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The 5 worst thing Midway did on the MK saga.

posted03/13/2008 02:49 PM (UTC)by

legend_armlet

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What 's the 5 worst thing Midway did on the MK saga according to you?

Here's my mind:

1) MK Armageddon:
What's the interest of making a fighting game with 60+ characters when u don't have enough time to finish it?
It ruined this game overall. There are 2 fighting styles instead of 3. And each fighting style has less moves than in MKDA and MKD + air kombat sucks as it looks likes an anti-air system and it's universal. The bios are missing, the endings are ridiculous. KAF is horrible cause Midway was too lazy to make "sprites". And to crown all, too many characters's bio have changed just to avoid a ressurection.

2) The MKSM story.
MKSM was a great game in terms of game play. But why couldn't MKSM have been made on the MK1 comic book?
(See XD84 MKSM storyline analysis for more)

3) The MK3, UMK3 and MKT fatalities:
These games had excellent fatalities such as Shang Tsung's soul steal, Sheeva's skin rip or Reptile's vomitting spit. But why does the opponent have a ton of bones when he explodes? And why did an headless body remain standing? Plus, when the opponent is cut in several parts, his hands remain next to his torso. It doesn't make sense to put rotten and excellent results together.

4) Tranforming Smoke into a robot:
This guy could have been an excellent ninja like Sub-Zero. Instead, Midway ruined him in every points. He's just a poor henchman without having his own purpose. And we'll probably never know, how powerfull he could have been if he was still a ninja with his own moves.

5) Green and black blood.
I'm not against green or black blood but what they did to Reptile, Sheeva, Motaro and Noob Saibot doesn't make sense.
Reptile had red blood till MK2, then green for UMK3 and MKT. Then red again for MK4 and Gold, Then back again to green blood. From green to red about Motaro + same about sheeva. And Noob had red blood until MKG, then his blood became black cause he's teaming with Smoke.
WTF?

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•02/14/2008 08:36 PM (UTC) •

1) Sort of agreed. I like having every character cause I always change my favourite. But I hate the things we had to sacrifie to get that. Eg. fatalities

2) Agreed

3) Agreed

4) Agreed

5) Agreed, they should stick to one blood type to avoid confusion

undertaker15-0

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•02/14/2008 11:19 PM (UTC) •

1)agreed some people shouldn't have been in it even if it was Armageddon cough hsu hao jerek mocap cough
2)ii liked the shaolin monks story
3)not sure
4)i didn't care that much i never us him
5)it shows more of a different race noobs blood is black because smoke has done something to his bodily systems

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•02/15/2008 07:44 AM (UTC) •

undertaker15-0 Wrote: noobs blood is black because smoke has done something to his bodily systems

Wtf no he didn't.

Noob reactivated Smoke and helped him. Not the other way around.

Where did u hear this?

Corndog125nalald

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•02/15/2008 03:36 PM (UTC) •

1) MK Special Forces. . .It was not finished, but they released it any way.

2) MK Mythologies. . . It was better then MKSF but it still sucked.

3) Turning the MK2 story line into a meaningless point in the saga. . .Most fans agree MK2 is the best (if not one of the best) game of the series. However, In MK trilogy it covers the whole of Mortal Kombat 2 by saying it served as a distraction to get the stuff that happened in MK3 going. I love MK3’s story, however it just kicks a whole game to the side like a beaten dog.

4) Turning Smoke back into a human. . . I hated the fact they turned Smoke into a robot. I’m a ninja smoke fan through and through. However the transformation served the story well. . . My big beef is that in MK:D when they gave me a chance to play as “human” smoke, I got some really gay , very non human version of Smoke in chaps. Furthermore He did not have puffs of smoke in the game. I know they could do it because in MKDA scorpion had a flaming skull and frost had the frosty smoke. If they just applied that effect I would be more contented. But they did not. If your going to give us human Smoke I would have like to see something equivalent the MK4 ninja Reptile costume.

