Sub-Zero in Mk7
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posted04/20/2005 08:40 PM (UTC)by
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ScorpioKnight
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04/08/2005 05:26 AM (UTC)
Sub-Zero imo is the most powerful living earthrealm warrior but he is getting old and his age should start to take his abilities down a notch. I think it would be really lame to replace him with Frost or anyone else. Sub-Zero should finally be able to return to earth in Mk7 where he is met by Fujin. I think that Fujin should make Sub-Zero an elemental (similar to Blaze but he doesn't have to be completely ice). Making Sub-Zero an elemental not only will make him immortal but it will also grant him further expanded abilites as did the dragon medalion and his armor. Lastly it will expand his story further because then he could become Fujins aid in saving Earthrealm from Raiden.
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ZenMasterMike
04/08/2005 03:35 PM (UTC)
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The reason he's getting old is because his powers are getting stronger through the Dragon Medallion. He had to sacrifice his youth for power or something like that.
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Sub-Zero_7th
04/08/2005 07:32 PM (UTC)
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Well, to clear things up, yes, Sub-Zero did have to sacrifice his youth in order to wield the power of the Dragon Medallion. However, it's not like he continued to rapidly age. It's just that he had to sacrifice maybe about 10-15 years of age. In return, he became physically stronger, his fighting abilities were enhanced, and most of all, his freezing powers (Kori) were greatly enhanced. The armor further increased his strength.

From the way Sub-Zero looks in MKD, he actually looks younger as his face isn't wrinkled. It could just be that they didn't add such features to his face when making his MKD designs or maybe it's that Sub-Zero is becoming a bit like Mr. Freeze in that Sub-Zero's aging will slow down so his life span will extended quite a bit. Part of his ancestry can be traced back to Outworld and the people in Outworld do have much longer life spans than the inhabitants of Earthrealm.

I don't think his powers should decrease at all. In fact, from the way it's looking, he's becoming more powerful and his storyline is become deeper and deeper with how Smoke is being used by Noob Saibot for evil purposes and how Noob Saibot was revealed to have once been Sub-Zero's older brother.

There's also Sareena who is in Earthrealm and staying in the Lin Kuei Headquarters. I would like to see how her storyline goes and how it'll tie into Sub-Zero's storyline. Then we have Sektor and his clan of cyborg ninjas, the Tekunin, who are trying to take over Japan. I'm sure that aside from that, Sektor will want to destroy Sub-Zero and the new Lin Kuei clan as well as take the Dragon Medallion for himself.

However, Sub-Zero and Kenshi are still in Outworld. It's possible that eventually, they come across Shujinko, who asks for their assistance in fighting against Onaga. As for Hotaru, I think Kenshi's ending might happen since Kenshi's alternate bio mentions him sensing someone following him and Sub-Zero for the past few days. Kenshi's ending reveals (not to my surprise) that it was Hotaru who was following them. As we know, Hotaru wants to take down Sub-Zero since he killed many Tarkatan warriors who are loyal to Onaga.

I see a lot going for Sub-Zero's storyline and I hope it is fleshed out well in MK7.
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ZenMasterMike
04/08/2005 07:56 PM (UTC)
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Very True and Very Informative.

Personally ive been disappointed with Sub in the previous games, he's to much of a goody goody, im not saying i want him to be completley evil but maybe just a little more. And they need to find a plot twist to get rid of the aging thing i dont really care for it. Thoughts???
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04/08/2005 09:27 PM (UTC)
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ZenMasterMike Wrote:
Very True and Very Informative.

Personally ive been disappointed with Sub in the previous games, he's to much of a goody goody, im not saying i want him to be completley evil but maybe just a little more. And they need to find a plot twist to get rid of the aging thing i dont really care for it. Thoughts???


I would not say that Sub-Zero would be too much of a goody goody. Sub-Zero has been out for his own in the past, it was up untill Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance when he was actually an active member in helping to defend Earthrealm.

I have to admit, Sub-Zero has become my favorite character in Mortal Kombat over the years. At first it was Liu Kang but as the new games were out I seemed to like Sub-Zero more.

I hope to see Scorpion and Noob Saibot play integral roles in Sub-Zero's storyline in the future.
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ZenMasterMike
04/09/2005 02:53 AM (UTC)
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Thats what i meant, in the past two previous games he's been too aligned with Earth and its cause imo, i hope they delve deeper into his relationship with Frost whatever that may be and i also hope he gets a grudge again, the Scorpion vs Sub-Zero grudge was so sweet, if they ever bring Sektor back i hope he and Sub have some hella battles.
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Sub-Zero_7th
04/09/2005 03:20 AM (UTC)
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I think that in MKDA, they were trying to make Sub-Zero this very wise and honorable grandmaster type character, know what I mean? I know there are some who don't like him due to the whole "goody goody" thing. Raiden had been very goody goody up until MKD. I'm not counting MK1 since his character was retconned to have always been the good, protector-type. Anyway, I think the huge amount of depth within Sub-Zero's storyline really helps keep him going. He has a lot to deal with and I hope they'll continue to keep him an honorable and merciful warrior.

