Who will be the hero?
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posted05/09/2005 10:26 PM (UTC)by
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Smoke01
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02/06/2005 10:22 PM (UTC)
In the next MK fighting game, who will be the hero? Will it be Shujinko? (hopefully not) Liu Kang again? Or maybe it will just be a new character.... What is your take on this subject?
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GraveDigger
03/22/2005 05:45 AM (UTC)
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Well Scorpion seems to be going in that direction for the last two games... And Hell, I hope it is him!

Another good candidate would be Ermac. He made a handful of Earth's champions his bitches in MK:D, All at once.

A longshot at this point, But not out of the game, Is Sub-Zero. His powers are also immense at this point, Though not on the level of Scorpion or Ermac.
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Grizzle
03/22/2005 10:03 AM (UTC)
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I don't think there will be a specific hero in Mortal Kombat but I think the figure head for the forces of good will be Sub-Zero. I think he will be the most notorious fighter for the forces of good in the evil forces point of view.

Sub-Zero has come a far way and accomplished alot since his debut in Mortal Kombat 2. If anybody should assume the role of Liu Kang I believe it should be him, I would also have him more involved in everyone's story.

In Deception, Sub-Zero was involved in Kenshi's, Hotaru's, Baraka's, Noob Smoke's, Onaga's, and other characters storylines in one form or another. Onaga most noticed Sub-Zero in Deception and was after his head, so although the position of the main hero is most dangerous, I believe Sub-Zero would manage as he did before.
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03/22/2005 11:41 AM (UTC)
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GraveDigger Wrote:
Well Scorpion seems to be going in that direction for the last two games... And Hell, I hope it is him!

Another good candidate would be Ermac. He made a handful of Earth's champions his bitches in MK:D, All at once.

A longshot at this point, But not out of the game, Is Sub-Zero. His powers are also immense at this point, Though not on the level of Scorpion or Ermac.

Well then again so did Li Mei she held off the entire earthrealm defence for the DK,

as for the sub zero comment....why arent his powers on the Ermac and or scorpion level?
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red_dragon
03/22/2005 01:42 PM (UTC)
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I think Sub Zero has the most potential to become main hero at this point. Although I'd personally choose Kung Lao, Sub Zero has had so much build up over the last two games. He has:

Taken over leading the Lin Quei, and reformed them as good guys.

Gained and lost a student.

Had his powers increased by the Medallion and new armour.

Discovered new facts about his ancestry, and that he may not be 100% human.

Was considered the biggest threat to Onaga's rule, and the most effort was made to bring Sub down.

Now found out that his older brother is alive, and evil in the form of Noob, and in control of his best friend.

If this is not enough to put him in the lead for running of next MK hero, I don't know what is. Plus one thing he has over Scorpion, although both are MK icons. Scorpion is NEUTRAL, neither good nor evil. Sub Zero is a hero.

By the way, someone mentioned Li Mei holding off the good guys for Onaga. I really don't think that ending will turn out to be canon.
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03/22/2005 04:21 PM (UTC)
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No one. Every little group should have it's own important role in an upcoming (hopefully tournament) struggle.
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GraveDigger
03/23/2005 12:07 AM (UTC)
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"Well then again so did Li Mei. She held off the entire Earthrealm defence for the DK"

By "Hold Off", I'm sure it meant a temporary distraction. She didn't beat anyone, That's for sure. She probably sucker-punched a few of them. And knowing them, They didn't want to hurt her... "Good Guys" are always stupid like that. Hell, Sub-Zero was one of the people she "Held Off"... Do you honestly think she could last five minutes against him, Let alone anyone else??? She's good... But Sonya would kill her. ::waits for Queve to come in and back me up::

"As for the Sub-Zero comment... Why aren't his powers on Ermac and/or Scorpion's level?"

Well, Ermac, From his endings in UMK3 and MK:DA, Show that he literally has the power of a legion of warriors in that one body. Shao Kahn was little challenge to Ermac's might (what if ending). And like i said, He made all of the Earthrealm warriors his bitches while helping Liu Kang. I would say he "Held them Off", But he was just plain raping them!!!

It's obvious that Scorpion is powerful enough to defeat Gods (as he defeated both sub-zeros, killed one). I know Sub-Zero got power boosts from the Dragon Medallion and the Cryomancer armor, But he still had trouble with the Tarkatan and Hotaru. But in Scorpion's ending, He single-handedly slaughtered a horde of Tarkatan and ripped through Onaga with his bare hands. There's really no telling how powerful Scorpion is now.
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03/23/2005 04:35 AM (UTC)
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To GraveDigger:
I agree with you on Li Mei, but for Ermac, to be fair, I think we should consider that maybe while under Onaga's mind-control the Earth heroes weren't exactly fighting with their A-game.
Maybe though. It is possibile that Ermac is just an uber-bad ass.

