Without Quan Chi, how will the revenants be brought back human again?
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posted12/24/2015 01:12 PM (UTC)by
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Immortal_Kanji
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12/06/2010 07:41 PM (UTC)
The story mode could've at least give us a sign that there can be another way to bring back the other revenants after Jax, Sub-Zero and Scorpion.
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KenshiMaster16
12/14/2015 10:16 PM (UTC)
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Vogel put it best; "We'll figure it out."

In other words, even they don't know. lol
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12/14/2015 10:23 PM (UTC)
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...magic?
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12/14/2015 10:39 PM (UTC)
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Through the power of friendship. If they hold hands together and confess their love and how much their friendship means anything can happen even going back to being a human.

In all seriousness nothing in the lore has suggested that they can be brought back to being humans again but I am sure if NRS wants it so they can make it happen like with Sub-Zero becoming a human again.
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12/14/2015 10:40 PM (UTC)
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Dark Raiden. He has both the healing powers of "standard" Raiden and the sorcery of Shinnok /Quan Chi when he got the corruption from the Jinsei
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KungLaodoesntsuck
12/14/2015 10:58 PM (UTC)
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Who even cares anymore? They'll just make up some dumb excuse like always because there's no logic in MK to begin with.
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Dantesd94
12/15/2015 01:01 AM (UTC)
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Clearly some revenants will be revived, no matter if its a dumb way, MK has never really been about science, soo lets speculate and talk. Thats what a forum is all about.

For me LIU KANG.

Apperently, the why of his Dualist Variation is because he is learning to use magic. Dark and Light magic.

This also can be seen in his intro against Quan Chi whe he says that his soccery has surpassed Shang Tsung's.

If that's not the case, even the same Shang Stung and Raiden could be involved. They just have to find an excuse to do this and in the next game, there are plenty of ways wich the story can go.
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Kung Jin uses the corruption of his years as a street thief to enter the Netherrealm. There, he discovers Kung Lao, and inspires him to utilize ancient Shaolin jazzercise techniques to sweat off his revenant pounds. Human once more, Kung Lao wanders the realms so he can lead other revenants in an intense aerobics workout that will restore them to life, and tighten their buns for the ultimate beach bod.
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12/15/2015 05:12 AM (UTC)
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Honestly I hope they don't come back to human again I really liked the revenant story line in MKX it gives the netherrealm some good representatives so I hope they stay that way. I think some will probably come back like Kung Lao I kind of see his and Kung jins ending coming true in the next game or the next comic series. But as for kitana and Liu I really hope they stay evil they are so much more interesting dead then alive and their emperor/emperess costumes in MKX were absolutely wicked!

I think earthrrealm has enough heroes now with the survivors (cage, kenshi, sonya etc) and the new kombat kids. bringing back kabal, Stryker etc would be to much but at least if they stay on the netherrealm side then there is still a place for them in the MK universe.

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12/16/2015 02:51 AM (UTC)
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Perhaps new characters for the next game can have an ability to bring back someone back to the living, human again.

I can picture someone being related to Nightwolf. If that someone can bring him back, perhaps he'll formulate a plan in bringing back the others. Liu will be left as the last one.
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12/16/2015 04:39 AM (UTC)
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They'll figure something out.
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12/16/2015 04:12 PM (UTC)
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KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:
Who even cares anymore? They'll just make up some dumb excuse like always because there's no logic in MK to begin with.


Pretty much this. I'm sure there's some amulet in some dark cave that can restore the revenants or a new character that can be created or an old character that suddenly has the power or some other lazy plot device.

Sorry to be negative, but the more I see what Vogel tweets, the more I'm convinced that neither he nor NRS care about the story at all. It's just a mode to play. Characters are killed for shock value, even though no one really dies, characters make ridiculous decisions, characters become uber-powerful or wimpy idiots at the flip of a switch.

I get the feeling they just want people to enjoy it as a fun mode and that's it. That's fine, and I get that sentiment and I'd probably agree with it if it were ten years ago maybe, but writing in video games has advanced far beyond the shlocky stuff in MK.

