Official KITANA Thread (long first post)
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posted11/02/2008 06:48 PM (UTC)by
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XiahouDun84
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What's all this then?
I was bored and figured I'd hop on the "Official character x Thread" bandwagon and make one about one of the characters that I have an unhealthy obsession with....
Kitana

Those who know me probably won't be surprised that this is an absurdly long post that goes on at great length. Hey, I made one on Sareena a while back...only fair I did one on Kitana, eh? Basically, I'm going rant about my thoughts and opinions on Kitana's progress throughout the years.
Feel free to chime in with yours.

Mortal Kombat II
Kitana made a pretty impressive splash in her MKII debut. She stood out for me in a very big way for quite a few reasons. At the time female characters in fighting games was still something of a novelty, and Sonya didn't impress me in the first one. Kitana was hot...well, Katalin Zamiar was hot, (take that people who say "Oh, how can a pixelated character be hot"). The blue bathing-suit, the legs, long jet-black hair....okay, I'll move on.

And the fans. It's easy to forget because it's become a trademark, but those were bad ass. Just thought that was so cool. She fought with fans....FANS....but they had knives in them and shit and she could fuck you up with them. I also loved her victory pose...she takes a bow with them. Just something so cool and bad ass about that. A sexy assassin with fans who takes a bow after she fucks someone up. Too cool for school.

And of course, the big thing that endeared her to be: her story. I remember being very intrigued by her in MKII. She was introduced as one of Shao Kahn's personal assassins...eg: a bad guy....but they suggest she might be up to something. Sold me. Then you find out her deal in her ending: as she was working as Kahn's assassin she learned that he had actually killed her real parents, taken over her realm, and raised her as his own daughter. And of course, that Mileena was actually a clone meant to replace her.

That by itself makes Kitana's story a lot stronger than a lot of the other characters in the series. Evil characters turning good has been kind of overdone in MK, but Kitana was the first to do it. She's raised by Shao Kahn to be his daughter and loyal assassin....serves him for thousands of years....only to find out it's all a lie. And even though this is the only life she's ever known, she decides to turn against Kahn (pretty much joining the losing side in Outworld) and vows to restore her home world. Whether out a strong sense of justice or revenge...or feeling betrayed that she'd been lied to her whole life and that Kahn tried to replace her with a clone despite years of loyal service...or overwhelming guilt over the fact she'd been killing people in the name of the man who destroyed her home....or likely all of the above.

Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3
And from here we go into MK3. Supposedly she and the other ninja characters were supposed to appear, but time ran out or they figured they could make more money by releasing an expansion...but regardless, Kitana wasn't completely absent from MK3, making little cameos in Liu Kang and Sindel's endings. Anyway, she did appear for real in UMK3, this time portrayed by Becky Gable. In retrospect, the outfit they had Kitana wearing probably didn't really suit her...but at the time, being twelve years old, I didn't mind all that much. Only thing was the bun. I hate that damn hair bun. Some will argue it makes sense to keep her hair tied up during battle...but that's why this is a fantasy. Kitana and the other female character are so cool, they can fight even with absurdly long hair flying around.

Gameplay-wise, Kitana took a step down in UMK3. I suppose it's not that surprising considering she was beast in MKII...they probably thought they had to tone her down. I'm not familiar with the tier-lists, but despite being toned down, Kitana still wasn't a terrible character. I still liked her. Too bad her Fatalities blew. That's one thing that's hindered Kitana through the years. Ever since MKII, she hasn't had very stirring or memorable finishing moves....except for maybe her Monty Python killer rabbit Animality.

Story-wise though, Kitana was going strong here. She had a lot going at this time. She herself was in trouble for killing Mileena and on the run from assassins Kahn sent after her. Among them, Jade. She also was trying to get to her brainwashed mother Sindel and turn her against Kahn and she might have also been tied with Rain. And there was Mileena who was resurrected, although we don't know for certain if they actually ran into each other at this time.

I liked the thing with Sindel. When it was just MK3, I liked the idea of her having a feud with Kitana. Nice fairy-tale element, the evil step-mother and her daughter. Course, we find out that Sindel is actually Kitana's real mother and that she really isn't evil. Nevertheless, Kitana and her mum did have a confrontation, which ended with Sindel being freed from Kahn's hold over her. Even though they don't say it, I like to think that this was indeed crucial to Shao Kahn's defeat at Liu Kang's hands. Not just because as a Kitana fan, I can therefore say "See, my favorite character did do something important." But also from a storytelling standpoint...that plot point should be crucial to the storyline.
It's nice that Kitana got a little happy ending to her saga with Sindel, but in retrospect, considering how little has been done with Sindel since, maybe it would've been better if they kept that going and developed it into an actual feud. Oh well.

Things also pan out well with Jade who proves to be a loyal friend. I like the friendship between Jade and Kitana, though I wish there was some more developement to it. We can hypothesize why Jade means a great deal to Kitana and why she valus her as a friend...Jade perhaps being the only thing in Kitana's life that wasn't a lie created by Shao Kahn. But we still know very little about Jade's side of the equation. But that's more of a Jade discussion.
We also don't know for sure how things turned out with Rain. We assume Kitana turned him against Kahn, but we don't know what happened from there. There's also the popular speculation that Rain has some kind of crush on Kitana although this has never been stated in the games. I always liked the idea and wouldn't mind if it became an actual factor. Adds some drama to the otherwise dull romance with Liu Kang and also consider that in Armageddon we see Rain is evil and going around telling people he's a Prince of Edenia.

Movies, TV shows, and other Media
I don't know if I'm a minority, but I've never been real keen on Kitana's portrayal in outside the games. Sure Talisa Soto was hot and granted in MK1, it make sense that her character would be very mysterious and not have a lot of attention given to her...but beyond that, they never really delved into what makes Kitana interesting.

Namely, that she was once genuinely loyal to Shao Kahn. They either ignore it or act as though it never happened...which leaves Kitana as little more than a very dull archetype: the noble princess. In Defenders of the Realm, I was always hoping for an episode that would involve Mileena or someone to appear and tell the other good guys that Kitana was lying to them about herself and that she was once a loyal assassin for Shao Kahn (those who read my Kitana fan fic may remember I ended up doing that scene myself). But no. Those hopes were dashed to pieces when I saw an episode that flashed back to when Kahn conquered Edenia and they showed a fully grown Kitana watching the whole thing. Damn it!

Two things I blame the TV shows and comics and stuff for are the misonceptions that 1) Kitana's loyalty to Shao Kahn only the result of some magic spell and 2) Kitana is just a typical boring princess archetype. Not only would the whole spell thing really not make a whole lot of sense, it also cheapens Kitana's story on many levels. As I said earlier, what makes Kitana's story really worth a damn, is that she was raised to be an evil, cold-blooded killer. However upon learning the truth about her past, she changed herself and became a good person. That's what makes her interesting and a developed character. What a spell does is eliminate that developement in exchange for cheap grade-school logic. It shallows Kitana's character and her story. "No, I was never evil...it was allllll just a spell."

Mortal Kombat 4/Gold
Not unlike what happened in MK3, Kitana was actually supposed to be in MK4. But this time she was left out because they felt there weren't enough new characters. So they altered her appearance a bit and made her Tanya (I wonder though, were Tanya's moves like the Flipping Split Kick and the Drill Kick meant to be Kitana's moves, or did they think of those after?). And again like in MK3, although Kitana wasn't on the roster, her presence was still felt in the story. While it was disappointing that Kitana was left out of the game, it actually might have been better. I like Tanya as a character and I remember being worried after reading Liu Kang's bio...where he attempts to rescue Kitana, but fails....that she might be dead.