5) KAF. . . I love doing Kreate a Fatalities, don’t get me wrong, I just like the old stuff better. When the game was first in the makings, Boon talked about have a KAF system that would have a couple of character specific fatalities in there. Perhaps like Scorpions “Toasty” or Sub Zero’s “Spine Rip” to add on top of the universal fatality system.

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•02/15/2008 05:22 PM (UTC) •

Noooo... Mythologies is great!

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•02/17/2008 05:18 PM (UTC) •

Warlady Wrote:
Noooo... Mythologies is great!

Agreed; Mythologies, whilst not having the best gameplay, opened up Sub-Zeros storyline and the MK storyline overall. Paving the way for The MK:DA-MK:A stories, with multiple universes, the amulet, etc.

here's my list:

1) MK:A; I liked that they had all the characters, I liked all the endings, I hated that there are only like 12 complete bios. Since this game was supposed to end a generation in the MK Saga, and the storyline isn't complete, there is no closure.

2) Robot Smoke; Yep, they should have kept him in human form.

3) Scorpion's overall storyline; There are some plot holes that need to be cleaned up here. And it's not just Scorpion's storyline, most characters have a flawed canon.

4) The Kamidogu; Not enough has been said about these, except for vague tales of how the Kamidogu came to be.

5) The One Being; The introduction of a mysterious One Being was exciting at first, but so far they haven't taken the concept anywhere.

Corndog125nalald

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•02/17/2008 06:13 PM (UTC) •

Oh, i dont want to be taken wrong. . . I love how MKM affected the story line. I just did not like the game play. . .well and the bad acting. . .but it was kind of fun to watch them. . . Oh and Sareena was so foxy in the videos!

No it was just I did not enjoy the game play. The story was a good thing ;)

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•02/17/2008 10:52 PM (UTC) •

The only things I didn't like were:

MK Armageddon: the Kreate a Fatality system and the ridiculous endings.
MK Special Forces
The decision to make MKSM's story canon
The gore in MK3/UMK3/MKT

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•02/17/2008 11:25 PM (UTC) •

GrotesquetheBeast Wrote:
Since this game was supposed to end a generation in the MK Saga, and the storyline isn't complete, there is no closure.

That's a really good point. Were there really only twelve? Wow, pretty much all my favourite characters got one. Except Shao Kahn of course. But his story was told through Mileena and Shang Tsung's bio's. So I'm happy.

But yeah, that closure point is a good one.

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•02/19/2008 01:38 AM (UTC) •

Corndog125nalald Wrote:
Sareena was so foxy in the videos!

word.

Hikari715 Wrote:

The decision to make MKSM's story canon

Is it canon? Did Midway officially say that? It couldn't be since all the bosses (Reptile, Goro, Kahn etc.) all died. basically making every game after MK2 implausable.

unless, everything but the deaths are canon. In that case, I think it would be a good retcon for the MK storyline.

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•02/19/2008 05:01 PM (UTC) •

here's my list:

1) MKA- more time should have been put into it. and All characters my ass, you need the wii version for all characters.

2) MK Special forces- awful, just plain awful.

3) Johnny Cage deth reconned- Jeez that guy has died what 3 times already than they say the death after MKDA is the one that counts?

4)MKD Konquest- sure it was a nice way to give insight to the whole Shujinko/ one Being/ Dragon king storyline but it was a waste of time.

5) the end of MKSM- What the hell man? What the hell?

queve

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•02/22/2008 03:48 AM (UTC) •

I agree with the majority:

1.- MKA in GENERAL While the air kombat rocked, while Konquest ruled everything there was in the game (best thing of the game actually), while the vs pics were amazing, while most backgrounds were fantastic and the music superb...the entire game is a rushed crappy unfinished and annoying disappointing product. It has a lot of beautiful things, no doubt, but if I were to start numbering all the problems it has, starting with the bios and going on about the recycled crap in almost everything, I would just never shut up (no bios, endings, fatalities, recycled mkd decorations, etc etc).