I have thought for a long time that he was neutral in MK2, but after checking out that comic book, I think he was good even during that time despite being as assassin and thief for the Lin Kuei. The same can be said for his friend Smoke. They did help out Liu Kang and Kung Lao afterall.

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ZenMasterMike
04/09/2005 03:41 AM (UTC)
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im not sayin i want him to be evil, just not as good as he has been recently. Although he does now have alot of depth to his story i feel as though latley he has been like old school Liu Kang imo and i cant stand stand Liu
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negative1
04/10/2005 08:28 PM (UTC)
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Sub Zero IS Mortal Kombat 7
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Bielgod
04/12/2005 07:46 AM (UTC)
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OK this is what I want to know. Where in the games does it say that he sacrificed his youth for power with the dragon medalion? I can't find that anywhere. Actualy this is the first I have heard of it. I think they just wanted him to look more like a grandmaster than he did.
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Sub-Zero_7th
04/12/2005 06:48 PM (UTC)
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Bielgod Wrote:
OK this is what I want to know. Where in the games does it say that he sacrificed his youth for power with the dragon medalion? I can't find that anywhere. Actualy this is the first I have heard of it. I think they just wanted him to look more like a grandmaster than he did.


It's not mentioned in any of the games. It was something that Ray DeGuzman (RayRokka) explained sometime ago in a couple of threads here in there that were Sub-Zero related.
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subzero6969
04/12/2005 08:24 PM (UTC)
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about sub zero being evil i htink it would be cool if he was totally evil but i know that wont happen and i also agree with the raiden guy sub is definetley becoming too good in mortal kombat 1 he was evil and i know that that was his older brother but i think they just made him die because they wasnted another good character but like raiden i think that once they made him good but now he will become evil again in one of the mrtal kombat games but for now i just want him to stop turning into lui kang because i think that its ridicoulous
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ZenMasterMike
04/12/2005 09:55 PM (UTC)
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Edit-Nevermind, didnt read all of post above and made myself look like an idiot.
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Ekule
04/12/2005 10:38 PM (UTC)
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What about if in some way the story turns into Sub-Zero and Scorpian fighting Smoke and Noob, think about it.... SUB's older brother = Noob, Orignal Sub who killed Scorpian=Noob....Smoke is just being held by Noob, I think Sub and Scorpian should some how allie.
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Sub-Zero_7th
04/12/2005 10:57 PM (UTC)
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The older Sub-Zero is neutral, not evil. Yes, he of course has evil taint in him, but overall, he's definitely neutral. The younger Sub-Zero was good throughout the series and he has evolved quite a bit over time into this very wise and powerful grandmaster type character.

It would be interesting to see Sub-Zero and Scorpion team up against Noob Saibot and Smoke.
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EWS773
04/13/2005 05:01 AM (UTC)
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As Scorpion has gone from hell-spawn spectre in MKs (1 - DA) to an instrument of the Elder Gods in MKD, I see Scorpion come to Sub-Zero's rescue, preventing Sub-Zero from turning to the dark side. (i.e. revenge for Smoke)

Scorpion did come to Sub-Zero's rescue before. In Sub-Zero's ending in MK4, Scoprion destroyed Quan Chi when he was about to strike Sub-Zero to death.

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Sub-Zero_7th
04/13/2005 07:33 PM (UTC)
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EWS773 Wrote:
As Scorpion has gone from hell-spawn spectre in MKs (1 - DA) to an instrument of the Elder Gods in MKD, I see Scorpion come to Sub-Zero's rescue, preventing Sub-Zero from turning to the dark side. (i.e. revenge for Smoke)

Scorpion did come to Sub-Zero's rescue before. In Sub-Zero's ending in MK4, Scoprion destroyed Quan Chi when he was about to strike Sub-Zero to death.



I don't think that would be the reason why Scorpion would want to come to Sub-Zero's rescue. It has to do with two things really.

1) Scorpion's vow to protect him for killing his older brother. I know he broke the vow when Quan Chi told Scorpion that Sub-Zero killed Scorpion's family and clan,

2) Since Sub-Zero and Noob Saibot are more than likely to go head to head in MK7 or so, Scorpion could possibly be involved in their storylines since Scorpion is connected to Noob Saibot's past and they did help turn each other into the beings that they are now.