Fortunately, Kitana was not and she appeared in Liu Kang's ending. This of course is where the idea of Kitana and Liu Kang being in love...which was first introduced in the movies...became part of the game's canon. I was furious about this when I first saw it. I'm not the biggest Liu Kang fan and I didn't like the idea of my girl associating with him.
However, as time went on, I grew to accept it. If you read between the lines, it does make sense that Kitana would be in love with Liu Kang. And it adds a little something extra to her story...though I do stil get irked when it's suggested or Kitana is presented as little more than "Liu Kang's girlfriend." She has a lot more going for than just Liu Kang. She brings more to Liu Kang's story than he brings to hers.

Anyway, they expanded MK4 into MK Gold with Kitana on the roster...with a recycled UMK3 outfit sans mask. I didn't own a Dreamcast, so I denied the chance to play as Kitana and the other characters who came back in Gold. Unfortunately, this is probably the weakest of Kitana's stories. She escapes her dungeon and fights to free Edenia. She also plays a part in Kung Lao & Goro's thing. I would like to have seen more of a feud with Tanya, but what really what made this was Mileena's involvement.

Kitana's rivalry with Mileena is, IMO, the best rivalry in Mortal Kombat. Some will point to the Scorpion/Sub-Zero thing...but personally, I think it's nowhere near as deep and actually kind of sloppy with the retcons and confusion. The Kitana/Mileena thing works best because you can really understand why Mileena hates Kitana so much and you can actually feel kind of bad for her. And as seen in Gold, it's not just Mileena wants to simply kill Kitana...she wants to fight and defeat her in battle. Meanwhile, Kitana doesn't purely hate Mileena. After Gold, she has Mileena imprisoned rather than having her executed which suggests that Kitana does believe Mileena can be reformed. And that's the thing with Kitana and Mileena. It's not really Mileena's fault she is the way she is. And it's not Kitana's fault either. It's a rivalry where you don't really want to see either of them lose...rather you want them realize who's really responsible for the whole thing: Shao Kahn.

Deadly Alliance
In my opinion, Kitana's indivual story in Deadly Alliance is very underrated. I wouldn't say this was her best story, but it's not as bad as some accuse it. We learn that shortly after MK4, Kitana learned that Shao Kahn had survived MK3, so she sets out with a pre-emptive strike to take him down once and for all. Allied with Goro, she cripples Shao Kahn's forces...which is what forced him to seek help from Shang Tsung...which is what led to him assassinating him with Quan Chi (course the revelation that it was a clone kind of pisses on the impact).

The last few battles against Kahn's forces end in stalmate...which Konquest suggests keeps frustrating her. The last battle leads to Goro's "death"...which was a bad blow to her, since she'd come to see him as a friend. Then of course Shao Kahn is supposedly killed and just when she thinks she can go home, she learns of the Deadly Alliance and Liu Kang's death...which no doubt was another bad blow. And despite all this, she rushes off with Kung Lao to get trained by Bo' Rai Cho to fight. Apparently, she doesn't finish her training, but ends up fighting Quan Chi anyway.

Not that bad of a storyline. I don't know about anyone else, but I found it interesting that Kitana continuously keeps pushing herself to keep fighting despite quite a lot of bad things happening to her. I played up Kitana's stress in my fan fic....maybe a little too much....but I liked that MK:DA established Kitana's tendency to overwork herself.

However MK:DA is where I started noticing complaints about Kitana's story getting stale and I also noticed the feeling that she'd been going soft. I think the soft thing has to do with Kitana being a bottom tier character gameplay-wise and also because a good deal of her story in this game is being upset over the deaths of Liu Kang and Goro. I think some felt it made her seem very weepy.

Sadly for our dear mopey Princess, things don't work our well in the battle with Quan Chi. He is a powerful sorcerer and as pointed out, Kitana was going through a lot of stress...which I'm sure Quan Chi gladly exploited to his advantage. She ends up being killed which only leads to her being resurrected and brainwashed by Onaga, which leads to....

Deception/Unchained
Even though I hated the idea of Kitana joining the growing list of characters to die and be resurrected, I saw silver-lining in the prospect of she serving Onaga. Since she was once evil, I thought the ordeal could lead to Kitana being confronted with something I'm believe always haunted her: the fear of becoming evil again. All seemed well at first...she's used to imprison Sindel. She ends up fighting Jade. Good oppurtunity to let them have the spotlight and I also liked the role-reverself of Sindel now having to deal with a brainwashed Kitana.

It was my hope that during the course of being under Onaga's control, Kitana would do something so horrible and unforgivable that when she snapped out of it...she'd freak the hell out. I thought that maybe I might get my wish when it was announced she'd be part of Unchained. The first half of her bio details being under Onaga's control and she even states that she had already killed in his name. Good, good....

Then comes the second half of her bio: while under Onaga's control, she learns the secret to his power is the Kamidogu. And she hopes to use that against him. THAT'S IT?! Made all the more pointless because it's not like the Kamidogu thing was a big secret....SHUJINKO ALREADY KNEW THAT! Made her completely superfluous and that she disregarded being under Onaga's control only enraged me. Then her ending involves a cliffhanger leading to Armageddon. One thing I did like though is that they show Kitana is getting very frustrated with constantly fighting. Playing along on the whole stress thing from MK:DA. I liked that.

Shaolin Monks
I was not pleased with Kitana's portrayal in Shaolin Monks. I was not pleased with a lot things in Shaolin Monks, but this is a Kitana thread, so I'll keep just on her...

One thing I was dreading...from the moment they announced MK:SM and released a picture of Kitana, Mileena, and Jade in a boss battle...was that they would incorporate the dreaded spell. Later, they released a video on IGN which...surprise...reveals that when you fight Kitana you have to free her from a spell. I went Super Saiyan learing that. Then I finally play the game but was pleased to learn that the story was such a trainwreck that there was no way it could be canon.

However...it ultimately doesn't matter either way. Contrary to belief, even if the whole spell thing in MK:SM is canon, it doesn't change Kitana's backstory. She was still raised by Shao Kahn. She still served him. She still turned against him. All intact. All MK:SM adds is this: at some point after learning the truth about her past, Kitana was caught and put under an evil spell to make her loyal again. All it adds is unneeded plot baggage and really just makes Kitana's story confusing. She was loyal to Kahn, then turned against him....was put under a spell to make her loyal again....then joined up with Earth's warriors.

The big thing that gets me with Kitana in Shaolin Monks is how they downgraded her into a damsel in distress. In the original story, Kitana feigns loyalty to Kahn while secretly helping Earth's warriors, then later kills Mileena and by MK3, escapes Outworld on her own to seek out Earth's heroes...establishing her as a strong, independent, and effective character, capable of walking this tightrope between both sides, fight off her deranged clone, and eventually evade the evil empire out to kill her. However in MK:SM, Kitana is shown having to be rescued from her evil spell by Liu Kang and later needs to be rescued yet again because she gets taken prisoner. Basically, they turned her into a total victim. And let's not even get into her getting chumped out by Mileena and her "romance" with Liu Kang...

But on the plus, I did like how Kitana looked in MK:SM. Her outfit was a nice update of her original MKII attire. I just wish they didn't use that damn hair bun.

Armageddon
And now finally, we come to Armageddon. It was very nice to see Kitana was vastly improved after MK:DA. Her ending was.....somehow, not even "ridiculous" seems to cover it. I gues...hopefully...we can add it to the pile of nonsensical endings that don't really mean anything and should be thought too much about.

Now we just wait for her bio. I'm very interested in what she's going to be doing. Her Unchained ending suggested she'd be the one to gather the good guys together....yet Johnny Cage is doing it. She's mentioned in Nightwolf's bio as passing the anchoring of Liu Kang's soul onto him. The impression I've gotten so far...or at least I'm hoping for...is that Kitana is setting out to do something very important or personal on her own. As I stated many, many times at great length in the months leading to Armageddon, I hope that Kitana is looking to end Shao Kahn once and for all...seeing as he is the source of all her problems.

