Again, I don't see how Kitana somehow looks more delicate or less intimidating than the picture of Frost or this picture of Jade or this picture of Mileena or any other female character.

And about Kitana being eye-candy if she had no storyline or character...the same is true about just about every other female character in the game.
Take away Sonya's storyline and established attitude, and she's just some broad in a thong. Take away Jade's story and established character, and she's some chick in her underwear. Same with Li Mei. And Sindel. And Mileena. Frost and Ashrah maybe not so much....until you see their alts.


But whatever. There really is no point in discussing one's subjective interpretation of how a character looks in a picture. Like that picture of Kitana, where you see flowery and delicate...I see brooding and moody. I'm basing my interpretation on what's known about Kitana in her story and character.
I'll leave it at that.



I know. I like Jade and Sindel too, but my feeling is even if Armageddon doesn't "tie up all loose ends" like they said it would...I want it to at least streamline the story a bit.
And my feeling is, IF Kitana comes back...unless they can think of something REALLY interesting and unique for Jade and/or Sindel that only they can do, lose them. Because they are stuck in Kitana's shadow, which is bad for them...but at the same time, they're diluting Kitana's presence and importance.
And like you said, it'd be nice for there to be some dramatic impact like someone dies or whatever.

But who knows? Maybe if, assuming Kitana's going to return, they do go with something like my or your ideas where Kitana completely abandons Edenia, that will allow Jade and/or Sindel a chance to step up. Who knows, maybe that can make for an interesting story...Kitana severing all ties to even her best friend and mother?
At this point, I'm thinking streamlining the plot is the better way to go....but we'll see how things go.



I know. I think that's the biggest payoff of Shang Tsung's bio. Now there's question over who this soul-binding thing is going to apply to and who won't it apply to. For the most part though...like supposing Reiko did pledge his soul to Kahn and is going to die in Armagedodn...I hope he's killed in a more dramatic fasion than simply dropping dead when Kahn dies. Hopefully, Shao Kahn will be one of the last characters to die in Armageddon.

No, you didn't analyze this thoroughly.

Yes, it seems like if most MK females are in their underwear, but some have other aspects to make up for that to make them look strong and intimidating and away from romantically flowery.

Sonya always dresses covered-up and her strength is shown in her pictures too, namely her facial expressions, not just her storylines. Same thing with Frost who has those glowing eyes, spiked icy hair-do, and strong facial expressions, and Sindel with her gothic make-up, white eyes, and mature and dark complexion. Both of these females have much more radiantly gloomy and bold appearances than Kitana.

Mileena has been looking slutty lately, but still sadistic and intimidating mainly because of her mouth. Jade, especially in her alt, usually looks very serious, determined, and somewhat mysterious (like how her primary looks a little gypsy-ish). While Kitana USUALLY, not always, looks like just a "pretty" princess squished into a ninja outfit.

As for Li Mei and Sareena... Well they are just basic MK hoochies. At least Sareena has some dark qualities though.

Ever since MKGold, Kitana has been mostly featured having those same soft flirty eyes, calm little face, twinkling eyelashes, reserved complexion, etc.

I honestly hope that in MK8 they make her look much more fierce, serious, and intimidating, as oppose to "moody," "brooding," or princessly soft and pretty, cuz right now, there's nothing dark, mysterious, or vicious about her look. Her fan weapons are currently the only vicious thing about her.

Well this is pretty interestimg. I feel more close to what QueenSindel(TB)
is saying about Kitana. To kinda look at it from a different aspect, the movie
"Mr & Mrs Jones" with Angelina Jolie is about as serious as I can take Kitana. Really REALLY skilled at what she does, but the "flower" never escapes her.
Who ever takes Angelina Jolie as a serious killer of a men??
(enter the sex scene...)