No real order:

MKSM Storyline

WHAT THE HELL!!!! They finally get an amazing fantastic and super cool adventure game, but screw the storyline? I cant believe it.
Loose of classic special moves and fatalities

What the hell did they think they were doing when the took away Sonyas amazing leg grab, ring toss and innumerable special moves just to give her 2 in MKDA and 4 in MKA???! What happened with Johnny’s fantastic nut punch, Cyrax’s net, Sindels hair???? Etc.

MKA Fatalities

They simply disserve their own mention because they were such a pathetic lame horrible nasty unbelievable and terrible excuse in order to avoid giving characters original fatalities.

More to come

GrotesquetheBeast Wrote:

Hikari715 Wrote:

The decision to make MKSM's story canon

So far, they have talked as if mksm is truly canon, and have stated that those deaths dont happen in the game, they are just there for fun.

And I think it would be a terrible retconm, only a few things rock in the story of that game.

XiahouDun84

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•02/22/2008 04:25 AM (UTC) •

1) Overly catering to fans
I note a lot of people listing Armageddon as one of the worst things......why did they make Armageddon? Because fans demanded it. Why was Meat brought back? Because fans demanded it. Why is quantity often placed over quality? Because a lot fans think more=better. There's nothing wrong with listening to your fanbase. There's nothing wrong with trying to please the fans. But you have to learn to draw the line at some point. At some point you have to realize you can't please everyone and, (now this is going to sound harsh) the sad fact is, that some fans don't deserve to be pleased because they want stupid things.

2) Making death meaningless
Mortal Kombat is supposed to be a life & death struggle involving numerous battles and wars....and yet no one's dead. Really pisses on the drama when death itself isn't even a consequence.

3) Movies, TV shows, & comics
The first movie was enjoyable fluff. Nothing more. Some of the things they incorporated were worth-while...like Raiden being a mentor. But most everything else....the Kitana/Liu Kang romance, Scorpion being a villain, Kitana under a spell, the Johnny Cage/Goro "rivalry," and lot of other things I don't recall.....fucking garbage. The less they blur the line between the games and other media, the better.

4) Shaolin Monks' storyline
Fucking awful shit. I mean, how fucking stupid do they think we are? Reason I don't list this higher is because the canonicity is questionable. Fortunately, the MK team was wise enough to back off on that idea.

5) Ruining Scorpion
Scorpion once was a decent character who could've been great. He had the moves and charisma, and he was moving along and developing in the story nicely. But then they decided to make Scorpion simply the marketing whore. Now, more emphasis is placed on his fanboy-bait qualities and he's been shallowed into a nitwit in the story. Now he's just a joke who won't go away.

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•02/24/2008 03:11 PM (UTC) •

legend_armlet Wrote:
What 's the 5 worst thing Midway did on the MK saga according to you?

Here's my mind:

1) MK Armageddon:
What's the interest of making a fighting game with 60+ characters when u don't have enough time to finish it?
It ruined this game overall. There are 2 fighting styles instead of 3. And each fighting style has less moves than in MKDA and MKD + air kombat sucks as it looks likes an anti-air system and it's universal. The bios are missing, the endings are ridiculous. KAF is horrible cause Midway was too lazy to make "sprites". And to crown all, too many characters's bio have changed just to avoid a ressurection.

2) The MKSM story.
MKSM was a great game in terms of game play. But why couldn't MKSM have been made on the MK1 comic book?
(See XD84 MKSM storyline analysis for more)

3) The MK3, UMK3 and MKT fatalities:
These games had excellent fatalities such as Shang Tsung's soul steal, Sheeva's skin rip or Reptile's vomitting spit. But why does the opponent have a ton of bones when he explodes? And why did an headless body remain standing? Plus, when the opponent is cut in several parts, his hands remain next to his torso. It doesn't make sense to put rotten and excellent results together.