I also hope we'll get some kind of mention of her reaction to being under Onaga's control. Won't have to be much....just something. That it was a grim reminder of her years serving Shao Kahn would suffice.

She didn't appear in Konquest...which I think is a good thing, because if she did show up, she probably would've ended up fighting Taven for no reason and only getting her ass kicked for it. I'm curious what her thoughts are on Taven, seeing as he is an Edenian figure and potential successor to Argus. There's also still Mileena, but I'm hoping Kitana will be more concerned with other things. Probably won't be brought up, but I also wonder what she thinks about Rain going around claiming he's a Prince.

The Future
I hope Kitana survives Armageddon and hopefully she is the one to destroy Shao Kahn once and for all. Or at the very least, plays a crucial role in his death. I think she's earned her happy ending...though I hope she doesn't end up with Liu Kang. Little too wish-washy for my taste. I think she should retire along with most of the "classics." However, if she should return, I can't say I'd be THAT upset.

Only thing is if they bring Kitana back they need something new for her to do. The "princess" thing has gone as far as it can go. I want Kitana to become a bad ass again. What I think should happen is during Armageddon something so horrible happens to her she renounces her title as princess and just goes rogue. The ordeal leaves her darker and more bitter, so she returns more to her assassin roots. I'd like to see where she would go from there after having her life be destroyed a second time.

Final Thoughts
Fuck...that was long.

But yeah...Kitana is my favorite character. In my opinion, she has the best storyline in MK and the best rivalry, too. She's a well-developed and interesting character with a rich history and even now still has some untapped potential. Her relationships with the numerous other characters she's interacted with are all pretty intriguing and worth exploring.
If there was a "main heroine" to Mortal Kombat, I think it would be Kitana. She's arguably the female icon of MK...as Ed Boon said, she and Mileena are probably the female Sub-Zero & Scorpion. Not that those things matters...but it's nice feather to have in her cap.

So thus ends an extremely long rant expressing my devotion to a fictional video game character.

How about you?
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Legacy
02/08/2007 10:53 PM (UTC)
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Damn XD, I think you've pretty much got all my thoughts covered. Excellent post!
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Sub-Zero_7th
02/09/2007 12:55 AM (UTC)
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lol, you crazy son of a bitch! (Not as crazy as me, of course! wink)

That was a long and amusing post. Definitely some funny bits were in it.

It's in-depth and I agree with a lot of what you're saying. Gameplay-wise, she hasn't been good in that many games. In MK2 and MKG, she is real good. In UMK3, MKT, and MKDA, she's pretty bad. In MKA, she's decent.

I think both Eagle Claw (Ying Jow Pai) and Ba Gua Zhang fit her. I personally like her with Eagle Claw better and it was better than Ba Gua in the gameplay department.

Story-wise, she definitely has a well-developed story, and I would like to see good closure with her being one of the main people in Shao Kahn's destruction. Imo, it's better for her to survive and retire from the series, perhaps having some mentioning in the stories of the next-gen MKs.

If she does return, I think she should kind of stay away from the whole Princess thing. With Taven becoming the Protector God of Edenia (at least I think that'll happen), Edenia should be much safer now. Imo, Sindel dying and Kitana taking her place as Queen of Edenia is rather predictable and makes things too easy and convienient. I'd rather Sindel stay alive and still rule as Edenia's Queen.

Kitana, tired of fighting and perhaps from such responsibilities as being Princess, should either renounce her title or something else. Maybe part of the next-gen story should involve Sindel wanting to pass on the title of Queen of Edenia to Kitana but with Kitana refusing due to having to accept a huge responsibility and get involved with political and military affairs.

So what could Kitana do? I'm not sure on the whole "going back to assassin roots" thing. Then again, perhaps she secretly enjoys or misses her assassin past in some small way. Hmm, I don't know...But I think that she could go against a path for her that she may not truly want, which would be to rule Edenia.

The Liu Kang/Kitana romance, I don't hate it, but I just want it to be properly developed. I don't think them being together in the end will work, not just because it's too sugar-coated, but it's also due to Liu's spirit not being able to stay in the living worlds for too long as well as Kitana's responsibilities in Edenia.

The friendship between Kitana and Jade needs to be explored and expanded on as you had stated. It's kind of interesting how Jade, someone who isn't related to Kitana, would be much more of an actual sister to Kitana as opposed to Mileena, Kitana's clone. I'd like to at least see Jade in the future since Kitana has had a bigger and more developed story.

There are also other characters like Mileena, Tanya, and Rain....I'm not sure about them. You know that I don't like Tanya so I'd rather she were gone. Rain, I don't know...He has potential to be in the next-gen games as a threat to Taven and Edenia and all that. Mileena...hmm...hard to say...

For the media portrayals, they were just ok... I'm not a fan of the MK Malibu comics, and I find their dialogue to be rather cheesy and phony.

I find that her appearance, fatalities, and special moves haven't really changed all that much throughout the years, and I find that kind of disappointing. Her one new move in MKA is basically a bluish/purplish version of Jade's teleport move. She did have some new moves in MKSM, which were kind of interesting.

Overall, Kitana is an iconic character in MK and one that I believe should have closure to her story with MKA.
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XiahouDun84
02/09/2007 05:28 PM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
I find that her appearance, fatalities, and special moves haven't really changed all that much throughout the years, and I find that kind of disappointing. Her one new move in MKA is basically a bluish/purplish version of Jade's teleport move. She did have some new moves in MKSM, which were kind of interesting.

I agree. That's another thing that's hindered Kitana through the years. She's yet to go real far from the "blue bathing suit" look. If she comes back in the next game, I hope she gets a revamped look. The popular thing to say is she should look more regal or princess-like...but then again, I keep saying if she comes back, she should renounce her title as princess so that kind of clashes.
But yeah, should she return, hopefully she'll get a new design and some variation from the bathing suits. Not too skanky though. Although Kitana has never dressed conservativly, that doesn't mean she should start dressing like Mileena or anything.

She really could also use some new moves, too. The teleport was a strange addition. Fan Lift....check. They improved the Fan Throw and Pretty Kick which was cool. And they brought back the Square Wave Punch, too. And for no reason, they threw in a teleport. Weird.
I do wonder if Kitana was going to have the Split & Drill kicks that in MK4 that Tanya ended up getting. Not looking to start a flame war between Kitana fans and Tanya fans...just saying if that's true, it's shame she missed out. Those would've been nice additions to her arsenal, I think.
I agree about the moves from Shaolin Monks. She had some cool looking moves there I wouldn't mind seeing if she comes back.

Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
If she does return, I think she should kind of stay away from the whole Princess thing. With Taven becoming the Protector God of Edenia (at least I think that'll happen), Edenia should be much safer now. Imo, Sindel dying and Kitana taking her place as Queen of Edenia is rather predictable and makes things too easy and convienient. I'd rather Sindel stay alive and still rule as Edenia's Queen.

Kitana, tired of fighting and perhaps from such responsibilities as being Princess, should either renounce her title or something else. Maybe part of the next-gen story should involve Sindel wanting to pass on the title of Queen of Edenia to Kitana but with Kitana refusing due to having to accept a huge responsibility and get involved with political and military affairs.

I agree that if Taven becomes Protector of Edenia, that's more reason Kitana should get something new to do. Having her renounce the title because she's sick of the responsiblity is an interesting alternative to my (DESTROY EVERYTHING) idea, and it plays along with Kitana's growing frustration with constantly fighting.


Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
So what could Kitana do? I'm not sure on the whole "going back to assassin roots" thing. Then again, perhaps she secretly enjoys or misses her assassin past in some small way. Hmm, I don't know...But I think that she could go against a path for her that she may not truly want, which would be to rule Edenia.