Btw, Scorpion didn't destroy Quan Chi in MK4. What happened was that Scorpion and Sub-Zero were fighting each other and Scorpion had the upper hand. Before he was about to kill him, Scorpion said he can now finally avenge the death of his family and clan so his soul can finally be at peace. Sub-Zero admits that the Lin Kuei had some part in Scorpion's death, but the true murderer of Scorpion's family and clan is still out there. Scorpion is confused and asks who is. When he finishes asking that, Quan Chi appears and admits that he is the one who killed Scorpion's family and clan many years ago. Going back to MKM: Sub-Zero, this was payment to the Lin Kuei clan since the older Sub-Zero retrieved the Map of Elements from the Shaolin Temple. Quan Chi tries to send Scorpion back to the Netherrealm, but Scorpion runs over to him, grabs him, and they both are transported there. Of course that leads to Scorpion chasing after him and trying to look for him and such.
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04/13/2005 08:54 PM (UTC)
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I actually think that Noob-saibot's soul should some way be relinquished back into to the older subzero's body, giving him life again and freezing abilities again, (in some senseable, knowledgeable, and well thought out story twist) so that there will be Noob-saibot and classic sub-zero in seperate bodies. Noob will still be as evil as he always is but except now him and classic subzero are not one any more.

If this ever did happen I would really love to see classic subzero rival with scorpion once more or rival with noob mayby.glasses
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Sub-Zero_7th
04/13/2005 11:32 PM (UTC)
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I don't think that's possible since older Sub-Zero's body is more than likely gone.
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04/19/2005 06:15 PM (UTC)
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Well I do think younger brother should be a Ice Element similar to How Blaze is a Fire element.



Older Subby should return with ties in Dark Rayden. Noob Saibot has a darker backstory with Older Subby.
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kaligoddess
04/19/2005 11:30 PM (UTC)
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Dark Raiden doesn't really seem evil to me, just a darker, more vengeful protector of Earthrealm. I don't see why he would want Noob to do anything for him. Granted, they did team up in the past, but that was how Noob ended up truly damned in the first place. I can't see why he'd trust Raiden now, after what he went through in the Mythologies storyline for him.

As for young Sub-Zero, I'd like to see Sektor and co and Sareena have something to do with the storyline like SZ7th mentioned. (Of course I'd like to see Frost back too, but if I got everything I wanted it just wouldn't be life). Unfortunately, with Sub-Zero and Kenshi still wandering Outworld, I don't see how they'd meet up with the cyber and she-demon. As for Sub-Zero as an elemental, I feel that would cheapen him. I didn't like the "Outworld Ancestors" bit and I'd like an elemental change even less. I guess I just like him as a human with mysterious kori powers. Apparently I'm just boring that way.
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04/19/2005 11:38 PM (UTC)
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kaligoddess Wrote:
Dark Raiden doesn't really seem evil to me, just a darker, more vengeful protector of Earthrealm. I don't see why he would want Noob to do anything for him. Granted, they did team up in the past, but that was how Noob ended up truly damned in the first place. I can't see why he'd trust Raiden now, after what he went through in the Mythologies storyline for him.

As for young Sub-Zero, I'd like to see Sektor and co and Sareena have something to do with the storyline like SZ7th mentioned. (Of course I'd like to see Frost back too, but if I got everything I wanted it just wouldn't be life). Unfortunately, with Sub-Zero and Kenshi still wandering Outworld, I don't see how they'd meet up with the cyber and she-demon.

As for Sub-Zero as an elemental, I feel that would cheapen him. I didn't like the "Outworld Ancestors" bit and I'd like an elemental change even less. I guess I just like him as a human with mysterious kori powers. Apparently I'm just boring that way.


I dont like sub-zero as an elemental either.sleep
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04/20/2005 12:46 AM (UTC)
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I rather have Subby The younger as a ICE Elemental than have him and his family hail from outworld.


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04/20/2005 08:40 PM (UTC)
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I still think it will be cool in the next MK to have a big war between the new Lin Kuei (fronted by Sub-Zero) and the Tekunin (fronted by Sektor) and maybe somehow get Scorpion and Noob Saibot involved as well. Like maybe Noob sees that the Tekunin arent fairing so well so he and Smoke join in to help (and get some revenge against Sub-Zero for one reason or another) but then have Scorpion (as he is Sub's protector) come in and get into a one on one with Noob, just like old times, only not since Noob doesnt do the whole ice thing as he did when he was Sub-Zero.

Just something I personally think would be cool, or at least something relativly close to that.
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