Your biggest gripes with MK?
0
posted10/27/2013 03:54 PM (UTC)by
Avatar
KungLaodoesntsuck
Avatar
About Me

Member Since
07/26/2011 01:33 AM (UTC)
Let's face it, we all love MK. Why else would we come to an MK fansite? But like every other game, it has it's problems. Here's my gripes with MK:

Constant redesigns.

Do we really need a new costume for everybody every game? It seems like the designs are really hit or miss too. You either really like them or really hate them. You see that's why I like Tekken. They generally keep the same looks for characters. They don't make new designs every game. The inconsistency is killing me.

Death is completely meaningless.

Why even have death in MK if it has no real consequence? It really just seems cheap to kill a character off then just have them come back. I really hope they fix this down the line. But I doubt it.

What about you guys? What bugs you when it comes to MK?
Avatar
Rockchalk5477
06/29/2013 11:25 PM (UTC)
0
- Constant changes in characters' physical appearances
- Improperly designing/dressing certain characters (i.e. Sonya) solely for eye candy
- Meaningless and cheap deaths
- Introducing potentially great characters and then abandoning them with little to no characterization, often for years
- In that same vein, deciding to nix certain characters that were never fully developed, and instead introduce more half-baked characters to the lot (i.e. Cyber Subz)
- Two-dimensional villains. Give them some depth, damnit.

That's all for now. Good topic. smile
Icebaby Wrote: The fans.

A very valid point, as well.
Just listen to the backlash if characters share a move.
"CLONE CHARACTER! furious Worst character ever!!!"
Avatar
Icebaby
06/29/2013 11:30 PM (UTC)
0
The fans.

Nit pick after nit pick about some really stupid things. I thought that Mass Effect had some crummy fans with them trying to beg the creators to change the ending, but I was wrong. I'm gonna get bitched at, but after the reaction to the latest game... I mean we had to make a stickied thread about rants, how many that were popping was just absurd.

Now, I'm not going to say that those who have an issue with some things of this game are being included into this post, that's not who I'm referring to. Those who have a gripe with some of THE dumbest things such as "How could they give Mileena Tarkatan eyes?" "Why is Noob Saibot announced when picked but only has Noob in his health bar." I'm actually working on a video that has me talking about this... (The whole nitpicking thing, and so far I've gotten a HELL of a lot of topics to talk about)

I have some things that I didn't like in this game, but it's not something that is so meaningless. One of them was that I wished the scene where Sindel is killing everyone, I wished it would have lasted a little bit longer and made it seem that the Earthrealm heroes had somewhat of a chance to win. And the other is that I wish I could hear the music a bit better.

But my goodness, when Freddy was introduced... I still have no respect for most of the users that lashed out at those who actually enjoyed this character. I did like this character because I thought that this guy had some interesting specials, and he's one of my favorite horror characters. But the backlash that those who liked him got... Sorry, I will never accept the apologies from those who acted like a bitch, and sure that might be a bad word to use in this situation, but you all have to admit, that thread was just insane after everyone started lashing out.

*Sighs* I guess that's really what I have against Mortal Kombat. Sure it might be something that people could get annoyed with, but it is kind of ridiculous with how much hate that went into this latest game.
Avatar
legoslayer10
06/30/2013 02:42 AM (UTC)
0
Ed F'n Boon.

he's a great guy and all, and I love a lot of the stuff he's done. He created MK and is quite the smart guy, able to contort your mind into believing things that aren't true. But his secrets.

Oh, ed and his secrets. I remember he was discussing the past of MK in around '08 or '09 and said there were secrets in DEADLY ALLIANCE that still haven't been found. And he won't tell us.
Now, hiding thing for a bit is fine. But there's a threshhold for when you break the ice.
Avatar
LordSkarlet
06/30/2013 05:29 AM (UTC)
0
The fact that every new game, they always have to fucking with something either the combat, the characters, etc etc. They never can stay consistent. Plus one grip I have is that IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE SCORPION YOUR MAIN CHARACTER NETHEREALM, STOP MAKING HIM HAVE TERRIBLE COMBAT.