I think there might be a small part of Kitana that misses the "old days." That was another thing I was hoping might explored because of her enslavement by Onaga.
But my idea is based more on her bitterness if Edenia was destroyed. Like the she at first believed that she was Shao Kahn's daughter and she served him. That life fell apart, but she managed to pick up the pieces and build a new life as Princess of Edenia. Now if that life goes down the toilet, I see Kitana entering more of a "fuck it" state of mind.

Maybe she doesn't even keep fighting. Like in the next gen games, we learn Kitana spends most of her time stewing in bars trying to drown her sorrows away and the story of MK8...whatever that may be...forces her to fight again. And when she does fight, she reverts more to her harder, assassin-like ways because she doesn't care anymore.

Could also create friction with Jade. Like if Edenia's destroyed, Jade might want to keep trying to rebuild and not give up...but Kitana says she's done and can't do it anymore.


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Rain, I don't know...He has potential to be in the next-gen games as a threat to Taven and Edenia and all that. Mileena...hmm...hard to say...

Like I've often said, if Mileena comes back, she needs to get over her hatred for Kitana. It's time she moved on, even if Kitana happens to return.
If Tanya comes back, I think they should develope a rivalry with Jade and/or Mileena and see where that goes.
And Rain....the fact that he's evil and claiming he's a Prince has made me more interested in the idea that he has a crush on Kitana. Like if he insists they should be together because he is...or believes he is...royalty. But that's only if either of them even come back, of course.


But I do agree that, whether she comes back or not, she should get closure in Armageddon by destroying Shao Kahn. Even if this isn't her last game, I'd like if we get closure for the "Shao Kahn is ruining my life" era of her storyline.
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Sub-Zero_7th
02/09/2007 10:14 PM (UTC)
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
I agree. That's another thing that's hindered Kitana through the years. She's yet to go real far from the "blue bathing suit" look. If she comes back in the next game, I hope she gets a revamped look. The popular thing to say is she should look more regal or princess-like...but then again, I keep saying if she comes back, she should renounce her title as princess so that kind of clashes.
But yeah, should she return, hopefully she'll get a new design and some variation from the bathing suits. Not too skanky though. Although Kitana has never dressed conservativly, that doesn't mean she should start dressing like Mileena or anything.


Yeah, the whole bathing suit thing is rather out of place for Kitana, regardless of what Edenia is like. This also applies to Jade, Sindel, and Tanya, who are also known for wearing bathing suit-type costumes.

I think a regal type costume wouldn't work regardless of the story. If she's going to wear something, it should be some kind of royal battle armor or something along those lines. I actually like a lot of Chrome's designs for many of the characters he's done, and Kitana's design was pretty good.

One thing I want to bring up, which is somewhat OT, is about Mileena. I'm not sure if it was you who said it, but it was brought up about how Mileena dresses kind of the opposite of Kitana in that she dresses with less revealing clothes. I find that kind of strange if she were to pose as Kitana during MKD.

Bo' Rai Cho: Gee Princess.. How come you're wearing hot pink now?

Mileena: Errr...uh....I got sick of blue, ok??

I also have to wonder about the events that happened between MKD and MKA. It seems that Mileena no longer resides in Edenia so they probably figured out that she's not Kitana. I hope Kitana's and/or Mileena's bios will reveal that.

XiahouDun84 Wrote:
She really could also use some new moves, too. The teleport was a strange addition. Fan Lift....check. They improved the Fan Throw and Pretty Kick which was cool. And they brought back the Square Wave Punch, too. And for no reason, they threw in a teleport. Weird.
I do wonder if Kitana was going to have the Split & Drill kicks that in MK4 that Tanya ended up getting. Not looking to start a flame war between Kitana fans and Tanya fans...just saying if that's true, it's shame she missed out. Those would've been nice additions to her arsenal, I think.
I agree about the moves from Shaolin Monks. She had some cool looking moves there I wouldn't mind seeing if she comes back.


Yeah, the Pixie Dust Teleport (what the fuck kinda name is that??) was not needed considering she has her Square Wave Punch. The Fan Throw is a pretty damn good projectile in MKA as it's pretty fast and hits mid and all that. I'm not sure if those particular moves were meant to be for Kitana. It's more likely that they came after Tanya's creation, but that's a good question. The same can be pondered for Reiko, whose spot was originally going to be filled by Noob Saibot's.

How about a move that's similar to Baraka's Spinning Blades in which she twirls around with her fans? I would've loved for her to have the Air Fan Throw, kind of like how Sub-Zero had the Air Ice Clone in MKA.

XiahouDun84 Wrote:
I agree that if Taven becomes Protector of Edenia, that's more reason Kitana should get something new to do. Having her renounce the title because she's sick of the responsiblity is an interesting alternative to my (DESTROY EVERYTHING) idea, and it plays along with Kitana's growing frustration with constantly fighting.


Yeah. Her getting confined to the whole Edenia plot would most likely lead her story to redundancy, kind of like with Scorpion's story, and we both know how much his story blows.

Not only does separating Kitana from Edenia and its troubles give Taven more of a spotlight, but it also helps with Sindel and Jade, who I both want alive. I feel that Sindel, like Smoke and some others, has not gotten enough room to grow and develop.

I know how in your story, you had Jade be somewhat like Samurai Jack in that she's in Outworld and trying to find her way back to Edenia. I think that she can be fine in the Edenian plot given that we really see some insights into her feelings and all that.

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I think there might be a small part of Kitana that misses the "old days." That was another thing I was hoping might explored because of her enslavement by Onaga.
But my idea is based more on her bitterness if Edenia was destroyed. Like the she at first believed that she was Shao Kahn's daughter and she served him. That life fell apart, but she managed to pick up the pieces and build a new life as Princess of Edenia. Now if that life goes down the toilet, I see Kitana entering more of a "fuck it" state of mind.

Maybe she doesn't even keep fighting. Like in the next gen games, we learn Kitana spends most of her time stewing in bars trying to drown her sorrows away and the story of MK8...whatever that may be...forces her to fight again. And when she does fight, she reverts more to her harder, assassin-like ways because she doesn't care anymore.

Could also create friction with Jade. Like if Edenia's destroyed, Jade might want to keep trying to rebuild and not give up...but Kitana says she's done and can't do it anymore.


I too hoped that Kitana and the others would be affected after Onaga's control over them and that they would all reflect on their experiences as his slaves.

Let's say that in the next-gen story that Kitana is trying to drown her sorrows. Perhaps instead of going to bars, she simply isolates herself from others. Maybe a big part of her next-gen story could simply be for her to find and forge her own path in life as opposed to eventually taking her mother's place as Queen of Edenia. From here, I would not mind it if she went back to her more assassin-like ways, but only because she has the killer edge returned.

Even more so, returning to her assassin-like ways could probably give her even more reason to use Eagle Claw again. It is a vicious style despite its gracefulness.

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Like I've often said, if Mileena comes back, she needs to get over her hatred for Kitana. It's time she moved on, even if Kitana happens to return.
If Tanya comes back, I think they should develope a rivalry with Jade and/or Mileena and see where that goes.
And Rain....the fact that he's evil and claiming he's a Prince has made me more interested in the idea that he has a crush on Kitana. Like if he insists they should be together because he is...or believes he is...royalty. But that's only if either of them even come back, of course.


Yeah, I agree that Mileena should get over Kitana, but judging by her ending, regardless of how silly most of the MKA endings are, it seems to me that even now, after all this time, she still hasn't gotten over her.

If Kitana and Mileena were to be in the next-gen story, with Kitana being a rogue assassin-like warrior or whatever, it could be interesting for the two to cross paths. With Kitana not giving a shit about the title of Princess of Edenia, it could come as a surprise to Mileena, and maybe Mileena will try to fill that role herself. I'm not really sure what could be done from there.