I think they should follow Angelina in that respect though, and let Kitana have aspects of a more ronchy, rough-er-than-I-let-on appearance. Since there is no real sexual(more than "sexually suggestive" with there being that one render of Mileena) content in Mk, I think it would greatly imporve the reception of her character as more than the flower that is closely related to being a "princess". Historiclly speaking and if they are to allow her into future games as a "serious character.

And then I agree with XDun84 on the point to where, she needs that "Princess" aspect to take a back seat for a while. I think it distracts from her beign established as a "warrior" in any setting. It's to the point to where, I'm sitting here trying to define what should make her a beautiful warrior(which is a sexy thing), or a nostalgic, respectable and honorable Princess of Edenia(which would also be really cool if they would do it right).

Instead, I just get a mixture of them all...The look in the game(mainley flower), her attitude in the movie(mentor, soft, yet sexy flower), her look in the comics(sexy killing machine..but, happends to be a princess), and then the picture that all the actual cannon material paints' that I recieve from true fans like Xdun84...(a disturbed princess with major skills in the martial arts)

All of them sound good, but which on can I bank on? Y'know?

My 2cents even though I'm not huge on her..

QueenSindel:
See, now this is where you and I differ. I don't judge characters on how they look. You're going on about Sonya's fierce eyes, and Jade's determined face and all that stuff.....you know what I see?

People standing.

No different than how I see Kitana in most of her pictures (the three I posted, in addition to her Shaolin Monks render, and her vs. screen pic, not to mentioned a handful from the MK2 days that showed Kitana wielding blood-drenched fans). I know Sonya and Jade and all them are fierce warriors...but I'm basing that on their stories. Not their renders.

I don't base my interpretations on how characters look because that often means jack shit. If I did, I would insist Sindel is some nutty, witch-like seductress....but I know she's not. She's actually a powerful and noble warrior queen. And I actually like that contrast.
No matter what you say, one or two pictures of Kitana looking vaguely "princessy" can't override everything I know about her. Even if Kitana looks somewhat "flowery" in a handful of pictures, it doesn't change that according to the story she is apparantly able to single-handedly kill a dozen or so Tarkatans by herself.
I mean okay, maybe if they constantly showed Kitana doing a curtsy with a goofy little smile on her face....or Mileena with her eyes crossed and foaming at the mouth....or Sonya gving the finger with her tongue sticking out....then yeah, I'd see where you're coming from.

I don't understand how you can say "it doesn't matter what she does in the story" and I guess I never will.


But regardless, I do want her to get away from the "princess" thing because, obviously, some people do judge Kitana on her body language, appearance, and the "princess" label before anything else...and that bothers me. Like Predator said, this "princess" label is starting to distract people from the fact that she is a hardened warrrior. And like I said, I want them to stop this leak before it becomes a flood and Kitana truly does becomes...essentially what she was in the movies.

That, but also more importantly, because it's starting to make her story boring.


By the way, you always complain about how Kitana usually looks reserved. Since when did that become a delicate characteristic? Usually, the reserved and disciplined fighter is more likely to defeat the psycho-crazy fighter who tries to look fierce.
Case in point: Kitana's beaten Mileena. Maybe twice.
EDIT:
I just realized something. Kitana's so-called "flowery" picture actually makes her stand out among the MK females. You mentioned how the pictures of Sonya and Jade and all them display them as fierce and strong and all that. Essentially...all the same thing: generic "tough chicks."
Kitana meanwhile, while she has plenty of pictures showing her as tough and fierce, her more "princessy" renders show that in addition to being a hardened warrior, she is also a melancoly and brooding character...which makes her more complex. If anything, the numerous pictures of both Kitana in warrior-mode and of her in princess-mode is a testament to how she's a well-rounded and more developed character.
Since I constantly yammer on about Kitana is such a developed and complex character, I should be glad that there are both pictures of Kitana as a warriors AND as a princess.
I still think she should get away from Edenia though if she comes back in MK8. Her story needs some shaking up.

I know this is a double-post, but just to further drive my point home without editing my previous post even more...