Another one I have is they seriously need to come up with a better ending for Kitana then this stupid Charlies Angels type ending in the past few games.
Avatar
KungLaodoesntsuck
07/02/2013 05:32 PM (UTC)
0
Here's another complaint of mine:

The Bosses are pathetically easy

Seriously, once you get halfway decent and learn a solid combo the bosses are ridiculously easy. You could jump the entire match and only land jump kicks and still win the fight. Only boss that was moderately challenging was Shang Tsung and that's only on the hardest difficulty.

I seriously hope Shinnok is a formidable boss in MK10.
Avatar
xDarkeningKrystals
Avatar
About Me
Proud Fan since MKII.
07/03/2013 04:48 PM (UTC)
0
The fact that they gave into fanservice and started making the outfits unbelievably revealing, it's just so exaggerated you can tell they're trying too hard.

How some fatalities are just so uncreative and lack detail like Kobra's "Oh, I'll just kick your head repeatedly" or Li Mei's "I'll impale you with my foot then kick your head off!" come on, you guys could have done better these days. I'm not even an huge fan of Liu Kang's Fist of Flame fatality, sure it's nice and gory but kinda lackluster.
Avatar
StormChaser
07/04/2013 06:58 PM (UTC)
0
-As the games progress, the men wear more clothes (think Sub-Zero) and the women less.

-Cyber Sub-Zero. Ugh. If I could find a barfing emoticon, I would use it. So, this will have to do: furious

Kung Lao wrote "Death is completely meaningless. Why even have death in MK if it has no real consequence? It really just seems cheap to kill a character off then just have them come back. I really hope they fix this down the line. But I doubt it. " I agree, in ANY medium. If the biggest risk in life is death, and then that's removed, why care when someone dies? Death in any medium (literature, television, games) should be curtains for a character, not a minor inconvinence.
Avatar
legoslayer10
07/05/2013 04:02 AM (UTC)
0
All characters a amperdextrious. Absolutely every character in the game can do anything with their right hand they can with their left (except for Drahmin. They did good on that toppic.)

Mokap and Kobra.
Avatar
Noobsmoke92
07/05/2013 12:48 PM (UTC)
0
Not sticking with its own canon. MK9 is the prime example of that. Still want the retelling of the ORIGINAL MK1-MK3 events.

And I want them to leave Deadly Alliance and Deception timeline alone,since I know they are gonna retcon and fuck up lots of stuff and characters,so just rewrite the course of events after MK9.

They can change MK4 timeline for all I care,since it was bare bone,but the main theme of Shinnok and Quan Chi raising legions of demons and undead to attack the realms should stay (which I am anticipating since MK9 ending HEAVILY implied it).
Avatar
legoslayer10
07/05/2013 05:46 PM (UTC)
0
Noobsmoke92 Wrote:
Not sticking with its own canon. MK9...


They can change MK4 timeline for all I care,since it was bare bone,but the main theme of Shinnok and Quan Chi raising legions of demons and undead to attack the realms should stay (which I am anticipating since MK9 ending HEAVILY implied it).
2 issues with this;
1; How do they not stick to canon in MK? They always remember what has happened, and in MK9, that wasn't not sticking to canon, that was Raiden trying to make it so Kahn couldn't survive to the Battle of Armageddon. All of MK1-Armageddon still happened, now, it's just another story telling how Raiden stopped Kahn winning the Battle of Armageddon. I really can't see your gripe here.

2; If they rewrite the story for MK4, that basically would mean having to remove the Shinnook saga... I don't understand how you would be fine with a re-write of MK4 when you think that Shinnok has the be the next villian.
Avatar
Noobsmoke92
07/06/2013 09:32 AM (UTC)
0
legoslayer10 Wrote:

2 issues with this;
1; How do they not stick to canon in MK? They always remember what has happened, and in MK9, that wasn't not sticking to canon, that was Raiden trying to make it so Kahn couldn't survive to the Battle of Armageddon. All of MK1-Armageddon still happened, now, it's just another story telling how Raiden stopped Kahn winning the Battle of Armageddon. I really can't see your gripe here.

2; If they rewrite the story for MK4, that basically would mean having to remove the Shinnook saga... I don't understand how you would be fine with a re-write of MK4 when you think that Shinnok has the be the next villian.


