Theory: MK1 Reptile Is Actually Chameleon

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Ok so you have this ninja down there, with his clothing mixed of Blue and Yellow to make green, and can do those moves.

then later on as more ninjas come out, there's so many that his clothing constantly changes with his transparent skin.

I know it's Kooky.
but can anyone shed light on what Chameleon was doing during MK1?

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•09/18/2010 06:25 PM (UTC) •

Chilly-McFreeze Wrote:
Ok so you have this ninja down there, with his clothing mixed of Blue and Yellow to make green, and can do those moves.

then later on as more ninjas come out, there's so many that his clothing constantly changes with his transparent skin.

I know it's Kooky.
but can anyone shed light on what Chameleon was doing during MK1?

Theory has a Major Hole... being that Reptile and Chameleon are two different characters. The info of Chameleon's whereabouts during MK1 are truly unknown for now. As with characters that were not to be taken serious, he never really had a true story but a bland one as "One of Shao Kahn's deadliest fighters" and had been "lurking in the shadows since MK1 to only reveal himself in MK:A". It reminds me of how they portrayed Ermac in UMK3 until they actually gave him a great storyline in later games. Supposedly Chameleon is like Reptile, of Saurian race, but it's neither confirmed or denied. All we know is he's one of Shao Kahn's warriors and until they go in-depth with his orgins, he will remain "hidden in sight".

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•09/18/2010 07:28 PM (UTC) •

I'm just saying it makes perfect sence with all the move copying.

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•09/18/2010 07:41 PM (UTC) •

Except that MK1 Reptile's moves aren't canon but his story is. He was definitely at the tournament, acting as Shang's bodyguard, not as a competitor in the bracket, which is why you only fight him if you find him.

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•09/20/2010 12:41 AM (UTC) •

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Except that MK1 Reptile's moves aren't canon but his story is. He was definitely at the tournament, acting as Shang's bodyguard, not as a competitor in the bracket, which is why you only fight him if you find him.

why does he have Sub and Scorp's moves then?

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•09/20/2010 10:22 PM (UTC) •

Chilly-McFreeze Wrote:

why does he have Sub and Scorp's moves then?

Because yellow plus blue = green and they hadn't conceived of him as a real character yet, he was just a gimmick.

He didn't get a storyline or his REAL moves until MK2.

The exact same reason Human Smoke and Noob have Scorpion's moves in MK2 and Jade has Kitana's, but they've never used those since, they all eventually got REAL movesets that were entirely their own. That lazy programming for hidden characters shit does not count. It ain't canon. They were there, but those aren't their moves.

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•09/21/2010 08:44 AM (UTC) •

Chilly-McFreeze Wrote:
sence

Sense.

Disregard the move copying. It happened simply because they needed a composite secret character. That is all. Reptile as a character was not developed until MK2.

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•09/21/2010 04:20 PM (UTC) •

Chrome Wrote:

Chilly-McFreeze Wrote:
sence

Sense.

Disregard the move copying. It happened simply because they needed a composite secret character. That is all. Reptile as a character was not developed until MK2.

Then why give him directly the ninja moves?
why couldn't they have given him Raiden's lightning or teleport or Kano's Knife Throw

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•09/21/2010 05:23 PM (UTC) •

To be honest, I'd use this theory to explain the presence of Classic Sub-Zero and Classic Smoke in the MK3 saga more than Reptile here, just because we know that it is Reptile, as he was mentioned in the MK2 comic, and developed as a character, whereas Classic Smoke and Classic Sub-Zero were not.
The reason he has the ninja's moves is also out of laziness; those moves were programmed to be used with that sprite, so they just kept them as is.

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•09/21/2010 07:00 PM (UTC) •

Jerrod Wrote:
To be honest, I'd use this theory to explain the presence of Classic Sub-Zero and Classic Smoke in the MK3 saga more than Reptile here, just because we know that it is Reptile, as he was mentioned in the MK2 comic, and developed as a character, whereas Classic Smoke and Classic Sub-Zero were not.
The reason he has the ninja's moves is also out of laziness; those moves were programmed to be used with that sprite, so they just kept them as is.

except that the projectiles and characters are separate.

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•09/21/2010 07:06 PM (UTC) •

MK1 Rep's moves are canon. Canon and continuity are different things.

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•09/21/2010 10:42 PM (UTC) •

OptimusGrime Wrote:
Canon and continuity are different things.