Let's look at the two ends of Kitana's depiction in renders and pics. Playing by QueenSindel's rules where we just look at the pictures and ignore the storylines.

On the one hand we have pics like this...

...which display Kitana as fierce, sexy, and powerful fighter.

Meanwhile, on the other hand, we have renders like this...

...which presents a more "princess-y" and melancoly Kitana.

Now, it's the same character. A fierce and powerful warrior...who is ALSO a vulnerable and melancoly princess. How can that be? Could it mean that Kitana....*GASP*....has some depth???


Now compare that to any two pictures of any other female character. Do we see that same contrast? Are there any pictures of Sonya Blade that present her as anything other than just a tough and fierce warrior? How about Mileena? Any renders or pics that presents her as anything other than a disturbed, psychopathic freak?
Obviously, we know in the storylines that there is more to Sonya and Mileena than just that...but we're going strictly by how they look in pictures and renders here.


So I re-itterate some of my earlier points.
Yeah, Kitana is at times depicted as vulnerable and "princess-y"....but "delicate" and "fragile"? Hardly. She is still a hardened and capable warrior. THAT should be what I'm arguing for. That the more feminine renders of Kitana are simply displaying another aspect of her character....and that should be a good thing.

My only fear, which is one of the reasons I want them to drop the "princess" act....is that maybe someday the MK team and/or everyone else will forget that there is more to Kitana than just the "princess."

But again, all that said...I do still want Kitana to get away from Edenia. On a personal level, I prefer "warrior" Kitana over "princess" Kitana. And again, her story needs some shaking up.

I concur. Which is why she was much better in MK2 and MK3.

But still, even though all MK females are objectified in one way or another, most of them have certain flavorings to compensate. Like I said, some have dark, or sadistic, or fierce, or mysterious flavoring to them, but it's unfortunate that the flavoring they usually give Kitana is the plain-ole princessy one.

Other than the pic I posted, however, I've seen no other pic of her that shows a character with depth. The rest are just a pretty-faced, flowery ninja. The Shaolin Monks and MK2/3 pics are the only ones that show her somewhat fierce-looking. The Shaolin Monks especially, and I think it's because she was brainwashed into being evil (which is cool since her mother looked at her most fierce and intimidating when she was brainwashed too).

*waits for XD84 to jump all over that one*

She's not evil. It was allllllll a spell that made her do it.

MKSM's story is crap. Kitana was a cold blooded assassin loyal to Shao Kahn WITHOUT any brainwashing. Being 10,000 years old, I'm sure she's gotten plenty of innocent (and not -so innocent) blood all over those fans.

I'm sure next they'll try to tell us that once the evil spell that made Kitana do the bad things was lifted, she didn't remember killing anyone either. Yay! She's absolved of all wrong doing!

Way more interesting that way than, say.... having her assassinate all these people of her own will only to realize she'd been on the wrong side all along. Yeah, we wouldn't want her to have to deal with any character defining guilt or regret over killing all those people. Why should she personally lead an army against Kahn in an attempt to atone for her past deeds? It was just a spell. She can't be held accountable for anything she did!

You misunderstood my point.
My point was, that there are both renders that display Kitana as a fierce warrior...like the ones I posted....AND renders that show Kitana as (how you put it, even though I don't agree) "flowery" is what presents her as a character with depth. That we're able to see two sides of Kitana's personality as opposed to just one or the other...which is usually all we get to see with most every other character.



And once again, I fail to see how the pictures I posted before, or her vs. screen render in Armageddon, are somehow more "flowery."


But whatever. On athe lighter side of things...

Couldn't have said it better myself.

There are so many things wrong with the spell idea. It's such childish and shitty storytelling. I do get shocked when I encounter people who actually PREFER the spell. It just baffles me that there are fans who actually WANT Kitana's story and character to be shallowed and dumbed down.

Holy.....I am amazed at the scope of that first post. You really ARE a Kitana fan.

