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03/20/2014 07:37 PM EST
I obviously mean an accent from any country in Europe. Could you just please stop being the way that you always are with the nitpicking? It's so obnoxious.
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03/20/2014 08:23 PM EST
I get that. Nonetheless the English language itself is European and the continent itself is so diverse language-wise that the "European accent" remark ends up uninformative. Transylvania is in Romania so I'd go with an accent of a Latin language. (That is; if that's where you're getting at.)
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Could you just please stop being the way that you always are with the nitpicking?
What is the way I am exactly with nitpicking? I don't think that the nitpicked person is meant to feel comfort either way. Knownly you nitpick a lot.
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03/21/2014 02:20 AM EST
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I get that.


If you knew what I meant all along, then why did you post, unless to deliberately annoy me?

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03/21/2014 02:33 AM EST
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
I get that.

If you knew what I meant all along, then why did you post, except to deliberately annoy me?

Because of what I wrote after that sentence. It just sounded so ludicrous, imagine if one would say they've got a "Pan-American accent". Don't be hysteric – you are in no place of accusing me of annoying (which isn't the case) for you do those minor corrections/clarifications a lot more often.
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03/21/2014 02:44 AM EST
Very well, I'll be a nice guy and believe you for a second that you're NOT just out to get on my nerves and you really do just need what I meant explained to you better...so let me clarify:

Zmoke Wrote:
the continent itself is so diverse language-wise that the "European accent" remark ends up uninformative. Transylvania is in Romania so I'd go with an accent of a Latin language. (That is; if that's where you're getting at.)


Transylvanian is just the most common one, because of Dracula. However, I've frequently seen accents from Western European countries like Britain and Italy on Vampire characters too. I already mentioned Raphael from Soul Calibur, yes? That guy's French.

THAT is why I kept it vague and said "European" instead of narrowing it down further. Because ANYWHERE in Europe is a valid part of the cliché.

Do you understand now?

And dude? Saying that Onaga isn't related to the Shokan is NOT a nitpick. That's kind of a major thing. The Shokan aren't even originally FROM Outworld, their realm was merged by Kahn, so how could they be the spawn of Outworld's first king pre-Kahn?

I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings when I didn't let you get away with trying to tell other people some fanfic idea you probably got off MKWiki was true to the games, but that ain't nitpicking.
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03/21/2014 03:12 AM EST
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Very well, I'll be nice a guy and believe you for a second that you're NOT just out to get on my nerves and you really do just need what I meant explained to you better...so let me clarify:
Zmoke Wrote:
the continent itself is so diverse language-wise that the "European accent" remark ends up uninformative. Transylvania is in Romania so I'd go with an accent of a Latin language. (That is; if that's where you're getting at.)

Transylvanian is just the most common one, because of Dracula. However, I've frequently seen accents from Western European countries like Britain and Italy on Vampire characters too. I already mentioned Raphael from Soul Calibur, yes? That guy's French.
THAT is why I kept it vague and said "European" instead of narrowing it down further. Because ANYWHERE in Europe is a valid part of the cliché.
Do you understand now?

You wrote that for the first time so the question is futile. Yes I do (naturally.)

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And dude? Saying that Onaga isn't related to the Shokan is NOT a nitpick. That's kind of a major thing. The Shokan aren't even originally FROM Outworld, their realm was merged by Kahn, so how could they be the spawn of Outworld's first king?

I never stated that the Shokan would necessarily be Onaga's offspring in particular. The inhabitants' interaction between the realms is neither out of the blue. It is weird that you mention that here, but you didn't do that there.

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I'm sorry I hurt your feelings when I didn't let you get away with trying to tell other people some fanfic idea you probably got off MKWiki was true to the games, but that ain't nitpicking.

What fanfic idea? I hardly ever take MK Wikia as a source for anything, and that certainly wasn't the case in this. It is nitpicking. Everyone's definitions of "major" and "minor" are varying anyway. No, you didn't hurt my feelings to start with. Well then; I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by bringing a detail up.
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03/21/2014 03:27 AM EST
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I never stated that the Shokan would necessarily be Onaga's offspring in particular.


Could've fooled me, since you literally called them "Half-Onaga".

Zmoke Wrote:
It is weird that you mention that here, but you didn't do that there..