Instead of embracing it as a sort of fun, corny, love letter to old Kung fu flicks and whatever else inspires them, I'd love it if they really created cultures around the races, had characters that behaved realistically and showed a range of emotions, and functioned in a plot that had actual stakes and compelling twists and turns.

Until we get more engaged story telling that takes the characters and the myth is seriously, I honestly see a million ways they can write themselves out of this particular corner and none of them would be particularly well written, unique, or interesting.

Sorry (again), I know I'm baking some frownies here. I like Vogel, I do. I just wish that MK could rise to the storytelling potential that I see in it, but I guess that's probably a rather common fan refrain for s lot of series.
They could wish them back to life with the dragon balls...



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12/16/2015 07:55 PM (UTC)
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I doubt they'll be revenants forever. They'll just make it like in the original timeline, where Ermac and Ghost Liu Kang freed the heroes from Onaga's control in the original timeline.
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12/16/2015 08:00 PM (UTC)
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Baraka407 Wrote:
KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:
Who even cares anymore? They'll just make up some dumb excuse like always because there's no logic in MK to begin with.


Pretty much this. I'm sure there's some amulet in some dark cave that can restore the revenants or a new character that can be created or an old character that suddenly has the power or some other lazy plot device.

Sorry to be negative, but the more I see what Vogel tweets, the more I'm convinced that neither he nor NRS care about the story at all. It's just a mode to play. Characters are killed for shock value, even though no one really dies, characters make ridiculous decisions, characters become uber-powerful or wimpy idiots at the flip of a switch.

I get the feeling they just want people to enjoy it as a fun mode and that's it. That's fine, and I get that sentiment and I'd probably agree with it if it were ten years ago maybe, but writing in video games has advanced far beyond the shlocky stuff in MK.

Instead of embracing it as a sort of fun, corny, love letter to old Kung fu flicks and whatever else inspires them, I'd love it if they really created cultures around the races, had characters that behaved realistically and showed a range of emotions, and functioned in a plot that had actual stakes and compelling twists and turns.

Until we get more engaged story telling that takes the characters and the myth is seriously, I honestly see a million ways they can write themselves out of this particular corner and none of them would be particularly well written, unique, or interesting.

Sorry (again), I know I'm baking some frownies here. I like Vogel, I do. I just wish that MK could rise to the storytelling potential that I see in it, but I guess that's probably a rather common fan refrain for s lot of series.

Well, no one really dies in MK, except possibly Hsu Hao because NRS hate him so much. Also, I hope the current timeline completely ignores Mokap's existence, because that character had no purpose at all.

I just want characters like Jade, Kabal, and Smoke restored to normal, especially Jade.
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12/16/2015 11:00 PM (UTC)
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KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:
Who even cares anymore? They'll just make up some dumb excuse like always because there's no logic in MK to begin with.


This. I fail to see why people even contemplate stuff like this so seriously when not even NRS does.

They'll make up some lazy and vague explanation and "tada!"- revenants will be human again. Case closed and mystery solved.
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12/17/2015 05:04 PM (UTC)
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Maybe there are other necromancers in the MK universe that will be brought in. I'm sure Quan Chi and Shinnok are not the only ones with those powers to resurrect.
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12/17/2015 10:56 PM (UTC)
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Kill them. If MK has any logic left in its own bullshit lore then killing them would do it because it would release the souls of everyone imprisoned within the Revenant bodies and the Netherrealm would expel their non evil souls to the heavens. Then they could just make a request with the Gods to let them saunter back down to the mortal realms and join the fight again like JC did in MK4.

Also, so we`re all still just going along with NRS`s bullshit of treating Quan Chi`s death as if it had any impact at all?
Pretending like the Netherrealm isn’t a realm of the afterlife and he wouldn’t go right back to it once he was killed in a mortal realm? Just checking to make sure I’m on the same nonsensical page that’s all.


As others have said though at this point who gives a flying fuck.,, Because it’s certainly not NRS at this point. As I said leading up to MKX. The only ones who care about the story at this point is the small minority here. It’s best we all just let it go and accept MK as a shock value gritty gore fest fighting game now. Leave the story up to KI. Seriously read those character bios. You would think it was John Tobias or 2002 to 2005 John Vogel writing that stuff.