4) Tranforming Smoke into a robot:
This guy could have been an excellent ninja like Sub-Zero. Instead, Midway ruined him in every points. He's just a poor henchman without having his own purpose. And we'll probably never know, how powerfull he could have been if he was still a ninja with his own moves.

5) Green and black blood.
I'm not against green or black blood but what they did to Reptile, Sheeva, Motaro and Noob Saibot doesn't make sense.
Reptile had red blood till MK2, then green for UMK3 and MKT. Then red again for MK4 and Gold, Then back again to green blood. From green to red about Motaro + same about sheeva. And Noob had red blood until MKG, then his blood became black cause he's teaming with Smoke.
WTF?

totally agree with you even tough there few points i disappear:

about mksm storyline..it's true..but was a necessary sacrifice.
look at some important characters like Jax and Cage:if Goro and kano(just to make two examples) did not appeared in the game two of the major characters in MK storyline would not have a role.

i liked ermac cameo,the nly avoidable cameo was jade one:it's a homage to mk2,but she should srvive against Kung Lao and Liu Kang.

and about the blood :i like three(four considering Blaze orange one) colored bloods.
maybe this color need be taken in every game...but i think it's secondary.

smoke turned into a cyborg was a great move:the suffering of his transformation is one of the most original storyline in MK

reppy

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•02/25/2008 10:53 PM (UTC) •

In no particular order:

1. Reptile: honestly, it's my own fault for expecting them to take his personal storyline somewhere meaningful. Shame on me for caring about a character. I'll never love again!

2. MK Special Forces: I bought it. I played it. I beat it. Then I returned it. My god that thing was bad. Konquest mode in MKA is deeper than this entire game. Oh yeah, love the totally shameless jaunt through the shower room complete with super blocky polygonal naked chick. Right there I knew they were banking on flash to cover for the lack of substance.

3. MK Mythologies: while I'm able to play this game fairly well and I like the storyline, even I have to admit that the mechanics of the fighting games simply don't translate well into a side scroller.

4. MKSM's storyline: I don't care if Midway is considering this thing canon. I won't and never will. The gameplay is awesome and a lot of fun, but the story is attrociously bad. And it sounds like they're still against hiring professional voice actors! Who did Liu's voice? Bob over by the water cooler?

5. MKA: *sigh* Where to even begin. Closure for an era? Not even close.

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•03/13/2008 02:25 PM (UTC) •

1,2,4 agreed.I believe there should be a human-ninja Smoke at Alternate costume (at least)
3)MK2 "bugs": you know noob and jade coming out of the trees, playing with noob and the other 2 ones
5)MK1 "bugs": withches and UFOs floating by the Bridge arena. Also Goro is SO FUCKING annoying when he is "showing off"

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•03/13/2008 02:49 PM (UTC) •

legend_armlet Wrote:
What 's the 5 worst thing
5) Green and black blood.
I'm not against green or black blood but what they did to Reptile, Sheeva, Motaro and Noob Saibot doesn't make sense.
Reptile had red blood till MK2, then green for UMK3 and MKT. Then red again for MK4 and Gold, Then back again to green blood. From green to red about Motaro + same about sheeva. And Noob had red blood until MKG, then his blood became black cause he's teaming with Smoke.
WTF?

I have a perfectly fake explanation for this, Reptile was experimenting with heroin, but he mistakenly put food coloring into his syringe, why do you think he's so scaly, Motaro and sheeva were also addicts, they accidently dropped there needles into a red-blooded kombatant and it gave them AIDS (which explains Motaro MKA, because centaurs dont have HIV(or should it be CIV, centaur immunodeficiency virus) in their species) and motaro mutated into a red blooded two legged centaur, as for sheeva, well, Shokan's don't have an AIDS virus either. As for Noob, all of the Smoking(pun intended) finally caught up to him, the tar was in more than just his lungs, heh heh

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