It just seemed like the wrong place and time. I wouldn't have wanted to start yet another off-topic tangent in a thread that's, frankly, seen way too many already.
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03/21/2014 03:34 AM EST
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It is nitpicking.


nit·pick [nit-pik]

verb (used without object)
1. to be excessively concerned with or critical of inconsequential details.

verb (used with object)
2. to criticize by focusing on inconsequential details.

noun
3. a carping, petty criticism.

Whether or not the Shokan are related to Onaga is neither inconsequential, nor petty, as Onaga and Goro are both highly significant recurring characters in the MK universe.

Accusing me of being too vague about which country in Europe I'm talking about, when you should have realized that I DELIBERATELY used the word "European" to mean ANY country in Europe, IS inconsequential and petty.
(Apologies to the mods for the double-post, I meant to edit this into my previous one and hit the wrong button)
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03/21/2014 03:39 AM EST
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
I never stated that the Shokan would necessarily be Onaga's offspring in particular.

Could've fooled me, since you literally called them "Half-Onaga".

You ought to realize that I had to write that as a "shorthand" (as you say) because there are many kinds of dragons in the Mortal Kombat series.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
It is weird that you mention that here, but you didn't do that there.

It just seemed like the wrong place and time. I wouldn't have wanted to start yet another off-topic tangent in a thread that's, frankly, seen way too many already.

Yet a bigger off-topic tangent was soon to come.

But I agree, it's for the best that you didn't do that.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
It is nitpicking.

nit·pick [nit-pik]
verb (used without object)
1. to be excessively concerned with or critical of inconsequential details.
verb (used with object)
2. to criticize by focusing on inconsequential details.
noun
3. a carping, petty criticism.
Whether or not the Shokan are related to Onaga is neither inconsequential, nor petty, as Onaga and Goro are both highly significant recurring characters in the MK universe.

This is getting ridiculous. I knew that it is not confirmed directly that Onaga and Goro are related, and I explained why this relationship is probable in the post I Iinked to. Had you waited, like I do, I had worded it from "told" to "said" but you quickly went and nitpicked about it when you got the chance.

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Accusing me of being too vague about which country in Europe I'm talking about, when you should have realized that I DELIBERATELY used the word "European" to mean ANY country in Europe, IS inconsequential and petty.
(Apologies to the mods for the double-post, I meant to edit this into my previous one and hit the wrong button)

You are making such a mountain out of a molehill. That is your problem.
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03/21/2014 04:02 AM EST
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You are making such a mountain out of a molehill.


You're the one who interrupted a conversation about vampires to complain about the language I used, when there wasn't actually anything wrong with my word choice, it was a misunderstanding on your part.
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03/21/2014 04:04 AM EST
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Zmoke Wrote:
You are making such a mountain out of a molehill.

You're the one who interrupted a conversation about vampires to complain about my use of the word "European", when there wasn't actually anything wrong with it, it was a misunderstanding on your part.

I didn't interrupt it, and like I once stated, I understood it from the get-go. I explained why I brought that one up. How about carrying on soon, OK?
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03/21/2014 04:31 AM EST
I don't agree with what you just said, but in the interest of ceasing the interruption, yes, we may return to talking about vampires and centaurs and background characters and such now.

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03/21/2014 05:35 AM EST
To RE701's above post, why I did not interrupt:

RazorsEdge701 submitted the message about vampires; from the beginning to the end. (How could one interrupt another's writing in a casual forum thread? LMAO) Then, I respectively posted my thoughts about the male vampire and pointed out that there is no such thing as a "European accent", considering some actually fail to understand what Europe consists of. (For that reason, "an accent from Europe" would have fitted there a lot better.) After that, in the beginning of this page, the very conversation about vampires and different characters was actually interrupted/ended for the time being: by RE701. You've to keep it real.

Accusing me of being petty is touchy and hypocritical. With touchiness, you get drama and with drama you get prolonged off-topic arguments. If it's about whether I understood the meaning of the accent or explained my case previously; he might want to get a new pair of eyeglasses, in case he doesn't have those already, for all you've got to do is browse this page a little. It's good that the fucking derailment finally stopped...

I've been thinking about Zebron as a Centaurian. He would have a more antropomorphic head, wield a metallic wand and now (in lieu of a suit) he would carry heavy, brazen armors. He would be the second Centaurian, based on a familiar concept. The B&W stripes would be gritty and their contrast shouldn't be very glaring, having a hint of brown here and there.
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03/21/2014 07:00 AM EST
I've always had a fascination with extremely minor characters, especially in fighting games (which I guess would be obvious with my favourite being Kintaro), so there's plenty of characters I'd at least like to be acknowledged as existing again.