Back on topic, I see the "main hero" either being Sub-Zero, Kung Lao or maybe Ermac and Scorpion.
Sub-Zero, I think is the best choice. As everyone's said, his stories been building, he keeps getting stronger with each game etc etc.
Kung Lao, because he seems like the obvious Liu Kang replacement as the Shaolin Monk hero. Maybe too obvious, though. But he's a hell of a lot better than Shujinko anyway.
Maybe Ermac, but I think it's too soon to say. Maybe in another game or two we'll see Ermac evolve into the "hero," sort of how Sub-Zero did.
And maybe Scorpion because he's always been around, he too has been getting stronger, and he's now the Elder Gods' Champion. However, I think Scorpion works better as the unlikely or anti-hero of MK, not the "hero" hero.
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03/23/2005 08:06 AM (UTC)
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Smoke01 Wrote:
In the next MK fighting game, who will be the hero?
Will it be Shujinko? (hopefully not)
Liu Kang again?

Or maybe it will just be a new character....

What is your take on this subject?


By "hero," you mean the winner of the next MK? If that is the case, I doubt there will be one absolute winner since it most likely won't be a tournament. Beside the official Mortal Kombat tournament, which only happens every 50 years, a tournament storyline would be kinda out of place IMO. Why would the next boss villian throw a tournament? That sounds too much like what a Tekken villian would do. Bleh. Just because it's a fighting game doesn't mean it's a tournament. (I'm sure you're not implying that, but I'm trying to set up a point...)

The way they seem to be going with the fighting games, it seems like they're not going with any clear winners anymore. Look at Deadly Alliance. Who would you say "won?" Did the Deadly Alliance win? Or would you say Quan Chi won? Or would you go with the Dragon King? I mean the storyline just rolls right into Deception, and the whole thing feels like two parts of the same storyline. It's clued together too well. Go ahead and cut it up into parts if you want to, and then argue over who won that particular part of the story. Bleh. I think too much attention is being payed to who the last butt kicker was.

For that matter, I think Liu Kang's title as "Champion" of Mortal Kombat leads people to believe he's kicking butt at the end of every game. If they didn't throw that label on him, he'd be just another character like everyone else. Let me put it this way, even if he did get his butt kicked outside of the Mortal Kombat tournament he's still going to be champion of that tournament until he gets beaten IN that tournament of the same name. Here's an example for those who still don't get what I just said... Let's say you win a local karate tournament and are labeled "champion" of the event, you get your plastic trophy and everything. Then, let's say you get your butt kicked in school or at a bar two weeks later. Well, you still got your trophy, and you still carry your title as "champion" of the tournament when you enter again next year. My point is,I think people who argue "who is the hero" are actually complaining about that stupid title "Champion of Mortal Kombat." I tire of seeing the "why can't my favorate be the champ?" type threads.

As far as Liu Kang is concerned, he will always be referred to as "Champion of Mortal Kombat" and that is simply something he's stuck with. However, it doesn't mean he has to be the one who "kicks the last guy's butt," or "the main hero" all the time. If by "hero," you are asking who the head good guy should be for a particular game, well then, I think the fighting games are opening up more towards having particular side-storys becoming more focused on for a particular game. For example, maybe a certain storyline will revolve around one of Sub-Zero's quests because of his tie-in with whatever issue the villian is caught up in. Maybe they will lead us to believe a certain character is winning, then the next game comes out and "BAM!" surprise character steals the show!

As far as "the hero" of MK is though, Liu Kang will always be the "Luke Skywalker" of Mortal Kombat. All I am saying is, the good guys don't have to win all the time (i.e. Deadly Alliance) and if they do, Liu Kang doesn't have to be the one who beats up the last bad guy. He's still going to be the hero icon of MK, but there are so many characters involved in so many aspects of the story. Many of those aspects are no less important then who the champion of the MK tournament happens to be. Many roles no less important then "who the head good guy" happens to be. Many sub-plots just as essential as who beat the last boss of the game happens to be. Liu Kang, to me, is like a leader figure for the Earthrealm fighters. He's the champ for a reason, he knows how to open a can of you-know-what, and he does it well. I'm thinking that the only reason people are starting these "main hero" threads is because of his title as champion of MK. It doesn't mean he wins every game. He certainly didn't win DA, but look, he still has the TITLE of champion. (Besides, he got snipered by Quan Chi because they couldn't beat him in combat! Not a real victory. tongue)

