against the Nether Realm and will help train folks like Kai, Cassie Cage, and Kenshi.

Kenshi, as I mentioned before, would be someone I could see play a big part in the game. Yeah, Shang Tsung appeared to have died after Shao Kahn sucked all the power from him, but that doesn't mean Kenshi would just call it a day and fade into the horizon. He would join Earthrealm's fight against the invading Nether Realm armies.

By the way, even with Kung Lao, Jax, Stryker, Kabal, and Nightwolf dead, to have immediate fighters like Johnny Cage, Sonya Blade, Kai, Kenshi, and Bo Rai Cho still around on the Earth side ain't totally bad.

Of course, none of them are Liu Kang, and no matter how much training, it won't be enough time to stop Shinnok's forces. Which is why I believe (SPOILER ALERT), Raiden will be desperate and just like in the previous timeline, will attempt to resurrect Liu Kang's corpse to defeat Shinnok. Kang defeats Shinnok, but immediately turns on Raiden to exact revenge for originally killing him. Johnny Cage and Sonya (after giving birth to Cassie) intervene, but Kang kills both of them before Raiden finally subdues Kang (again.) Fujin arrives, and sees the bodies of Kang, Sonya and Cage beside Raiden and suspects the worst. Fujin calls an audience with the elder gods, and they revoke Raiden of his god-like powers for his decisions that ultimately led to the deaths of so many of Earthrealms warriors, and he is banished to the Nether Realm (...yeah, I think Raiden will become the new big bad). Oh, and Raiden forges an alliance with Quan Chi to take revenge on the Elder Gods and that he can be restored as a god.

Of course, I'm sure the game's creators will take the upcoming game's storyline in a completely different direction with just as many, if not more significant shocking twist and turns in the plot line.
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Tazer_Gunshot
09/29/2014 11:28 AM (UTC)
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Raiden is already revealed, so it won't be him as the big bad. Maybe if he had died by the hands of Liu Kang, then banned to the Netherrealm and arose evil.
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thisiscourage
09/29/2014 04:41 PM (UTC)
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DarkenedSoul Wrote:
Yeah...I don't think Liu will be amongst the heroes, as he has a beef with Raiden. That is if Liu is alive.


Not to mention if Liu is back for MKX and is on the good side then NRS would have neglected a great chance to revamp Liu's story arch.

Liu should definitely come back as a bad or neutral aligned character; or at the very least good but against raiden. (in that case their would be 2 good sides)

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DjangoDrag
09/29/2014 06:41 PM (UTC)
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We dont need "heroes." Having "heroes" implies a good vs evil storyline. Juvenile. This is a great time for NRS to steer away from simplistic storytelling. Raiden is untrustworthy and the survivors (as well as returning deceased) have every reason to ignore Raiden and seek their personal goals. This is what Im hoping for.

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jooki
09/29/2014 08:44 PM (UTC)
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We're way past the time when games needed heros and villains. Besides heros have grown to become irrelevant lately (We should all admit that all heros are boring) and that's because we live in a world where everyone knows that heros don't exist.

Yet the world is full of roaming villains. And that's why anti-heros are so common.

"Perfectly good guy defends earth cliche from evil" is something you'd fool a kid with. And kids stories definitely don't belong in a game where you have to pull someone's spine off.
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krajax
09/29/2014 08:51 PM (UTC)
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jooki Wrote:
We're way past the time when games needed heros and villains. Besides heros have grown to become irrelevant lately (We should all admit that all heros are boring) and that's because we live in a world where everyone knows that heros don't exist.

Yet the world is full of roaming villains. And that's why anti-heros are so common.

"Perfectly good guy defends earth cliche from evil" is something you'd fool a kid with. And kids stories definitely don't belong in a game where you have to pull someone's spine off.


Hence "No More Heroes"
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ReptzMK
09/29/2014 09:17 PM (UTC)
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jooki Wrote:
Besides heros have grown to become irrelevant lately (We should all admit that all heros are boring) and that's because we live in a world where everyone knows that heros don't exist.


Blanket statements are generally best to avoid.

I myself enjoy a good heroic character, and I feel they fit right in with the MK universe. Believe it or not, there *are* people out there who uphold morality and virtue for no other reason than to uphold them. They defend those that can't defend themselves and they commit self-sacrifice.

Some people are good simply for the sake of Good. They're heros. And that alone doesn't necessarily make them boring in and of itself. If a hero is boring, it's probably for the same reason an anti-hero or villain is boring (which is poor character development and/or writing in general).

I would also add that, especially in regards to MK, heroic characters provide much needed levity to the overall tone. Similar to how comedic characters inject a little humor into an otherwise serious story (what would Star Wars be without R2-D2 and C-3PO?) No, not everyone has to be a goodie-two shoes. But without one or more of these types of characters, an strong argument could be made that the universe would be *too* dark. If everyone is morally ambiguous, a shade of gray, or just down right malevolent, the tone becomes too gritty and even "hopeless" imo. Is that more realistic in regards to the world we live in? Maybe, but then again, that's why I play video games...to escape reality. And people read books for the same reason.

Just saying, not everything has to be grim-dark and hero-less to be realistic and interesting (MK included), and altruistic heroes aren't just for kids. I personally enjoy rooting for a hero every now and then. People like feeling hope sometimes, and heroes embody that. smile
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Omegali2422
09/30/2014 01:50 AM (UTC)
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Tazer_Gunshot Wrote:
Maybe if he had died by the hands of Liu Kang, then banned to the Netherrealm and arose evil.


That's basically what I said in my previous post, and just because they revealed a character doesn't automatically disqualify that individual from being the "big bad", if anything it makes it unexpected and shocking.