1)There are stuff in MK9,that Raiden didn't even change. Some examples:
Mileena and Kitana's backstory, the island not crumbling after Shang Tsung was defeated, Bi-Han working for Shang Tsung and NOT assassinating him, the whole resurrection of Sindel being Quan Chi's work,not Shang Tsung's,etc. I can go on and on,but it is gonna be a long list...THIS is called not sticking with your own canon (and I repeat,these things WERE NOT changed by Raiden's interference)

2) I meant rewrite ANYTHING ELSE besides the fact Shinnok and Quan Chi are attacking the realms. Stuff like it is NOT Liu Kang who defeats Shinnok, Sonya and Jax (well,Jax is dead anyways) are NOT the ones restoring Cyrax, or maybe Fujin becoming the Protector of Earthrealm after all is said and done,etc.
Avatar
xDarkeningKrystals
Avatar
About Me
Proud Fan since MKII.
07/06/2013 03:36 PM (UTC)
0
Noobsmoke92 Wrote:

1)There are stuff in MK9,that Raiden didn't even change. Some examples:
Mileena and Kitana's backstory, the island not crumbling after Shang Tsung was defeated, Bi-Han working for Shang Tsung and NOT assassinating him, the whole resurrection of Sindel being Quan Chi's work,not Shang Tsung's,etc. I can go on and on,but it is gonna be a long list...THIS is called not sticking with your own canon (and I repeat,these things WERE NOT changed by Raiden's interference)


I'm gonna have to agree with this. I'm still perplexed why Jax was held captive during the early MK1 chapters. confused Jax didn't even get involved in MK until II when an distress signal lead him to believe Sonya was still alive. However, I feel they changed Shang Tsung to Quan Chi doing it was simply to move the plot the along.
Avatar
Noobsmoke92
07/06/2013 04:03 PM (UTC)
0
xDarkeningKrystals Wrote:
Noobsmoke92 Wrote:

1)There are stuff in MK9,that Raiden didn't even change. Some examples:
Mileena and Kitana's backstory, the island not crumbling after Shang Tsung was defeated, Bi-Han working for Shang Tsung and NOT assassinating him, the whole resurrection of Sindel being Quan Chi's work,not Shang Tsung's,etc. I can go on and on,but it is gonna be a long list...THIS is called not sticking with your own canon (and I repeat,these things WERE NOT changed by Raiden's interference)


I'm gonna have to agree with this. I'm still perplexed why Jax was held captive during the early MK1 chapters. confused Jax didn't even get involved in MK until II when an distress signal lead him to believe Sonya was still alive. However, I feel they changed Shang Tsung to Quan Chi doing it was simply to move the plot the along.


Pretty much after MK1 Shang Tsung wasn't needed as a sorcerer character, who helps the big bad guy,Quan Chi was just that and more,which wasn't the case in the original trilogy.

Regarding Jax,yeah,I always felt that showing Sonya react to the murder of her crew by Masked Guards and Shang Tsung would have been more interesting and emotional, and potentially show what the tournament is all about. Except Sub-Zero's death,which was supposed to happen anyways,there were no more deaths at the first tournament in MK1. It is fricking MORTAL Kombat after all,Goddammit!
Avatar
StormChaser
07/06/2013 08:13 PM (UTC)
0
Right- the storyline should have only be altered from the point when Raiden went back in time, not anything that happened before. It's like in Back to the Future- Marty only changes the past starting at the point when he goes back.

So, if Rayden went back in the past at point x, nothing before point x would be changed. There are two different theories of time travel that complicate things- one, the theory that anything you do in the past can have catastrophic changes on the future; or two, time is kind of "self-correcting" and no matter what you do, people are still bound to the same fate (for instance, maybe Johnny would be doomed to die no matter how hard anyone tried to save him).
Avatar
Historical Favorite
07/07/2013 09:58 AM (UTC)
0
The return to 2D. Why am I paying more money for fewer dimensions?
Avatar
PickleMendip
Avatar
About Me

STATE FED LIES CHARM EMPTY EYES. Anon.