Rain being evil and claiming he's a Prince makes him out to be a bit delusional, but maybe he is. I'm not sure how an interaction with Kitana would work. You know...given his return in MKA and the potential he has, I think it may be good for him to return...

Going back to Mileena, I simply just don't want them to really have anything to do with each other, at least not for a long while.
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02/10/2007 04:32 AM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
If Kitana and Mileena were to be in the next-gen story, with Kitana being a rogue assassin-like warrior or whatever, it could be interesting for the two to cross paths. With Kitana not giving a shit about the title of Princess of Edenia, it could come as a surprise to Mileena, and maybe Mileena will try to fill that role herself. I'm not really sure what could be done from there.

Going back to Mileena, I simply just don't want them to really have anything to do with each other, at least not for a long while.

I also think if Kitana and Mileena both return, they should have nothing to do with each other for a while. Let them both go their separate ways and let their stories develope by themselves. After a few games, THEN you can have them run into each other. It'd be interesting to see how they would react to each other and the changes they've gone through. It would just depend on what happens to them.


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One thing I want to bring up, which is somewhat OT, is about Mileena. I'm not sure if it was you who said it, but it was brought up about how Mileena dresses kind of the opposite of Kitana in that she dresses with less revealing clothes. I find that kind of strange if she were to pose as Kitana during MKD.

I also have to wonder about the events that happened between MKD and MKA. It seems that Mileena no longer resides in Edenia so they probably figured out that she's not Kitana. I hope Kitana's and/or Mileena's bios will reveal that.

I like to believe that when Mileena masqueraded as Kitana she DID dress like her and acted like her. And the picture in her ending which shows her giving orders to Bo' Rai Cho...I prefer to suspend disbelief and think the MK team just didn't bother to render Mileena in disguise for that one picture.

I have a feeling Mileena's masquerade has been found out by now since she was wandering around Shao Kahn's fortress. I suspect the details will be revealed in the bios.
I'm glad about that. For one, it means revealing Mileena's masquerade won't be Kitana's primary concern...which will allow her to do more imprtant things. Another thing is I never agreed when people were speculating that Mileena was just going to slide into Edenia's throne with no trouble and that Kitana was going to have to struggle to get it back. Kitana herself, in addition to Sindel and Jade were all still alive. All they have to do is find the army and go "Hey guys...that's not me" and Mileena's screwed.


Something I would've liked to have seen get more developed is Kitana's relationship with Shao Kahn. This has been brought up in the past, I always found Kitana and Shao Kahn's bizarre father-daughter/love-hate relationship very interesting.

Why would Shao Kahn decide to not only keep this infant child alive...but raise her as his own and have her trained to be one of his personal assassins? Just an insult to Jerrod? Was Kitana somehow crucial to Shao Kahn and his plans in some way? Consider that he attempted to replace her with Mileena because he feared what would happen if she learned the truth. If she was useless to him and a potential thread, why not just get rid of her...why attempt to replace her? To try and replace her proves that he wanted or needed Kitana around in some way, shape, or form.

I think there is some love/hate feelings between the two. I think before learning the truth about her past, Kitana did genuinely love him as her father and really did try to impress him as a fighter. And I think Kahn does deep down have some feeling for Kitana...even if he expresses it in a fucked up way.

It's too bad we might not see the full potential of this. Perhaps we'll get a little bit of insight in Armageddon, but I doubt w'll get much, if anything. Maybe they can release a prequel adventure game that can explore it...hopefully with a coherant story, unlike Shaolin Monks. Adds interesting depth, not just to Kitana but Shao Kahn, too. That he has some strange sympathy for Kitana...and Sindel, too...makes him seem more than just a standard evil megalomaniac.
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Sub-Zero_7th
02/10/2007 03:39 PM (UTC)
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Well yeah, that's exactly what I meant regarding Kitana and Mileena. They should go their own ways for a few games and then cross paths later on.

Now that you brought it up, I am glad that Mileena's masquerade had been discovered. Although...I'm not fond of the idea of her being in Shao Kahn's fortress. I felt that was kind of random. I'm sure (at least, I hope) her bio will explain that.

Then there's the whole relationship between Shao Kahn and Kitana. Shao Kahn, as you probably know, is one of my favorites. There is definitely more to him than just some evil meglomaniac. He's also a cunning tactician, a trait that is extremely important if you're going to be successful as an evil emperor and chief military commander.

Although, I do know you were more referring to his personality...I think that Shao Kahn has a thing for exceptional women, which I'm sure Kitana and Sindel are to him.

My guess for Shao Kahn wanting to spare and raise Kitana could be as an insult to Jerrod but also for him to raise someone who would willingly be loyal to him. I think Kitana might also have been kind of a backup. You know...if something were to happen to Shao Kahn, then Kitana, who would be unquestionably loyal to him, would take his place.

I would love to see a backstory game on Shao Kahn, more so than I would with Kitana. There's a lot more than we don't know about Shao Kahn, especially regarding what race he is, how he came to join Onaga's forces, etc. etc.
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02/13/2007 07:22 PM (UTC)
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i like Kitana. a lot, actaually, more than Mileena. Mileena's attacks imo are cooler, but her story is garbage compared to Kitanas.

In MK2 i loved her kiss of death fatality. I thought it looked awesome, as did she. I liked her storyline as well.

MK3 gave her a much better storyline because she learns that Shao Kahjn took over Edenia! I liked her new look as well.

MKG let her learn that Mileena was her clone, and i liked that. She didn't change much, though.

MKDA gave her her own look from Mileena, and it looked awesome! Her story was good, but it now starts to falter.

MKA gave her a lackluster story imo. Still, it was pretty good.

I love Kitana, but i hope she's not in MK8.smile
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Sub-Zero_7th
02/13/2007 08:54 PM (UTC)
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i like Kitana. a lot, actaually, more than Mileena. Mileena's attacks imo are cooler, but her story is garbage compared to Kitanas.

In MK2 i loved her kiss of death fatality. I thought it looked awesome, as did she. I liked her storyline as well.

MK3 gave her a much better storyline because she learns that Shao Kahjn took over Edenia! I liked her new look as well.

MKG let her learn that Mileena was her clone, and i liked that. She didn't change much, though.

MKDA gave her her own look from Mileena, and it looked awesome! Her story was good, but it now starts to falter.

MKA gave her a lackluster story imo. Still, it was pretty good.

I love Kitana, but i hope she's not in MK8.smile


Huh?

Kitana learned about that stuff during her years as one of Shao Kahn's assassins, not during MK3 and MKG...

How'd you get those ideas?

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MyQueenSindel
02/13/2007 09:17 PM (UTC)
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honestly, Kitana being such an amazingly original character, I always pictured her having a better future in DOA where the ladies are more appreciated. small opinion.
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Shinnok-fan64
02/13/2007 11:32 PM (UTC)
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never mind, thenwink
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Hikari715
02/13/2007 11:36 PM (UTC)
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Kitana's my favorite character.

I remember selecting her for the first time playing MK2 the first time. Loved her look and enjoyed using her. I also remember performing her Kiss of Doom fatality. Ah yes...

IMO, her MK2 and MKDA primary outfits were her best looks yet. Her MKDA alt (Yes I do like her alt though it should've been blue and have her face fixed) and MKSM look were great

Great post XD84. I agree most in the storyline parts, too.

I felt she was fun to use in MK2 and MKDA. UMK3, yeah, she wasn't great much but still okay in my book. I never played MKG nor I owned a Dreamcast but when I saw her MKG fatalities, imagine my disappointment. MKSM, she was pretty pitiful and I hated the MKSM version of her Kiss of Doom fatality. Always having the same fatalities- Kisses of Doom and fan decapitations... -_-

Personally I don't think Kitana should come back to next gen MK. She should retire happily as Queen of Edenia or, as XD84 said, if she was to come back, have Edenia destroyed.
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QueenSindel(TheBitch)
02/15/2007 08:16 AM (UTC)
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Kitana has always been a flat character to me. There really isn't anything eye-popping about her. Mileena got's that surprising hideous mouth, and Jade has all those cool mystical moves, so Kitana is at the bottom of the female ninja food chain for me.

