Why is Triborg more popular than Khameleon (the female one)?
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Why is Triborg more popular than Khameleon (the female one)?
07/20/2016 06:59 PM EST
Triborg was voted one of the most popular new characters on this site. Khameleon however doesn't seem that popular. Yet, isn't Triborg essentially the cyber equivalent? So what's the deal?

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07/20/2016 07:28 PM EST
Why are you even drawing a comparison? Triborg is recent, the cyborgs are popular characters, the fatalities and brutalities are excellent, they even have unique special moves that their previous incarnations didn't have.

Khameleon appeared in two games and didn't have anything special about her. No fatalities, no unique special moves. Even the spelling of her name is a single letter off the male version.

Rather than challenging people you should state why you believe Khameleon is better than Triborg.
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07/20/2016 07:47 PM EST
I personally believe her existence waters down Reptile's story. Reptile's whole thing is he's the last of his kind, working for other more powerful beings in the hope that his race may be restored. She negates his struggle and takes away a tragic aspect of the character that makes people route for him.

Tri-borg is just a fun one off(for now), that, if they so choose to, could be a catalyst for a cyber ninja revival. I've long thought that one of the personalities he's fused with could take control(likely Sektor or Smoke) and continue their respective arc. Fan service character or not, the potential's there. He doesn't negate drama, he could be the cause of it.

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07/21/2016 08:27 AM EST
The C/Kameleons need to come back, and the Triborg template could easily be the mechanic by which they return to playable status. i.e. Each "variation" (if that mechanic returns) has a theme with moves borrowed from each 'ninja' as opposed to each 'cyborg'

It's a pretty flimsy link, but there you have it, speculation at its best. Obviously something as good as this will never happen; all my predictions and wishes are 100% wrong every time when it comes to this.
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RE: Why is Triborg popular than Khameleon (the female one)?
07/21/2016 11:08 AM EST
In reply to Warbro666

Reptile, Smoke, Jade and Noob also lacked unique moves in their first appearances. Smoke unlike those three was only finally given unique moves in MK9, nearly 20 years after his first appearance. The ever-so requested Fujin can be pretty much called Airmac right now. So why exactly couldn't Khameleon be improved, too?

As for her name, so what if it's just someone else's with a different letter? It still sounds much better than Triborg, easily one of the dorkiest names ever.


In reply to Detox

Reptile's story about being the last of his kind has grown old, to me. He is long overdue for some development, and his MKX ending could finally lead to that. Khameleon could easily fit into that storyline.

I also disagree about making Triborg canon. You say Khameleon undermines Reptile's existence? Triborg would undermine all three cyborgs' individual identities. Khameleon doesn't exist at the other three female ninjas' expense.


In reply to Picklemendip

Why would you want Khameleon to remain an hybrid of all female ninjas? Especially if we already had all of them, which was the case in both MKT and MKA? Imo, the ninja needs to be completely purged from both her design and moveset.


To conclude, what I think Khameleon can be that Triborg can't: A female monster. With an individual reptilian design, she could truly stand out as a female character. We need more freakish gals, and Khameleon can easily be that. And as I said, Khameleon unlike Triborg doesn't have to exist at other characters' expense. She can add more to Reptile's storyline. What can Triborg contribute to any cyborgs' story other than to lazily lump them together? It was bad enough when they made Smoke Noob's mindless drone in MKD, but three individual characters reduced to that? That's a new low.
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RE: Why is Triborg popular than Khameleon (the female one)?
07/21/2016 01:09 PM EST
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In reply to Detox

Reptile's story about being the last of his kind has grown old, to me. He is long overdue for some development, and his MKX ending could finally lead to that. Khameleon could easily fit into that storyline.

I also disagree about making Triborg canon. You say Khameleon undermines Reptile's existence? Triborg would undermine all three cyborgs' individual identities. Khameleon doesn't exist at the other three female ninjas' expense.




I agree Reptile's story needs to be pushed forward, but I don't think just stumbling upon a bunch of Raptors(along with Khameleon) is the way to go.

Triborg would undermine the three cyborg's existence, which is why I suggested one of the personalities become self aware and take over. Ideally Smoke would be the one to take over. That way, it sets right the stupidity of MK9, Enenra would still have Smoke's human form, Sektor is likely backed up somewhere, and Cyrax is in hiding after surviving the explosion that killed the cyber Lin Kuei. Harmony.

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07/21/2016 01:34 PM EST
So you say Khameleon can exist without being a copy of other female characters, why can't Triborg?

If they keep variations, they could easily develop a story that he develops his own cyborg tech as he finds the original three to be not strong enough.

Give him machine guns for one, lasers for another, portals, acid, electricity, napalm, whatever.

Your argument isn't very valid. All those characters you mentioned have had multiple appearances over various games and have been developed in each. Khameleon never has. You didn't ask how much potential she has, you asked why people like Triborg more than her.
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RE: Why is Triborg popular than Khameleon (the female one)?
07/21/2016 06:56 PM EST
*edit* second thoughts...

You work with what you got...not what you hope for.

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RE: Why is Triborg popular than Khameleon (the female one)?
07/21/2016 11:17 PM EST
The female monster like characters are always unpopular
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RE: Why is Triborg popular than Khameleon (the female one)?
07/22/2016 05:11 AM EST
diirecthit Wrote:
The female monster like characters are always unpopular


Yeah totes. Mileena has no fans.
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RE: Why is Triborg popular than Khameleon (the female one)?
07/22/2016 06:18 AM EST
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In reply to Picklemendip

Why would you want Khameleon to remain an hybrid of all female ninjas? Especially if we already had all of them, which was the case in both MKT and MKA? Imo, the ninja needs to be completely purged from both her design and moveset.

