Do you expect someone might watch a video lasting 81 minutes? Good luck with that.

the story was a fucking joke, the comix should have been the game....it was fucking terrible...they have just fucked up mk like Armageddon did....there is no way to fix this without reboting it Again

Onto the Deadly Alliance of course


Shao Kahn and Shang Tsung will both be back

Sadly I see everyone from MKX making it into MK11

1. Havik
2. Fujin
3. Bo Rai Cho
4. Sareena
5. Rain
6. Li Mei
7. Rieko
8. Nitara
9. Skarlet
+6 NEW

MASSIVE EPIC GAME!!!!

There is plenty of directions the story can go:
- You have Liu Kang, Kitana and the other revenants in the Netherrealm
- Rain and the Edenian resistance
- The Dragon King
- Blaze, the piramid and Armageddon
- Dark Raiden
- Orderrealm and Chaosrealm
- The Red Dragon
- Kotal Kahn
- The Shokan

And they can always think of something new.

They could combine storylines, for example: Rain knows the legend of Armageddon, and enlists the help of his half-brother Daegon and his Red Dragon to find Blaze and use his power to conquer the realms.

There is no need to recycle stuff from the new timeline already. The stories of Shang Tsung, Shao Kahn, Mileena, Shinnok and Quan Chi have been told. No need to bring them back into the story. They can always be pre-order bonuses, DLC, or just playable but not in Story Mode.

A Deadly Alliance just for the sake of it coming next in the old timeline seems pointless. Shang Tsung and Quan Chi are both dead. An alliance between other characters is not the Deadly Alliance, that story would be entirely different.

An alliance between Raiden and Liu Kang seems highly unlikely, as Raiden sees Liu Kang as a threat to Earthrealm, and Liu Kang hates Raiden for killing him.

Well, I fancy your ideas, but the point of the thread is to kind of check out my video idea too

I agree with your first statement, its been something I have trying to say but didn't know how to say it for the longest time. Felt like the mystic and Asian influences/vibes were toned down and the american/military shit was turned up. I am American and support the troops but when it comes to media/fictional stuff I really don't care for anything military related, its why I cant play COD, and why I never liked G.I Joe growing up lol

Anyway idk I don't hate the story, but it wasn't really good, and definitely wasn't as good as I was expecting/hoping for. I personally think the 20 year time skip was a mistake too, hopefully they don't do that anymore. I guess they had to do it to introduce the 4 new heroes though.

It is a very long video. I only watched the first 10 minutes or so.
You should make a shorter, written version if you want people to read it and comment on it. Add bios for the characters, so we know who is in it and why.

First thing I notice is there are 3 major factions in the Netherrealm. Out of nowhere and without explanation, Noob Saibot has returned and is now a major player in the Netherrealm. You should provide some explanation as to why he is there. What happened after he was thrown into the soulnado? Why is Kobra allied with him?

How did Reiko gather his followers? How did Skarlet get associated with the Netherrealm? How did Motaro and Baraka get resurrected? Why is Mavado associated with them?

These things can be fixed with bios.

I would prefer that the dead characters stay dead, unless their resurrection has a purpose. The heroes in MK9 died to become part of Shinnok's army. It changed them. It gave another edge to the war with Shinnok, since many of the enemies were actually friends that might be saved. Resurrection is a powerful tool/power that should be handled wisely. Otherwise deaths will become meaningless.

Hey!
Noob Saibot was killed in the soulnado. He went back to Hell where he belonged (not that I think so, but that's what happens to evil beings)

Kobra was killed by Erron Black. Why did he go in the service of Noob Saibot? Well, he's an Earthrealmer, like Bi-Han. Most of Reiko's army is from deceased outworlders. Liu Kang already has a formidable army and they pretty much have all the good stuff/power in the Netherrealm. Kobra and the Brotherhood of the Shadow want to depower them and take it for themselves. They made allies: Havik (already implied in an ending as a possible future plot) and the Imperial Army of the Moroi.

Reiko gathered followers because there was a void of power in the Netherrealm after Quan Chi's death. It started after Shinnok's imprisonment, but Quan Chi held the realm for 20 years. After he died, his followers (with Liu Kang and Kitana the most powerful) weren't worshiped by all.
Skarlet obviously loves Reiko. She died or went to find him/free but she found it cozy there!