Not really, no. The word "canon" means, basically, "stuff that counts." It originates from church/bible rules and laws, like saying "these passages are officially recognized, these other ones are not." And it was in modern times adapted to apply to any work of fiction's continuity. Thus, the terms are related to the point of being absolutely interchangeable.

But semantics aren't the point. The point is that MK1 Reptile's moves do not count. They have been retconned by MK2 Reptile. As far as the storyline is concerned, he cannot freeze or throw spears and he never could.

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•09/21/2010 10:49 PM (UTC) •

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:

OptimusGrime Wrote:
Canon and continuity are different things.

THEN WHO WAS SPEAR!?

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•09/22/2010 12:22 AM (UTC) •

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:

OptimusGrime Wrote:
Canon and continuity are different things.

See, Chilly? I told ya. We sould have put some money down on this.

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•09/22/2010 03:02 AM (UTC) •

OptimusGrime Wrote:

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:

OptimusGrime Wrote:
Canon and continuity are different things.

See, Chilly? I told ya. We sould have put some money down on this.

There was no way I was going to bet against this.

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•09/22/2010 02:36 PM (UTC) •

Is this for real? Reptile just had Scorpion and Sub-Zero's moves in MK1 becuase of pure laziness, plus, he was a difficult character. Why the heck would you want Raiden's lightning bolt as a move or Kano's rolling thunder move? No, he's a combination of both Sub-Zero and Scorpion, the two "ninja" characters, and he was a ninja as well.

Not to mention, I doubt the creators would have called him Chameleon if his name bar had Reptile for the character's name...

There's your answer.

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•09/22/2010 07:59 PM (UTC) •

Icebaby Wrote:
Is this for real? Reptile just had Scorpion and Sub-Zero's moves in MK1 becuase of pure laziness, plus, he was a difficult character. Why the heck would you want Raiden's lightning bolt as a move or Kano's rolling thunder move? No, he's a combination of both Sub-Zero and Scorpion, the two "ninja" characters, and he was a ninja as well.

Not to mention, I doubt the creators would have called him Chameleon if his name bar had Reptile for the character's name...

There's your answer.

His name bar said Scorpion.

and of course they can always retcon it.

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•09/25/2010 01:06 AM (UTC) •

Chilly-McFreeze Wrote:

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:

OptimusGrime Wrote:
Canon and continuity are different things.

THEN WHO WAS SPEAR!?

I don't know, who the hell is spear?

btw, I understand what you're trying to say, but you are just making this too damn complicated, suffice it to say that it was the developers laziness/lack of in game memory to create a whole new moveset and 10 complete characters (even though that breaks the fourth wall).

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•09/26/2010 12:00 AM (UTC) •

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/then-who-was-phone
is spear.

Out of that laziness with Reptile in MK1 they could just retcon it and be like "ok yeah that was chameleon using the ninja powers that were available at the time"

Reptile was pretty much a clean slate in MK2 and only known as "a bodyguard"
well whoop-de-doo and only fighting him when you FIND him works for Chameleon also because it often says "he's been hiding since the first tournament"

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•09/26/2010 07:59 AM (UTC) •

Nobody likes the idea, man. Give it a rest.

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•09/26/2010 04:22 PM (UTC) •

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Nobody likes the idea, man. Give it a rest.

I like the idea
that's all that matters.

I didn't make this topic to get your permission to have an opinion, Razor.

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•09/27/2010 07:32 AM (UTC) •

What DID you hope to accomplish by posting the topic then, if not to get other people to approve or agree with you?

It's not like you were gonna convince anyone that this was actual canon. You're just going, basically, "check out my fanfic idea."

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•09/27/2010 04:46 PM (UTC) •

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
What DID you hope to accomplish by posting the topic then, if not to get other people to approve or agree with you?

It's not like you were gonna convince anyone that this was actual canon. You're just going, basically, "check out my fanfic idea."

My theory makes sense
whether you like it or not

neither character had their exact location known in MK1
and they could always retcon it so it actually is Chameleon.

Either that or sometime down the road they explain how Reptile got different powers.

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•09/27/2010 07:34 PM (UTC) •

Chilly-McFreeze Wrote:

His name bar said Scorpion.

and of course they can always retcon it.

Yes, it was Scorpion, when you're talking about Reptile in the entire paragraph, you seem to forget to change a few names that shouldn't be in there.

But still, despite the name was Scorpion, people still referred to him as Reptile. Having him being called Chameleon makes complete no sense whatsoever.