I know this thread wasn't directly attacking Liu Kang, I understand it was simply brought up to discuss who the next hero could be. However, I feel the whole "hero" business is misunderstood, and I think it is largely due to Liu Kang's title which is why I brought it up. It's true that Liu Kang is the main good guy, but he certainly hasn't been the focus character in the last two games. Yet people are still making such fuss over him being the hero, when really I think the real issue is him having the title of champion. Had the first game not been a tournament, just a war between realms, and even if Liu Kang still beat the last bad guy in that game I doubt he'd be so fussed over today, because the storyline has never stated since MKII, "After so-and-so's defeat at the hands of Liu Kang." The whole tournament storyline of the first game gave everyone the wrong mindset for the future games in my opinion.

So, yeah, now that all of that's out of my system, let me answer your question. smile

Everything above was not based on my favoratism, simply honest observation. But yes, Liu Kang is my favorate character, and I personally wouldn't be bothered at all if he was in the spotlight once again. However, I don't think he will be in a direct spotlight anymore, I think the game's attention is too scattered for that to happen. Too much going on in the story. So the "hero" of Deception and the next game could be anybody. And if the storylines are glued together so tightly like MKDA and MKD were, then I don't even think we need to worry who the hero of a particular game will be anymore, we seriously won't. However, Liu Kang is still going to be the iconic hero of the series, and you can't take that away from the guy. Ya just can't. smile

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GraveDigger
03/23/2005 08:23 AM (UTC)
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To GraveDigger:
I agree with you on Li Mei, but for Ermac, to be fair, I think we should consider that maybe while under Onaga's mind-control the Earth heroes weren't exactly fighting with their A-game.
Maybe though. It is possibile that Ermac is just an uber-bad ass.


Well Ermac is an uber-badass no matter how you look at it, lol.
But really, There's no telling what their thought process was. They could have been either mental-slaves or mental-puppets. I'm thinking they were mental-slaves though. Why would Onaga bring back great warriors, Just so that they'll be brainless drones? They'd be no real use to him without their fighting skills.
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03/23/2005 12:33 PM (UTC)
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As long as is not Shujinko or Liu Kang. I don't care who it is. Although Scorpion will be a good choice.
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03/23/2005 01:20 PM (UTC)
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Hope Shujinko gets a major rewamp and he is going to be good enough to take a good role i [power balance. Much like the very strict Pai Mei.

Liu kang is and always will be the best weaopn Earth has to offer. Howe-ver I do wish that he fails for once, that would make him even more interes-ting.

Kung Lao is more battle-oriented than Kang. He should fight the majority of the battles.
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Smoke01
03/23/2005 11:24 PM (UTC)
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Exactly what i was thinking. I know it hasn't been a real "tournament" since the first game. But I also think because of some endings such as Scorpion's, that it would result in no more Reptile, and i believe the MK designers know he is a favorite character. For example, Liu Kang dies in deadly alliance. They were probably trying to get him out of the way for good with no intention of having him in another MK game, but because of people wanting him, he came back.

By hero I do mean not only who would win in deception, but who would lead in the next game. I also don't think anyone will win in deception, or anyone we would expect anyway. Something will probably happen like Shang Tsung comming back, with the Dragon King defeated, but not slautered, and giving Reptile some power. Then Reptile would be back in the show on the side of Shang Tsung.

But who knows, anything can happen, but I really don't see Shujinko or anyone killing the Dragon King because that wouldn't be a good lead into the next MK game.
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04/29/2005 02:23 AM (UTC)
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I think maybe just maybe JJJJJJJJUUUUUUUUUSSSSSTTT MAAAAAYYYBBBEEEEE SUB ZERO and with belive it or not less hatered level of scoprion for SUB ZERO because he hands over Quan Chi to him and there both gona take them out but the the DA come alive again with quan chi and Tsung and SUB ZERO and Scorpion out of desperation become a team and become a Good DA



HIT ME BACK AND LET ME KNOW WUT U THINK
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Wisdom324
04/30/2005 12:43 AM (UTC)
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I would rather have Scorpion or Sub-Zero as the next hero. I mean Scorpion was the chosen champion of the elder gods!!!! It wouldn't make since for him not to be the next MK Champ. Sub-Zero would be a good choice due to the fact that he's been around for god knows how long in the games and plus any of these guys would make the entire story interesting. I would also love to see Ermac as the hero as well. I mean he came a long way from where he was when he first came on to the scene. I loved his story and his ending and it would just be cool to see him as the hero. Kung Lao at this moment seems like the obvious choice because he is close to Liu.