I didn't actually say i wanted that, just that it would be easy to implement. Just say, for example, that she had a Kitana variant, a Mileena variant, a Jade variant and a Tanya variant - just like Triborg does now. The string kombos would be unique but the specials she would borrow from the kharacter she's emulating in that variation. It wouldn't be hard to conceptualise or realise. I think that's why this idea gets compared to Triborg; that's all i meant.
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07/22/2016 10:00 AM EST
Warbro666 Wrote:
diirecthit Wrote:
The female monster like characters are always unpopular


Yeah totes. Mileena has no fans.


She's humanoid, slap a mask on her face and she looks like any other female, genius. OP is asking for a reptilian female character
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07/22/2016 01:01 PM EST
diirecthit Wrote:
The female monster like characters are always unpopular


D'Vorah says hi.
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07/22/2016 10:36 PM EST
I would say Khameleon being in only 2 games doesn't help her out, but more importantly she has only been on Nintendo MK games (MK Trilogy 64 and MKA Wii) which also does not help.

Triborg while only in one game, has had the luxury of being on a current gen game that is very popular and sold very well. I would be willing to bet there are a handful of MK fans (Not talking about people like us who could practically teach a class on MK lol) who probably don't even know there is a female chameleon (khameleon)

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07/23/2016 05:51 AM EST
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Triborg while only in one game, has had the luxury of being on a current gen game that is very popular and sold very well. I would be willing to bet there are a handful of MK fans (Not talking about people like us who could practically teach a class on MK lol) who probably don't even know there is a female chameleon (khameleon)


Probably as many who don't know about male Chameleon. He's not exactly been in loads of games either.
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RE: Why is Triborg popular than Khameleon (the female one)?
07/23/2016 08:46 AM EST
Chameleon was in UMK3, MKT and MK:A wink and he is mentioned by Reptile in MKX mirror match so who's Khameleon ?
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RE: Why is Triborg popular than Khameleon (the female one)?
07/23/2016 02:12 PM EST
Because MKX is fun to play.
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RE: Why is Triborg popular than Khameleon (the female one)?
07/24/2016 10:53 AM EST
Tri-borg is more popular because he was playable in the most recent MK, and brought back 4 of the most popular characters that were missing from MKX into one character. He was an amalgam character that people actually wanted. Khameleon was a joke amalgam character from Mortal Kombat Trilogy exclusive to the N64 version, and later exclusive to the Wii Armageddon.

The only difference between K and C is that K had an actual ending and story. While the character was admittedly cool, she had less audience exposure and ultimately does not have the cool factor of Tri-borg. If Khameleon was in MKX instead of Tri-borg, or maybe WITH Tri-borg as DLC, who knows...maybe she would've beaten him out. I prefer Tri-borg. Tri-borg is more popular simply because he is. He has more appeal.
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07/29/2016 03:17 PM EST
People are more likely to get behind a badass cyborg than a character who's fatality consisted of eating ice cream and watching Lifetime.
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RE: Why is Triborg popular than Khameleon (the female one)?
08/26/2016 09:30 AM EST
I hope they will introduce us Khameleon in the next game, designed like a reptilian green skin but more humanoid face, like in Reptiles mkx ending. With a reptile-ish moveset, like a snake moving sometimes on her knees amd hands on the ground, jumping over the opponents and climbing walls easily would be fun. But all these.in a sexy and feminine way. I am sure she would be a new favourite to mk fans. :)
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RE: Why is Triborg popular than Khameleon (the female one)?
08/29/2016 05:39 PM EST
a) Triborg has talked and has some sense of humour.
b) Triborg isn't a Nintendo exclusive.
c) Triborg is a cheap attempt to slam 3(4) MK9 movesets/characters into MKX
d) Khameleon hasn't actually done anything.
e) So far with the lack of interaction between her and anyone, is she (and Chameleon) even canon at this point? Bo Rai Cho hinting to another reptile and a MKX portrait isn't enough.

To be fair, Khameleon is more popular than Meat, Chameleon and probably a fair few others. Which is impressive for a palette swap character that couldn't change colour in her 1st appearance and had a paragraph of story bolted on.

Its not surprising that Triborg is more popular. MKX was great and pretty much handled most of the characters well. Khameleon has only appeared in a weak MK Trilogy port and MK Armageddon Wii.

Edit: Also if you want female Reptile, you will get a new character. Khameleon is Female Chameleon. A moveset based on the special moves of Kitana, Mileena, Jade, Tanya and Skarlet.
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RE: Why is Triborg popular than Khameleon (the female one)?
08/30/2016 03:58 PM EST
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Edit: Also if you want female Reptile, you will get a new character.


What would be so bad about that? I'd really like to know why some people think she absolutely has to be an hybrid of the other female ninjas. Scorpion's moveset wasn't a vital part of Smoke's character. Reptile was pretty much like Chameleon in the first game, having nothing unique to him besides his own color and a green skeleton. If these two can be individualized, why couldn't Khameleon?

Anyway, for a new design, I was thinking that she could look similar to the X-Men movies' Mystique, but being reptilian, she wouldn't have hair nor breasts.
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08/31/2016 05:26 AM EST
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JohnBoyAdvance Wrote:
Edit: Also if you want female Reptile, you will get a new character.


What would be so bad about that? I'd really like to know why some people think she absolutely has to be an hybrid of the other female ninjas..


Because thats the gimmick. Anything else. Unique costume and moves should be used for a new character.

Hell I think if Shujinko comes back he should literally be Edgemaster. With Robot arms if hes doing Goro, Kintaro or Sheeva. Because that would be interesting.

I was there when Khameleon was revealed for Armageddon and she was a literal Rule 63 of Chameleon. The rage was delicious. And yet it makes the most sense.
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