*shrugs*It’s done. MK is done. We loved it for the wrong reasons and now the ship is sinking.
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12/17/2015 11:13 PM (UTC)
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When was it ever stated that evil characters just respawn in the Netherrealm after their death? Every ressurection has had some kind of other explanation. Respawning in the Netherrealm has never happened. Why do people keep assuming that?

It is just the soul of evil characters that is banished to the Netherrealm, where it is turtored by Oni, who are native to the realm. Someone has to give them a new body to be resurrected.

Quan Chi is dead until someone revives him.
Cage`s story in 4 was just a movie plot. iirc.

And Netherrealm is an ``afterlife`` in MK, if you`re a bad guy you fucking go there when you die. They don`t go to the Heavens, they don`t just disappear. Bi Han Sub-Zero was bad, and went to the Netherrealm when he died. Quan Chi is fucking FROM THERE. Where the fuck is he gonna disappear to when ``killed``?!



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12/18/2015 03:52 AM (UTC)
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padawan Wrote:
When was it ever stated that evil characters just respawn in the Netherrealm after their death? Every ressurection has had some kind of other explanation. Respawning in the Netherrealm has never happened. Why do people keep assuming that?

It is just the soul of evil characters that is banished to the Netherrealm, where it is turtored by Oni, who are native to the realm. Someone has to give them a new body to be resurrected.

Quan Chi is dead until someone revives him.


The Netherrealm is Hell. The function of hell in any mythology is to net wicked and evil souls once they have passed on.

Quan Chi was never a requirement for those who died to manifest there because, it`s Hell.
Hey, when Scorpion's UMK3 bio called it Earth's Hell, maybe Shao Kahn wasn't familiar with the Netherrealm yet, and/or Quan Chi/Shinnok/Noob tricked him into attempting to steal souls from there somehow? Or his attempt to merge it with Outworld allowed them to interfere.

Maybe it was part of the Netherrealm designated for Earth's evils, and other realms have their own designated deposit zones in other areas of the Netherrealm? Various myths claim Hell has various tiers/levels. Tricking Shao into thinking Earth's Hell was a seperate realm from Netherrealm. Or he was unaware of the Netherrealm as he just claimed souls to gain power/sustain Shang, and merged everyone else into Ermac?



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12/18/2015 08:32 AM (UTC)
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They only came up with the idea of the Netherrealm when they were developing MK4 and MK Mythologies. Before those games, it didn't exist. That's why there are references to Earth's Hell in earlier games, and that characters were resurrected by characters who no longer seem to have that power (Shang Tsung and Shao Kahn).

The Netherrealm is only based upon hell. You can't assume it works in a certain way because that's how Hell works in other mythologies. It is likely true that evil souls go there after death, but as I stated earlier, it is only a soul without a body. Someone has to give that soul a body for them to be able to move around.

Let's go over the canonical resurrections:
Scorpion: resurrected by Quan Chi in MK Mythologies
Sub-Zero (Bi Han): resurrected by Quan Chi in MKII/MK (2011)
Sindel: resurrected by Shang Tsung's shadow priests in MK3, later retconned to be resurrected by Quan Chi in MK (2011).
Mileena: resurrected by Shao Kahn in UMK3, later retconned to be resurrected by Shinnok/Quan Chi in MK Trilogy/MK Gold.
Johnny Cage: resurrected with the help of Raiden (by the Elder Gods?) in MK4
Liu Kang: resurrected by Raiden in MK:D
Jax, Johnny Cage, Kitana, Kung Lao, Sonya: resurrected by Onaga in MK:D
All revenants: resurrected by Quan Chi in MK (2011)

If evil people just ended up in the Netherrealm after they died, why would they need these explanations? Why would there be need for a necromancer?
Noob Saibot`s bio in either UMK3 or Trilogy said he was from the Netherrealm.



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12/18/2015 06:36 PM (UTC)
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Yes, it says he emerges from the Netherrealm. That just means he originates from the Netherrealm. It doesn't mean he automatically reappeared there.

The bio also says he belongs to the Brotherhood of Shadow and that he worships Shinnok. So it makes sense to believe he was resurrected by Quan Chi, necromancer and leader of the Brotherhood of Shadow, instead of just reforming in the Netherrealm.
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