Hornbuckle - Whether as a new character based on the holy men in MKDA's Krypt or just having Liu's 2P costume make his trouser stripes green. I'd take either at this point.

No Face - The only Special Forces-exclusive boss I had any interest in. Problem is the idea I had for him was as a kind of pyromaniac anti-Stryker (imagine a personality like Fatman from MGS2 only replace the "making bombs is an art to me" with "starting fires is an art to me") with a flamethrower and petrol bombs instead of a gun and grenades. But Sektor already has the flamethrower and we have so many characters who use fire already.

Earth God - He's the most interesting looking of the Mythologies exclusive characters and I'd rather have him as an Earth based fighter over Tremor. Since the next game will deal with Shinnok's invasion, they have the perfect chance to reintroduce this guy, a chance I am 100% sure they will not take because no one else gives a shit about this guy.

Apep - Not as playable, though. Maybe as the teacher of a new Earthrealm martial artist if we get one, maybe even only mentioned in their bio. Not some super legendary guy like Bo, just a well-respected guy, like "I've heard he's a pretty good teacher" and got to live a happy life, just to make you think "that could have been Shujinko if Onaga hadn't stolen the last 60 or so years of his life.

Gemini - Also not as playable. Just acknowledged as still existing and working for the SF.
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03/21/2014 07:10 AM EST
Zmoke Wrote:
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
guy with a European accent, or some Twilight

There is no such thing as a European acccent.

As for the male vampire, go for it. I'm not a vampire fan but neither a vampire hater. They just ought to keep in mind the past characters, like Nitara, as well.


European consists of many countries. U can't say it's like an american accent, u have to be more specific with Europe.
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03/31/2014 02:53 AM EST
I've always been fascinated by the often talked about "Great Kung Lao." I'm not holding my breath that he'll ever be a playable character, but it would be so cool to see his battle with Goro in a cutscene flashback. You can see him in a few pics in present Kung Lao's ending in MK3, but it's just a personal wish of mine to see the legend in action.
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03/31/2014 07:02 AM EST
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I've always been fascinated by the often talked about "Great Kung Lao." I'm not holding my breath that he'll ever be a playable character, but it would so cool to see his battle with Goro in a cutscene flashback. You can see him in a few pics in normal Kung Lao's ending in MK3, but it's just a personal wish of mine to see the legend in action.

Have you not watched Kung Lao's MK9 ending? It says Kung Lao is a reincarnation of GKL. Therefore, after Kung Lao will actually unlock his memories, he may once and for all wear the GKL attire in a future game.
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03/31/2014 11:55 AM EST
Yes I've seen the ending, but that's not really what I had in mind. If present Kung Lao gets resurrected, I want him to keep his own identity from the previous games.
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03/31/2014 10:25 PM EST
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Have you not watched Kung Lao's MK9 ending? It says Kung Lao is a reincarnation of GKL. Therefore, after Kung Lao will actually unlock his memories, he may once and for all wear the GKL attire in a future game.


That ending was non-canon and is impossible.

A reincarnation is one soul reborn in a new body.

It's a somewhat famous part of MK history that Shang Tsung stole Great Kung Lao's soul when Goro killed him.

He still had it when Kung Lao was born, thus KL cannot actually be GKL's reincarnation.
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03/31/2014 10:48 PM EST
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Zmoke Wrote:
Have you not watched Kung Lao's MK9 ending? It says Kung Lao is a reincarnation of GKL. Therefore, after Kung Lao will actually unlock his memories, he may once and for all wear the GKL attire in a future game.

That ending was non-canon and is impossible.
A reincarnation is one soul reborn in a new body.
It's a somewhat famous part of MK history that Shang Tsung stole Great Kung Lao's soul when Goro killed him.
He still had it when Kung Lao was born, thus KL cannot actually be GKL's reincarnation.

The steal could very well have been retconned now, for all we know.
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04/02/2014 05:46 PM EST
I suppose it could if that ending were meant to be an actual canon event, but it's not, since, y'know, Kung Lao's dead, not beating Shao Kahn and having visions and visiting his ancestor's grave.
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04/02/2014 07:20 PM EST
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I suppose it could if that ending were meant to be an actual canon event, but it's not, since, y'know, Kung Lao's dead, not beating Shao Kahn and having visions and visiting his ancestor's grave.

That's not the point, it is common knowledge that Kung Lao is dead.

So is Smoke – yet he unlocked memories in his ending, that are canon.