I love playing as her. Something I like about Armageddon is that the former "retro ninja" girls now have distinct attributes besides their special moves and colors.

Jade is strong - she dishes out the most damage per blow

Mileena is fast - her strikes are the quickest

Kitana is versatile - she has many different ways of getting around a blocker

All in all, I like Kitana's amazing looks (most beautiful, period) and mix-up game.

Just PISSED that she took Jade's teleport. She already has Sonya's Square Wave Punch, that should suffice.

I know we've kind of moved on from the depth discussion, but I agree with XD. Kitana has great depth as a character, and its potential has only been slightly explored considering the vast amount of backstory that takes place prior to her first appearance.

On an added note, I've always loved that MKDA render in her alt outfit. I think it captures perfectly that at that stage of her life she's tired of fighting. She's fought for so long, constantly trying to keep Edenia, her people, her loved ones safe. Now in one of the most important fights of her life she lost her friend Goro and love interest Liu Kang. I think that picture itself shows Kitana's depth. She looks sad, she looks emotionally, mentally fatigue. I think its a beautiful render and MKDA was really my favorite appearance of hers.

I agree. That's how I always saw that picture, too.


On another subject...
My mind was wandering about how Tanya replaced Kitana in MK4 and I got to wondering, just what extent did she replace Kitana?

Like, Reiko was a LAST minute replacement for Noob Saibot. Reiko was just a slightly touched up Noob render and Noob was originally going to get Reiko's moves. Earlier in the thread, I wondered if something similar happened with Tanya and Kitana...was Kitana meant to have the flipping split kick and drill kick Tanya ended up having.
But I also wonder, was Kitana supposed to have Tanya's story role, too?

My reasoning is, Kitana was meant to be in MK4, but left out only to be added on to Gold. Yet Kitana's story in Gold is probably her weakest storyline in the series. It seems strange to me that if Kitana was meant to be in MK4 from the start, she'd have such a weak storyline...which was basically, "Kitana escaped the dungeons and wants to free Edenia."

So I wonder...was this because Tanya was given what would've been Kitana's story in MK4? Was the traitor who sold Edenia out to Shinnok originally planned to be Kitana? Was she originally meant to pull a swerve and turn out to be in the service of Shinnok? Perhaps we would have even discovered it was Shinnok or Quan Chi who were responsible for Kitana learning the truth about her past and turning against Shao Kahn?

I have no real point to this...just a train of thought more than anything.
I wonder though...were this true...how fans would've responded? I can't say how I would've reacted. Lots of people hate Tanya...would people have suddenly hated Kitana or would this have been highly regarded as one of MK's great twists?

Food for thought...

I think that it is possible that Kitana could've had some of Tanya's moves if she were in MK4 instead of her. However, when it comes to the storyline, I don't think so. I think that John Tobias wanted to have an evil Edenian female character, a character that hadn't been in MK previously excluding Sindel being under Kahn's control in MK3 and Kitana being Shao Kahn's loyal assassin before learning the truth. What I mean is, I think the idea is to have someone who is irredeemably evil.

If Kitana would've had Tanya's story if she were in MK4, I'd find that kind of strange, especially considering how Edenia had recently been separated from Outworld.

I suppose it's possible Tanya was created to provide a genuinely evil Edenian character.

But I think the twist could've made sense.
Say it was Quan Chi or Shinnok who made Kitana realize Shao Kahn had conquered her realms. Then, under their orders, she continued to feign loyalty to them until she started to secretly helping Liu Kang and the other Earth fighters...again under Shinnok's orders. The pay-off being with Shao Kahn gone and after Shinnok eliminated the Earth warriors Kitana would rule Outworld and/or Edenia for herself.

The idea being she was serving Shinnok and Quan Chi the whole time and her helping Earth's fighters during MKII and MK3 was also an act to gain their trust.