Motaro and Baraka didn't get resurrected. They're dead. Everyone there is dead and their souls imprisoned.
Mavado is associated with Reiko as of the Outworld Civil War, as the comic explains. There's actually a nice explanation for this in the video, if you make the time to watch it

I didn't do bios cause there's not really much to tell.

But hey, if you guys want to, you can contribute in any way: make bios, change parts of the story, have the characters do different things or have different reactions, change the outcome, whatever you want, and we can make a team effort for the story of the next game, even though the writers won't probably care about our ideas as long as they have their own.

I'm pretty proud of my story and I think I only followed lines that the MK writers have already drawn and are likely to expand upon (like the Noob- Havik alliance), but I'm willing to change some stuff if more than one voice requires me too. As I said, all the help would be welcomed!

People who die don't just reappear in the Netherrealm. Maybe unclaimed evil souls go there, I don't know, but someone would have to give them a body, or they wouldn't be able to do anything. That is what I mean by resurrection, to give the soul a body so that it can do stuff. That's what Quan Chi is for, but he is no longer around.

Only 2/3 of the comic was released were I live, so I haven't read all of it. I'm a little vague on the stuff that I did read as well. I should re-read it.

I'll try to watch more of the video later.
Is the video entirely the same as the text you wrote in the 'Future MK Games' forum?

It's definitely stepped far from its roots of a Martial Arts tournament/battle to more of a military conflict between major nations. I mean, with an invasion on a major scale I would expect military presence, but I do see where this is coming from...we've come a long way from the Enter the Dragon/Bloodsport/Kickboxer feel of Mortal Kombat 1. It's starting to feel a little more John Woo - guns blazing, explosions and martial arts.

I suppose it was the natural evolution of the story.

I love the basic concepts and ideas revolving around the MK lore and universe, but the writing has indeed been lackluster in a general since (however it maybe considered decent in comparison to other fighting games).

The writers always seem to follow the same models, with one specific group of prioritized fighters taking on the hero roles while the villains always hail from Outworld or Netherrealm. Always pretty black and white and always from the point of view from the 'heroes' who inevitably triumph in the end. The stories are typically rushed and forced to intertwine with each other in the given game's timeline, and ultimately repeat the same outcomes over and over. They rarely explain any history or expound upon the original cannon which contributes to the lack of depth that the characters display.

There are hoards of things to be expounded upon, like different species or lost races and their relationships and roles throughout history, the realms other than outworld or earthrealm, any lost realms or realms we havent yet heard from, their cultures and goals and where their allegiances ultimately lie. The politics of Outworld was very shallowly explored. Different types of magics, and different types of gods, etc. The list goes on.

My wish for any future games is that they follow the critically successful GOT type model, in that all points of view are given acknowledgment, and providing just reasoning for the villains in which we could understand and sympathize with them. I would love to see actual consequences for the 'heroes' side in which they dont always succeed in the end and have to deal with it, either by death or else.


I don't think their writing styles will ever change however, I think Ed Boon, as creator, is ultimately going to stick with his traditional story model cause he thinks that is what is best.

For the next game, It appears to cover aspects from deadly alliance. Shang Tsung's return, a potential new tournament in Outworld, maybe a little bit of deception (first half) with references to Shujinko and corrupted Raiden.

Regardless, Cassie Cage will probably defeat any boss that may be, and blah blah blah.

No f#cks given at this point

I don't know why you have that opinion. It has never been stated that's the case and we have been given numerous examples that dead ones reincarnate in the Netherrealm.

From Drahmin's bio in Armageddon:
'Drahmin was once a vicious landlord who found himself punished in the flames of Hell after his death. Over the centuries, he has achieved the status of Oni Tormentor and now practices his skills on the miserable souls of the fallen.'
If he found himself punished in the Netherrealm he must have had a body to feel pain. His bio card actually shows his body being punished in Hell after death without any sorcerer interference. Furthermore, from Shujinko's and Taven's descent into the Netherrealm in the konquest modes, as well as Liu Kang's and Kung Lao's journey there in Shaolin Monks we see numerous bodies of doomed souls.