I think if they give her better moves and a more fierce appearance, she can make it to the top, though. I still don't understand why she's the most popular female. And she acts like your average delicate, reserved woman (Except in MKD konquest). I hate that about her.
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XiahouDun84
02/15/2007 06:06 PM (UTC)
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QueenSindel(TheBitch) Wrote:
There really isn't anything eye-popping about her. Mileena got's that surprising hideous mouth, and Jade has all those cool mystical moves, so Kitana is at the bottom of the female ninja food chain for me.

...um...the fans? Those stood out.
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I still don't understand why she's the most popular female. And she acts like your average delicate, reserved woman (Except in MKD konquest). I hate that about her.

You say that a lot, but what are you basing that on? Aside from the movies(which were bullshit), where has Kitana been presented as a weak and delicate woman?
In her backstory, shge loyally served Shao Kahn for thousands of years as one of his personal assassins.
In MK2, she was feigning loyalty to Kahn while secretly helping Earth's fighters. Eventually fights and kills Mileena.
In MK3, she escapes Outworld by herself, evading assassins sent to kill her. She then convinces Jade to join her and later restores Sindel's memories.
In MK4, she's taken prisnoer by Shinnok, only to escape herself and help free Edenia. She also has another confrontation with Mileena, that ends with Mileena in prison.
In MK:DA, we find out she's been leading her armies alongside Goro in a war against Shao Kahn's forces. Then even after Goro's "death" and learning Liu Kang died, she goes off to get trained by Bo' Rai Cho and ends up fighting Quan Chi.
I'm not seeing Kitana as any more or less weak and delicate than any of the other female characters in this picture here.
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XiahouDun84
02/27/2007 06:23 PM (UTC)
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Took this from the Jade thread since I don't wnt to hijack that topic...
QueenSindel(TheBitch) Wrote:
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
QueenSindel: How is Kitana the "delicate" type, considering that she spent thousands of years as Shao Kahn's personal assassin, eventually leaving his side, having to deal with hardship and hardship?

She can kill whomever or go through whatever problems, but the truth is, Kitana's persona consists mostly of a typical, old-fashioned, delicate female.
Evertime she appears speaking, she's always so soft-spoken with little or no attitude. The only time she really showed some strength or aggressiveness in her personality was probably in MK: Shaolin Monks.
Even in the movies, she was depicted very reserved and delicate. Yes, she can kick ass and be a very bold warrior, but when it comes to her personality, it's just weak and delicate.
I'm not trying to say that I hate her. I simply want more fierceness from her.
In most of her pictures, she also appears more of like a "pretty" woman that a fierce warrior. Even Midway agrees that she's delicate, evidenced by how she was given a move named "Pretty Kick" and her famous fatality where she needs to kiss her victim on the cheek. It's everywhere, hon. Her bios, no matter how deep or tough they make her seem, do not make up for the little soft "princessy" personality that she carries.
She's my least favorite female ninja for this reason.

I don't understand how you can say it doesn't matter what they have her do in the story. The storyline is where the characters' personality come from.
And I do not see how someone who served as a cold-blood killer for thousands of years then went on to be the leader of a huge army goes hand-in-hand wit "typical, old fashioned delicate female."

We've only seen Kitana speak in three games.
In MK4, she spoke in three endings, Liu Kang's, hers/Mileena's, and Kung Lao's. In Liu Kang's, yeah she sounded nice and generous...which I think is understandable considering she's supposed to like Liu Kang. Then in Kung Lao's ending she speaks in a serious, business-like tone...which I think shows some strength in that she's able to conduct diplomatic relations with Goro. And then finally, there's her & Mileena's endings....where we see her viciously yelling and screaming at Mileena, which I think showed some of her agressiveness.
Beyond that, she had a hanful of lines in Deception's Konquest which didn't add anything and Shaolin Monks which is bullshit.

The movies and TV shows are bullshit. Moving on...

I look at the same pictures, and I see an entirely different character than the one you're describing.
Why's Kitana's kiss fatality make her any more delicate than Sonya and Mileena who also had kissing fatalities? Why single her out over them? And yes, Mileena did kiss her opponent in her fatalities...she did the exact same movements as Kitana did.

You say it doesn't matter what happens in the story, Kitana just is, but you know what...I can just as easily say Kitana presents this image of herself on purpose. Allowing her opponents to think she's a fragile little princess so they underestimate her.


[fanboy wrath kicking in]
You know this is exactly why I hope they get Kitana away from Edenia if she comes back in the next game. I am so sick of her being judged just because she carries a God damn "princess" label. I am so sick of that fucking title.
"Kitana's just a typical fragile princess."
"Kitana was always a damsel in distress and needed to be rescued by Liu Kang."
"Without Liu Kang, Kitana has no purpose."
AAARRGG!!!!! She's not Snow White. She's not Cinderella. She never was. She's not a damsel in distress. She never needed to be rescued by Liu Kang (seriously...that's never happened in the story). She doesn't need him...never did. If Kitana returns, for the love of all that is decent and holy, NO MORE PRINCESS! And get her the hell away from Liu Kang. Muthafuck....
[calming down]

Sorry, needed to get that out.
But seriously, if Kitana returns in the next gen games, she needs to drop the "princess" thing. Because if she doesn't, ^^this^^ will only get worse...and I'd rather she retire for good than see her become a shadow of her former self....like they did to Scorpion.
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03/04/2007 02:38 AM (UTC)
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I also think if Kitana and Mileena both return, they should have nothing to do with each other for a while. Let them both go their separate ways and let their stories develope by themselves. After a few games, THEN you can have them run into each other. It'd be interesting to see how they would react to each other and the changes they've gone through. It would just depend on what happens to them.


The rivalry between Kitana and Mileena was one of those dangling sub-plots that Armageddon promised (and neglected) to resolve. If they return in MK8, I have that cynical feeling that they'll pick up the ol' sibling rivalry right where it left off.

I can hear the wheels spinning in the mud already.

I could see how it would end though. For Mileena, it always seemed to me she had a crisis of identity. First being created as a twin sister to Kitana, then being rejected by both her sister and Shao Kahn (if I recall the MK2 comic correctly, he didn't think much of Mileena). Her role during MKD was impersonating Kitana, thereby invalidating her own identity once again.

For the rivalry to truly end, one of two things has to happen. Option 1: either Mileena or Kitana dies. Or... Option 2: Mileena finally gains a sense of worth and establishes her own identity apart from Kitana. She starts down her own path in life and stops trying to *BE* Princess Kitana of Edenia. Think about it; one of her most defining characteristics is that she looks like Kitana. In the movies and TV show everyone always mistook her for Kitana, she was often impersonating Kitana, and in the games this is true too.
Something has to happen to make her realize that Kitana's life is not her life. When or if that ever happens, then I could see their rivalry having a happy ending.
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03/04/2007 05:19 AM (UTC)
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Kitana's definitely up there with the characters I care for the most in MK. Not really because of her moves or how well she plays in the games, but her storyline. She has a very well-developped one, and I've seen her character deal with many different types of situations in each game, which consequently causes a new fraction of her personality to be put in the spotlight at a time.