I'm not really sure how I would've responded to that. I like that Kitana is a protagonist and I like her as a heroic character...so she turning out to be truly evil might've irked me. But then again, I could see myself getting into the idea after a while....like it took me a bit to get into the idea Noob Saibot was the original Sub-Zero. Now I think it was a great idea. So I might've gotten used to Kitana really being a villainess.

Now that I think about it...imagine the fallout that would've created with Mileena. If Kitana turned out to be a bad guy after all...what would that mean for Mileena?

Hmm, I guess it would make for an interesting story, perhaps a story set in some kind of alternate universe. I guess there's another story idea for you though there are still stories such as the evil Wonder Woman story that you haven't quite gotten around to writing yet.

However....I'd rather see you continue off from MK: Korruption, especially after endings such as Scarack's left me in suspense.

Anyway, going back to that idea of yours, I think Mileena might've become a protagonist. What I'd have to wonder is, what about Sindel and Jade? Say that Kitana was working for Quan Chi and Shinnok and would want to rule Edenia and/or Outworld. Do you think Sindel and Jade would've sided with her or turned against her? I suppose Jade would side with Kitana as they are friends, but for Sindel, I don't know. Perhaps that we would have to get some insight as to how Sindel and Jerrod ruled Edenia. If it were the way it is in the storyline, I could see Sindel's and Kitana's roles being reversed.

Now I've got a Kitana question. In a game over screen in SM, it said something about saving a"Princess Meliwinski". If anyone can either confirm or deny the belief that Kitana is this "Meliwinski" character (maybe her last name), I'd be thankful.

P.S.: I saw this on youtube if anyone asks. Nevermind, Melewinski was actually a voice recorder (Like Hormbuckle was actually someone who worked on MKII.) I'd like to thank Wikipedia.

Kitana has always been my favorite Character(Lui Kang is also my Fav character,I have two fav characters). She has some of the coolest moves in MK. And the Steel fans are just awesome. Anyways,I think that if the movie franchise comes back I think they should just start from the beginning and have it all CGI, Like the opening sequences in Deception or Armeggedon or Shaolin Monks. Then they should have Kitana and Mileena have a long fight and Kitana would win. I have always been angry that Kitana never got to fight Mileena in the MK movies.

Me too, i would of loved to see them too fight. Its something that has to happen in the future XD

I justed want to say something about Kitana's would-be costume.

Mileena's MKD primary outfit was originally intended to be Kitana's. I'm always annoyed and dissatisfied with the looks Kitana is given because they never reflect her story roles as warrior princess or military commander and turn out to be these flowery ballerina shits instead.

She's a character who story supports the sporting of both regal and armor ourfits (like Li Mei).

So had Kitana been included in MKD with Mileena's primary, I would have been in awe. That outfit looks very regal and despite it being skanky, it still looks freakin cool with much more interesting and stronger elements than her ninja leotard.

Well too bad for now, but hopefully she'll evolve out of the palette ninja look later on as Jade and Mileena have (even though I don't like Jade's primary).

I agree on Queen Sindel (Thebitch)'s last post. Kitana has pretty much gone no where since MK:2. There have been some variants of her origional Blue oufit but not much. They do need to make her outfit reflect her character. I think the MK vs. DC outfit was a little better but still same old same old. I would have liked to see more of this:

http://mkw.mortalkombatonline.com/mkd/ermac/end2.jpg

It looks good and its different. After all Milleena was only wearing her main Deception outfit because she was impersonating Kitana.
They need to make her outfits more stronger, more armor. (Like Li Mei as QS said but not as skimpy). Also her hair was always wierd. I liked her origional look were she just wore it down, instead of the whole REALLY long pony-tail that reached her ankles. The ribbon in her hair in her new makes me mad too. Also, loose the high-heeled boots. I'm pretty sure she can't really fight good in those. Sindel and Sonya have normal, tough boots.
So yeah, thats it.

DOn't bump threads that haven't been posted in for over three months; considering this thread is over a year old, you may as well have made a new one with regards to Kitana.