Anyhow, we'll see where the creators decide to take the storyline, I'm frankly more interested in the creators leaking key story subplots than the characters.
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jooki
09/30/2014 08:19 PM (UTC)
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ReptzMK Wrote:
jooki Wrote:
Besides heros have grown to become irrelevant lately (We should all admit that all heros are boring) and that's because we live in a world where everyone knows that heros don't exist.


Blanket statements are generally best to avoid.

I myself enjoy a good heroic character, and I feel they fit right in with the MK universe. Believe it or not, there *are* people out there who uphold morality and virtue for no other reason than to uphold them. They defend those that can't defend themselves and they commit self-sacrifice.

Some people are good simply for the sake of Good. They're heros. And that alone doesn't necessarily make them boring in and of itself. If a hero is boring, it's probably for the same reason an anti-hero or villain is boring (which is poor character development and/or writing in general).

I would also add that, especially in regards to MK, heroic characters provide much needed levity to the overall tone. Similar to how comedic characters inject a little humor into an otherwise serious story (what would Star Wars be without R2-D2 and C-3PO?) No, not everyone has to be a goodie-two shoes. But without one or more of these types of characters, an strong argument could be made that the universe would be *too* dark. If everyone is morally ambiguous, a shade of gray, or just down right malevolent, the tone becomes too gritty and even "hopeless" imo. Is that more realistic in regards to the world we live in? Maybe, but then again, that's why I play video games...to escape reality. And people read books for the same reason.

Just saying, not everything has to be grim-dark and hero-less to be realistic and interesting (MK included), and altruistic heroes aren't just for kids. I personally enjoy rooting for a hero every now and then. People like feeling hope sometimes, and heroes embody that. smile


I agree with this. Only that the heroes in Mortal Kombat would be too much if all listed are back and well.. they're worse than the other characters and I think that's because they're basically recycled ideas of existing tropes and stereotypes.

Infact illiterate people here in Iraq back in the 90s literally called Liu Kang and Johnny Cage "Bruce Lee and Van Damme" and I don't blame the MK developers for it because that's what they're based on (they were 'the shit' back then apparently)

To me the MK team always comes up with better so called evil and neutral characters and that's no coincidence. That's because they fit this universe better. (Maybe there's why all of them are so under developed)

Besides idk how someone like Sonya could contribute to comic relief?
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Immortal_Kanji
10/01/2014 12:13 AM (UTC)
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You guys are pathetic.

You sound like you all want evil to win.
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Immortal_Kanji
10/23/2014 02:22 AM (UTC)
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How come with all the changes going on in MK, WHY IS IT that everyone wants evil to win?

WHY!?

It's like nobody cares about the words "heroes save the world/universe" anymore.
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Icebaby
10/23/2014 02:57 AM (UTC)
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Immortal_Kanji Wrote:
How come with all the changes going on in MK, WHY IS IT that everyone wants evil to win?

WHY!?

It's like nobody cares about the words "heroes save the world/universe" anymore.


Because it's a game. A game that doesn't neccessarily need to have the good guys always come out on top.
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OttoVonRuthless
10/23/2014 03:01 AM (UTC)
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Immortal_Kanji Wrote:
How come with all the changes going on in MK, WHY IS IT that everyone wants evil to win?

WHY!?

It's like nobody cares about the words "heroes save the world/universe" anymore.



Because stories where the heroes win start to become very predictable
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roguelocke54
10/23/2014 03:14 AM (UTC)
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OttoVonRuthless Wrote:
Immortal_Kanji Wrote:
How come with all the changes going on in MK, WHY IS IT that everyone wants evil to win?

WHY!?

It's like nobody cares about the words "heroes save the world/universe" anymore.



Because stories where the heroes win start to become very predictable


The same can be said when the villains win...
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mkwhopper
10/23/2014 04:49 AM (UTC)
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Immortal_Kanji Wrote:
How come with all the changes going on in MK, WHY IS IT that everyone wants evil to win?

WHY!?

It's like nobody cares about the words "heroes save the world/universe" anymore.

Because not every bloody story has to have a happy peachy ending
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DVorah
10/23/2014 09:01 AM (UTC)
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YES!

Away with Liu Crap, SOnya Bland and Johnny I-Can-Never-Be-Serious!

I want new heroes. Non-human ones if it's possible, from Outworld. Let Earthrealm rot.
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10/23/2014 10:28 AM (UTC)
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Immortal_Kanji Wrote:
You guys are pathetic.

You sound like you all want evil to win.



Not necessarily.

It is probable that most people do not want the usual route. I like heroes, I like values that are ingrained in human survival and helping others survive for the sake of doing so. heroes are necessary.


Just do not make it clear cut, do not preach, MAKE YOU ALWAYS SECOND GUESS is who or what am I rooting for truly good in a hero? Is the objective of the villain truly self-serving evil?

no more capes and moustache-twirling. The fact that we renounce these stories is a sign of our growing up as both readers, human beings and storytellers.

This is why I still hate Shinnok (and the faceless, personality-less goons in MK4 as his flunkies) and found Liu Kang boring untill MK9. This is why I didn't really care for Shang Tsung untill MKDA, this is why Dairou and Hotaru are underrated...

because the majority does not wish to exercise mental and mroal faculties and needs to be spoonfed this senseless black and white chalkboard of good and evil. Dairou's bios has more interesting points than Reiko's overall MK existence combined....

One half of people are stuck in this G I. Joe cartoon like state, the other consists of people who do not care or otherwise are too preoccupied sometimes with the visible coolness of all things dark (masturbatory shite like Rob Liefeld's edgy creations in the nineties).


Oh, and a lot of people completely forgot what an antihero is btw. A person who is in no shape or form heroic but accomplishes heroic deeds. Scorpion is no longer an antihero. Shinji Ikari is more of an antihero than the current Scorpion. And that is terrible.







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