However, I would LOVE to see a female character be the champ for once. Just once. Games like Battle Arena Toshinden and Killer Instinct had females as the champions of their tournament, why not MK try that out??? I just think it would be really cool to see a female take that title. It would not only give MK a change in story but it would also make things a bit more interesting.

I do not want to see Shujinko again all b/c he just doesn't seem anything of the hero I would like for MK. The fact that he could mimic everyone's moves and stuff just didn't suit him to me. Liu Kang shouldn't be hero again all because I'm sick of him always being the one all of earthrealm depends on. Heck, I was happy when he was killed in MKDA. It made things interesting with him gone, why he's back in MKD really bothers me b/c he's gonna becme champ again and it really need to change.
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04/30/2005 01:22 AM (UTC)
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I think Liu has lost some of his luster. People are starting to not want him to be the one to save earth. I certaintly think so.

But anyway about the next hero, I don't think a hero is needed. Just like band the good guys together and call them one. I think really the leader of the good guys is Raiden. But since he turned dark, idk how they're gonna play that out, but when he was light at least, he lead the good guys.

Well if there really must be a hero for the new game, I would like to see someone abstract. Like someone who has a sudden change of heart and becomes good. Ermac fits that bill, but wouldn't it be cool to have Baraka and the Tarkata be good? I think it would

I know, I know, the Tarkata are way too bad ass to be good guys, but hey, Scorpion played good guy in MKD, so I don't see why they couldn't do something like that. Or maybe even Reptile or even have someone like Reiko come back and join the good guys.

These ideas are pretty far out there but I think it might be cool for MK to have a bad ass hero. It might work and it might not but whatever we'll see what happens.
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04/30/2005 02:18 PM (UTC)
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Scorpion didn't turn good in MKD.

In fact, the Elder gods care less about the aligmnet of the fighters as long as they serve their purposes.
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04/30/2005 07:00 PM (UTC)
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red_dragon Wrote:
I think Sub Zero has the most potential to become main hero at this point. Although I'd personally choose Kung Lao, Sub Zero has had so much build up over the last two games. He has:

Taken over leading the Lin Quei, and reformed them as good guys.

Gained and lost a student.

Had his powers increased by the Medallion and new armour.

Discovered new facts about his ancestry, and that he may not be 100% human.

Was considered the biggest threat to Onaga's rule, and the most effort was made to bring Sub down.

Now found out that his older brother is alive, and evil in the form of Noob, and in control of his best friend.

If this is not enough to put him in the lead for running of next MK hero, I don't know what is. Plus one thing he has over Scorpion, although both are MK icons. Scorpion is NEUTRAL, neither good nor evil. Sub Zero is a hero.

By the way, someone mentioned Li Mei holding off the good guys for Onaga. I really don't think that ending will turn out to be canon.


Im going to have to say Sub-Zero as well.

1. He's me fav charactergrin
2. He will for sure be stronger in MK7 because his strenth has been increasing since MKDA.

Another candadate I feel could be the hero is Rain because he will be a major underdog going into MK7 and he might surprise us all.wink Rain aint no whore and when he makes his return it wont be to get his ass whipped, it will be to whip somebody's ass!furious

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04/30/2005 07:44 PM (UTC)
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Yes, Sub-Zero is already the powerfullest mortal dfending the planet.
however I disagree on Rain. He doesn't have anything unique except a standard elemental power what is not so unique if you think about it. Both Sub-Zero, Raiden and Fujin are related to weather or water powers.
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04/30/2005 08:08 PM (UTC)
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i think either scorpion or sub zerogrin
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Thellin
05/05/2005 11:54 PM (UTC)
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I hope the next Mortal Kombat hero will be Lui Kang , Lui is the head of the good for a long time, that would be stupid to make him loose the lead of good, because he was the strongest of them all, when he'll return from death i think they'll put him stronger that he was, not weaker.

So thats why I think he'll stay the leader of the good.


Sorry if my English is not good, I speak french normaly, and it's my first post...
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boiondaloose911
05/09/2005 10:26 PM (UTC)
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I think it will b a gurl fer a change either Kitana or Sonya because they both play a huge roll in the good side and with Lui Kang being a zombie thing from Mortal Kombat: Deception i think it COULD b Kung Lao but thats so been done...u kno the whole guy over gurl thing and im a guy im just pullin fer the gurls!
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