Here's just a few of the sort of "roles" Kitana has played in the past, and that I can remember off the top of my head:

Villain

Though not for a very long time, it is common knowledge that Kitana was once "evil". She served as Shao Khan's personal assassin and killed in his name alongside Mileena. Even though it's fine to say that she was being lied to at the time, she still wasn't being manipulated in any way. Depending on how you look at it (and if you set aside Khan's lies), Kitana was a murderer for the emperor because she wanted to. No one kills out of loyalty to someone else, or because they're forced to: so it is my personal belief that during MK: 2's beginning, she actually enjoyed her brutal job. At least, I like thinking along those lines because it adds extra layers to Kitana's personality. Kind of like a dark side of the princess that is in danger of resurfacing at any given time, depending on the catalyst.



Light Warrior

This side of her really came out following Sindel's resurrection by Khan. Though her primary objective was to free her mother from his grasp, she actually ended up joining the Earth warriors in their struggle against Khan. She kept a concrete relationship with them (Liu Kang in particular sad) and aided them, even if indirectly, in bringing about Khan's defeat. Not only did her actions reflect her newfound personality, but her thoughts did as well. I know it's impossible to tell what a story's characters thoughts are, but it's safe to assume given Kitana's storyline around MK3. She went from being a ruthless assassin to turning against Khan and becoming one of the "heroes" of MK. It takes a lot of determination and an incredibly tough mind to be able to switch such parallel roles in so little time, especially considering the fact that Kitana served Khan for a looooooong time: another trait of the true hero that Kitana had become.

Love Interest

Although this is the Kitana that I most dislike, it can't be denied that Kitana eventually had to fit the description as the protagonist's "love interest" around MK4. She was imprisoned by Shinnok and had Liu Kang attempt to rescue her, which eventually led her to "propose" to him during the resolution of that particular storyline (and I still don't believe his ugly-ass rejected someone like Kitana, even if reluctantly. All I'm saying is that I would have jumped into that portal and materialized with her straight into an Edenian mote-- wtf am I talking about? Back to the post). I still think (along with most other Kitana fans) that Kitana is much, MUCH better off playing a strong-willed fighter than the "girl next door" of MK and Kang's stupid self.



Leader

One of my favorite facets of Kitana's personality. We see just how amazingly-well she fits the leader position during the events of MK: DA. It's extremely admirable how well Kitana was able to do everything that she did: form an allegiance with the feared Shokan, gather her troops, and lead them by herself in a pre-emptive strike against a weakened Khan. To me, this showed that Kitana is much more than one of the "good guys" of MK. She's a strong, tough, and decided character who wisely enough knows what she wants and fights for it with everything she's got: whether it be swinging her razored fans and severing heads or using her impressive verbal and persuasive skills to gain allies.



Disheartened Hero

Much like the protagonist towards the end of the movie, Kitana began to feel conflicting emotions as the final battle drew near. This is when we see the emotional side of Kitana come out. Deep down, she's not just a warrior: she's a sensitive character who wants nothing more than peace, and eventually tires of having to pursue that goal through constant violent methods. Seeing this in Kitana made me like her more than before, because vulnerability is a quality in fictional characters that really make them seel that much more real and relatable. Still, and as expected, Kitana decides on fighting for the forces of light and her own realm one last time as Armageddon drew near

smile

As for Kitana's future, I also think a few changes need to occur if she is to return in the next games.



Her rivalry with Mileena needs to come to a close. Yes, this is a very profound rivalry, and it was great while it lasted, but it's time these two "sisters" went their separate ways. And I mean that, because Mileena also nears the top of my favorite characters and I want her back in the future! I just want Mileena to realize that she'll never get anywhere in life trying to take over Kitana's life. I don't mean I want to see her as a hero (hell, no!) because Mileena only fits the evil role, IMO. I'm just saying, forget Kitana and find a new motive in life... find an alternate course of action to attain the power you've always dreamed of.

Her relationship with Liu Kang needs to be put to rest. I'm sorry, but I just don't see Kitana and Liu Kang as a good match. Maybe it's because I sincerely dislike Kang's monotone and hateful being, but seriously, Kitana can do better. And I don't even mean that when it comes to her love life, but her life overall. She has bigger potential that her "love relation" with Kang won't allow her to tap into. She should accept that he is gone forever, and move on.

She should focus more on her personal goals and step away from the "join the Earth heros" role. I'm not saying she should forget about them or refuse to help them if the need arises. What I'm saying is, she should be a little more focused on what's about to blow up in her own realm. For her future, I'd like to see her interact a lot more with Taven (as the new protector of the realm), Jade (as her closest friend and ally), and Rain (as the threat). Sometimes I feel like Kitana's an Earth warrior, and I shouldn't be feeling that way: just have her be more into the affairs of her own realm, acting not as its princess, but its weapon.

Well, that's about it for what I've got to say on Kitana right now. I like her a lot, and felt she deserved a big post (even though it's not as huge as Sonya's grin). I've grown to care about her character and story throughout the games, and have always wanted her to come out on top in every one of her affairs in each MK game.

Long Live Princess Kitana!



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XiahouDun84
03/29/2007 08:22 PM (UTC)
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With the revelation in Shang Tsung's Armageddon bio that anyone who pledged their soul to Shao Kahn will die when he dies, it's got me thinking about how this can effect Kitana.

First, and most obvious question, will this even apply to Kitana? For a very long time, she believed Shao Kahn was her real father and loyally served him. Why wouldn't she pledge her soul to him...like a loving daughter would?

So could Kitana be among the unlucky people who'll sink with the Shao Kahn ship? If so...now I really hope she's the one to destroy him once and for all. Makes a for good ending to her story. Sacrificing herself to destroy Shao Kahn once and for all...taking his minions down with her.

However, what if she didn't pledge her soul to him....why not? As said, she was genuinly loyal to him...so why wouldn't she pledge her soul to him? This question has got me thinking again about Kitana and Shao Kahn's relationship. Sub-Zero_7th mentioned that perhaps Kahn saw in Kitana a potential successor. Perhaps he spared from dying should he die for this reason and/or his apparent sympathy for her?

If this rule doesn't apply to Kitana, suppose it applies to someone else close to her? Like say Kitana succeeds in killing Kahn, but only then do we learn that Jade had pledged her soul to him when she served him or that Sindel had when she was under his control?

I mentioned earlier that if Kitana should return in the next gen she should renounce her title as princess...my idea being out of bitterness because of something horrible happening to her in Armageddon. This could qualify. Destroying Kahn, which should've been a great moment of triumph and glory, turns out to be a great tragedy if by killing him, Kitana inadvertantly killed someone she loved.

I don't know. Maybe it won't mean anything and we'll simply learn this rule doesn't apply to Kitana or anyone close to her. Just something that got my wheels turning.
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03/29/2007 09:52 PM (UTC)
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
With the revelation in Shang Tsung's Armageddon bio that anyone who pledged their soul to Shao Kahn will die when he dies, it's got me thinking about how this can effect Kitana.

First, and most obvious question, will this even apply to Kitana? For a very long time, she believed Shao Kahn was her real father and loyally served him. Why wouldn't she pledge her soul to him...like a loving daughter would?

So could Kitana be among the unlucky people who'll sink with the Shao Kahn ship? If so...now I really hope she's the one to destroy him once and for all. Makes a for good ending to her story. Sacrificing herself to destroy Shao Kahn once and for all...taking his minions down with her.

However, what if she didn't pledge her soul to him....why not? As said, she was genuinly loyal to him...so why wouldn't she pledge her soul to him? This question has got me thinking again about Kitana and Shao Kahn's relationship. Sub-Zero_7th mentioned that perhaps Kahn saw in Kitana a potential successor. Perhaps he spared from dying should he die for this reason and/or his apparent sympathy for her?

If this rule doesn't apply to Kitana, suppose it applies to someone else close to her? Like say Kitana succeeds in killing Kahn, but only then do we learn that Jade had pledged her soul to him when she served him or that Sindel had when she was under his control?