If the Oni in Hell roam around wanting to torment and eat flesh, who do they torment? Quan Chi's great warriors? I think not. You are probably thinking about the fact that the Netherrealm didn't have the design of a realm until Shinnok decided to make it....more elegant, hospitable. This I know and it actually even has cities now, like Nekros, with demons pretending to live a semi-normal life (until they stab you in the back cause they're still demons!).

But as for the dead ones not having a body in the Netherrealm, I think you're mistaking. Drahmin's bio proves this. There are others who died and had a body in Hell: for example Mileena at the end of MK3.
The real question is what happens to them after they get eaten, destroyed, killed in the Netherrealm or in their demon form, as we've seen it's possible with the deaths of Drahmin, Moloch and Havik in the comic and Quan Chi in the game? Do they reincarnate in a different part of the Netherrealm? Is their consciousness dragged to the deepest part of Hell, the 12th plane? What happens there? This has been unanswered so far and I did address it in my video, hopefully with some success.

It's hard to get a consistent view on how death works in MK since it is handled rather vague.

Before MK4, the Netherrealm, Quan Chi and Shinnok didn't excist, so you had Shang Tsung and his shadow priests resurrecting Sindel and Shao Kahn resurrecting Mileena. In MK (2011), it is Quan Chi who resurrected Sindel.

In MK Gold, Mileena is reborn in the Netherrealm and a servant of Shinnok. This is exactly what happens with the revenants in MK (2011). MKX finally shows us this process. Quan Chi has a magical 'pool' that he uses to create new bodies for fallen warriors. I assume the dagger that Jax used to attack Johnny Cage with was enchanted to get possession of Johnny's soul after his death (As it would otherwise ascend into the Heavens?).

I assume that's from Drahmin's Bio card? It clearly states that he practises his skills on the souls of the fallen, not their bodies. I have no idea how that works. How he himself got a body is also a mystery.

Are we sure the creatures seen in the Netherrealm aren't just demons born in that realm? Are they really deceased former inhabitants of other realms? It's been a while since I played those games.

If I understand your story correctly, dead people who died again go to the Dream Realm? What happens when they die again after that?

In the end, we just don't know enough about death in MK, but I think it's safe to say that dead people aren't just reborn in the Netherrealm as if nothing happened.

Well padawan (I really hope your name suggests a Star Wars prequels affinity, just like I have ) , you certainly know you MK timeline and plot! Congrats!

But.... what do you say about Sub-Zero dying and waking up in his body in the Netherrealm? Rather stupidly in his cyborg body, I would add. Before Quan Chi's intervention to make him a a revenant!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkSGxbsSCIo
The 1:00 mark

The thing is, I believe that the soul somehow materializes in the Netherrealm. It may not be a body as we know it, it may be tainted with evil, but somehow all those who are doomed to that torture are able to move, feel, walk, talk. They must have a body to do all these.

Even Scorpion was tormented in the Netherrealm before Quan Chi realized that fire doesn't hurt him and that he is a warrior worthy of leading his armies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZWWxyEtrf8
The 1:20 mark

I gotcha here!

I guess the same thing made Quan Chi realize that Bi Han was worthy of the Noob Saibot title and be the leader of the Brotherhood of the Shadow.

Yes, it does!
I like the Jedi, the Force and the mystical things that come with them. That's why I like the prequels better. The original films showed very little magic. I'm worried about the new films, as it appears the Force and the Jedi are still a myth in them.

I'm not really a fan of the comics, as they are sometimes inconsistent with the games. (Even moreso than the games themselves.) I wouldn't be surprised if the comic is ignored in MK11. Maybe they take some ideas from it, like they did with the MK movies.

What you see in the comic suggests that Sub-Zero awoke in the Netherrealm (possibly the same way Johnny Cage was being created in MKX) as a cyborg, but was immediately reverted into human form by Quan Chi, and he still had his free will until he was remade human. This contradicts MK (2011) as Cyber Sub-Zero was seen in the Netherrealm with the other revenants, and was clearly serving Quan Chi.

In Scorpion's case, his soul kept praying, until his call was answered.

Even if you ignore the continuitty errors, both Sub-Zero and Scorpion awoke in the Netherrealm in the presence of Quan Chi. If people rematerialized in the Netherrealm without help, it would be an enormous coincidence that Quan Chi was present in both cases if he had nothing to do with it.