I mentioned earlier that if Kitana should return in the next gen she should renounce her title as princess...my idea being out of bitterness because of something horrible happening to her in Armageddon. This could qualify. Destroying Kahn, which should've been a great moment of triumph and glory, turns out to be a great tragedy if by killing him, Kitana inadvertantly killed someone she loved.

I don't know. Maybe it won't mean anything and we'll simply learn this rule doesn't apply to Kitana or anyone close to her. Just something that got my wheels turning.


Hmm, I'm glad you brought this up. If this whole soul-binding thing really is true, I wonder which other characters this applies to.

I really wouldn't want to see characters like Jade, Sindel, and Ermac die as it would be a shame to see them go like that.

I think that Kitana may have more likely not been soul-bound to Shao Kahn IF Shao Kahn had hoped that one day, Kitana, who we'll assume during her days as an assassin, was very, truly and willingly loyal to him, would take his place as ruler of Outworld. What if that whole spell nonsense in MKSM also involved Kitana becoming soul-bound to him?

I know we both DESPISE MKSM's story, but with the way there's more evidence leaning towards it being canon (most unfortunately), we do have to take things like this into consideration.

Maybe IF one, two, or all three of Kitana, Jade, and Sindel are soul-bound to Shao Kahn, perhaps what they'll do, IF they fight and defeat him, would be to imprison him somehow in a way that he'll never escape and never be a threat to the realms again.

I guess we might have to wait for Kitana's, Sindel's, Jade's, and/or Shao Kahn's bios to get more insight into all this.

Maybe that's why Kitana left Liu Kang's spirit up to Nightwolf while Johnny Cage helped lead the heroes instead of her.
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XiahouDun84
03/29/2007 11:32 PM (UTC)
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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make in regards to MK:SM. If Kitana's soul is bound to Kahn, I think it would've happened during the time she was loyal to him. The MK:SM spell is superfluous.

If Kitana's soul is bound to Shao Kahn, I think a question to be asked is did/does she know about it? It would seem bizarre of Kitana to be hell-bound and determined to destroy him once and for all if she knew doing so could kill her and/or anyone else who served him.

If this is the case, I hope it's simply she didn't know about it. I mean, okay, Shang Tsung didn't buy it. But I think it would be goofy for NO ONE to believe the soul-binding thing. So hopefully it's just that Kitana didn't know about it...or maybe she pledged her soul to Kahn, but wasn't aware of the full implications of what that meant?

Which brings us to Armageddon. That's an interesting idea about maybe this being the reason Kitana isn't leading the good guys and why she passed Liu Kang's soul to Nightwolf. Maybe she's just discovered this soul-binding thing and trying to find a way to undo it so she can kill Kahn without killing herself or Jade/Sindel with him. That'd be cool.

I don't like the idea of them imprisoning Kahn. That's soft storytelling. If they're going get rid of Kahn, kill him off and accept the consequences of who goes with him. Those who don't die can be explained. Like Ermac was freed from Kahn's hold over him by Kenshi....so I think he'll be safe. And as Kitana/Jade/Sindel....if they're to survive, just say they found a way to free themselves or that they never pledged their souls to him and give a reason why.

Personally, I'm starting to get into the idea of Kitana killing Kahn, but someone close to her goes with him. IF Kitana is going to continue on in the next generation and they're not going to do anything with Jade or Sindel....I say trim the fat.
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Sub-Zero_7th
03/30/2007 12:00 AM (UTC)
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I guess you have a point regarding the spell thing in MKSM.

Maybe Kitana did pledge her soul to Shao Kahn during her time as his loyal assassin but didn't know the full implications, as you suggested.

I think that Kitana killing Shao Kahn would be fitting and a good ending though I personally wouldn't want Jade or Sindel to get killed off. Then again, with Sindel/Jade gone, it would make for more dramatic storytelling.

I know this is off topic, but you kind of have to wonder about characters like Reiko, who have been implied to want to take Shao Kahn's place as Outworld's ruler. I mean, if Shao Kahn is destroyed, Reiko, who most likely pledged such loyalty to Kahn, would be dead too.

Anyway, I hope to see Kitana's bio soon.
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QueenSindel(TheBitch)
03/30/2007 04:43 AM (UTC)
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
You say that a lot, but what are you basing that on? Aside from the movies(which were bullshit), where has Kitana been presented as a weak and delicate woman? I'm not seeing Kitana as any more or less weak and delicate than any of the other female characters in this picture here.
I'm basing it on how the developers make her look and act most of the time.

Again, yeah in her stories, she's strong and all that, but I mean...


Pictures like these are what make me like her less, and she's commonly portrayed having these "pretty," flowery qualities.

You said it yourself.... The "princess" thing has gone as far as it could and you want her to be a bad-ass again.

So do I. That's why I wish they'd make her look more fierce and vicious like this...

as oppose to just a piece of romantic eye candy for the guys.

Let's just say they should start making her appear and come off as a stronger character like she is in her stories.

I don't hate Kitana, btw. She's just comes off too "princessy" for me, most of the time, which irritates and unsatisfies me.

and yeah, she does have a lot of fans, whom are mostly horny guys.
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XiahouDun84
03/30/2007 03:30 PM (UTC)
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QueenSindel(TheBitch) Wrote:
Again, yeah in her stories, she's strong and all that, but I mean...

Pictures like these are what make me like her less, and she's commonly portrayed having these "pretty," flowery qualities.

I don't see her "flowery" in the picture. To me, she looks moody and depressed. Now maybe you equate that with "delicate" and "feminine"....but I find Kitana's brooding understandable since her life is mostly just one kick to the crotch after the next.


But okay, so we can interpret that picture differently. But what about this...


...or this...


...or even this...

...which is pretty much the same pose as the picture of Frost you posted?


QueenSindel(TheBitch) Wrote:
You said it yourself....you want her to be a bad-ass again.

Because I know it'll only get worse (just like how way back in MK:DA, I wanted them to stop presenting Scorpion as a shallow dumb-ass...which is what he's ultimately become). Like stopping a leak before it becomes a flood. Also because I want people who accuse Kitana of being a typical, boring princess to shut the hell up.tongue


QueenSindel(TheBitch) Wrote:
...as oppose to just a piece of romantic eye candy for the guys.

Even if you look at Kitana and see her as too feminine or whatever....she isn't JUST "romantic eye-candy." If she had no storyline or character...then yes, she'd just be eye candy. But she does have a story and she is a very well-developed character...more developed than most other characters in the game. That makes her more than mere eye-candy.


QueenSindel(TheBitch) Wrote:
and yeah, she does have a lot of fans, whom are mostly horny guys.

As a male Kitana fan....this comment really pisses me off.
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QueenSindel(TheBitch)
03/30/2007 06:11 PM (UTC)
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OK, first of all, those pics are fine. She's not all flowery in them, but she doesn't look completely vicious either. I guess the description she lacks is "intimidating.' Which she really isn't, look-wise.

Now, hon, don't get me wrong. I don't think she's a totally crappy character and all that. She's still stylish and unique with her ninja look and creative fan weapons.

Second of all, I'm not calling her boring because she's "feminine." Feminine characters are the ones I like, for crying out loud, but when they're strongly feminine, not soft and pretty. When it comes to bad-ass strong and intimidating, I think this is as far as she can go.

Finally, yes she's cool in her storylines, but what initially draws me to characters is their appearance, and Kitana hasn't looked very exciting to me ever since UMK3. You said it yourself... "If she had no storyline or character...then yes, she'd just be eye candy." That's true, which is what shows her appearance is more of a man's treat than a vicious, daunting, feminine one like Frost's picture or pictures/appearances of other MK females.

I like her in her stories, but not how she has looked from UMK3 and after, so if her look and demeanor doesn't catch me, I can't really care about the rest.
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reppy
03/30/2007 08:47 PM (UTC)
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