Well looks like you going to complaining for the next 3 years until MK 11. And Armageddon wasn't canon so how could that have fucked up the story? Smh

I like the story, it had a few disappointments for me. I wish Liu Kang, Kung Lao and the rest of the fallen heroes would turn good again. And they would all join together with Cassie and her crew and defeat Shinnok. The fallen heroes turning good would of made sense of them being human in the select screen. But I understand that NRS wanted to both please the fans who wanted them back after they died and follow the story after MK9

The best thing to come out of the MKX universe was the Comic. The Ingame storymode started promising but it turned to crap soon enough. Unfortunately, I doubt the story can be saved without some serious retcon unless they take the comic's story as canon.

Well said! NRS is too predictable with their format. MK11 needs a good kick in the ass all around, this franchise is stale.

Well, the new Star Wars movie is out! What did you think about it?

And what about the Netherrealm resurrections? Are we settled on that?
I provided at least 3 examples for when souls are reincarnated. Quan Chi being in the proximity is not a coincidence, but you have to agree that he specifically searches for the souls of Bi Han, Kuai Liang and Hanzo Hasashi because of their power. They are unique and he knows exactly where to be after Kuai Liang is killed by Sindel. Quan Chi knows his soul materializes where Shao Kahn sends him: the Netherrealm.

Also, Scorpion is literally tied up before Quan Chi appears. Quan Chi doesn't transform them into bodies to talk to them. If he could hear Scorpion sreaming he wouldn't need to give him a body just to have a conversation. Their transformation is specifically shown after that. Convinced?

It was good. Lots of unanswered questions. So we'll have to wait a couple of years before we can make a final verdict...

I'll have to re-read those. The way I interpreted the Scorpion resurrection is that the scene where Scorpion meets Quan Chi (with Quan Chi's hand reaching out to Scorpion) is another scene than the one where he is tied up. The way I see it, it happens some time later, and it is Quan Chi that hang him there. The panels are entirely black until Scorpion sees Quan Chi. To me that suggests Scorpion was somewhere where he couldn't see, until Quan Chi took him away from there. He was a soul in the Netherrealm, and Quan Chi gave him a body so he could see (and all other things a living person can do). But maybe my interpretation is wrong. I'll re-read that scene.

The Kuai Liang one certainly is confusing, as it seems to contradict Cyber Sub-Zero's presence in Raiden's chapter in MK2011.

Did we see Bi Han getting resurrected? I can't remember that.

The problem I see with the Story Mode's writing is that the scope of the story was too ambitious. It was hard to really get into both the drama of the Outworld war and Shinnok's invasion at the same time, since each subtracted from the screentime available to develop the other. And then, because of the 20-year time jump, they needed flashbacks and bland exposition to fill us in on what we missed. So you'd need even more extra screentime to fix that.

Personally, I think it would have been better if Shinnok's invasion threatened both Earth and Outworld as MK9 had promised, with Kotal usurping Mileena as the conflict intensified. (This would be the set of chapters where characters like Reptile and Erron Black would be onstage and "heroic" enough to warrant their own chapter arcs, if we must follow the chapter formula.) Shinnok is imprisoned, some Revenants are freed, and Sonya announces her pregnancy. THEN flash forward 20 years and pick up where MKX starts, having already established some story momentum. Kano steals the amulet, turmoil in Outworld as the clash for the amulet rages, then Shinnok returns (after having properly established himself as a villain to be feared in the first half.)

The story would need about double the current runtime to make that work, but it would give the story a lot more focus and coherence -- and thus, impact -- than it currently has. (Having Outworld be more involved in the Netherrealm war would also take some emphasis away from the Special Forces and reduce the military saturation that some people are complaining about.) But with the time and resources available, what they came up with is about as good as could be expected.

I'm still not sure why some people still hold the comics as being the best story. It had great characterization for the most part, that was its strong suit. (That same characterization would have been far too dialogue-heavy to carry an action-based, interactive Story Mode.) But the way it just casually threw characters into the mix with the flimsiest excuses for being there, it was kind of like Armageddon all over again. It was a good story premise that got drowned out in fanservice wank, and was in many ways incompatible with both the game's actual story and the existing canon.