07/07/2013 03:16 PM (UTC)
0
Kung Lao's crappy combos in the latest game.

more to follow... EDIT: no chess kombat since Deception. It would have been so easy to implement in Armageddon, then maybe more people would have liked it.
Avatar
xDarkeningKrystals
Avatar
About Me
Proud Fan since MKII.
07/09/2013 01:18 AM (UTC)
0
StormChaser Wrote:
Right- the storyline should have only be altered from the point when Raiden went back in time, not anything that happened before. It's like in Back to the Future- Marty only changes the past starting at the point when he goes back.

So, if Rayden went back in the past at point x, nothing before point x would be changed. There are two different theories of time travel that complicate things- one, the theory that anything you do in the past can have catastrophic changes on the future; or two, time is kind of "self-correcting" and no matter what you do, people are still bound to the same fate (for instance, maybe Johnny would be doomed to die no matter how hard anyone tried to save him).


Now that I think about it how do they explain Reptile's appearance? He's already "de-evolved" if you will, in MK, II and 3 chapters but in the old timeline he only started looking more lizard like and less human later in the storyline. In Deadly Alliance, part of Cyrax's Storyline was that his armpanel was destroyed by some creature, resulting in him being stranded in Outworld, He then realizes that it was Reptile but that he did not recognize him, Shang Tsung didn't know it was him either, so they're retconning this? This honestly bugs me now that I noticed this. sad
Avatar
Harle
07/14/2013 11:49 PM (UTC)
0
StormChaser Wrote:
-As the games progress, the men wear more clothes (think Sub-Zero) and the women less.



This is one of my biggest gripes. I can't believe how great the series was doing with designs once Ashrah came along as the first fully clothed female of the series (and looked great, though Sonya kept her clothes on for the most part before then) and how far it has fallen since then. The females look like shit in the latest MK. Sexy and revealing can be great when done smartly, but these costumes sacrifice all quality just to be as revealing as possible... They even took Mileena's Deception look and ruined it by trying to make it sexier. It was already sexy, she didn't need the fishnet on her twat. I also strongly dislike the whole "men must be big tough badasses" nonsense, but that's a whole different thing. Women that have to be sexy and men that must be badass is a problem I have with games in general... But other games manage to subvert the trend and have badass women and sexy men... MK is just designed by teenage boys for teenage boys.

My other gripe at the moment is the huge difference in character's move lists. Sonya has twice as many (possibly more) options as Mileena. Some characters have four special moves, others have twice that. It's not just special moves though, I pointed out Sonya and Mileena because Sonya has twice as many normal moves AND special moves as Mileena.
Avatar
xDarkeningKrystals
Avatar
About Me
Proud Fan since MKII.
07/15/2013 03:30 PM (UTC)
0
^
Not mention, How comes when it comes to clothing damage, ALL the women's straps holding their clothing are ALWAYS torn (therefore being more revealing) but all the guys have is chunks of their knee/shin guards bent/torn and the torn clothing on their chest and backs just reveals torn flesh and skin tissue? confused
Avatar
KungLaodoesntsuck
07/15/2013 05:41 PM (UTC)
0
PickleMendip Wrote:
Kung Lao's crappy combos in the latest game.


I thought his combos were actually pretty good. I love that his style is very Shaolin Monk. The only thing I would gripe about is his Legbar and it's follow ups. Just because those seem out of place for a Shaolin Monk. I also liked that he had a few moves where he'd take off the hat and hit them that way.

As for Chess Kombat, I preferred Puzzle Kombat. If Chess Kombat actually played more like Chess then maybe I'd like it more.
Avatar
KungLaodoesntsuck
09/20/2013 05:46 AM (UTC)
0
Here's another complaint I have:

I feel like Armageddon should've been non-canon

If Armageddon was non-canon it could've been like our version of Tekken Tag Tournament but without the Tag. Just a fun excuse to bring back all the characters, create your own characters and fatalities, and not throw the old canon out the window.
Avatar
StormChaser
09/21/2013 02:34 AM (UTC)
0
KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:
Here's another complaint I have:

I feel like Armageddon should've been non-canon

If Armageddon was non-canon it could've been like our version of Tekken Tag Tournament but without the Tag. Just a fun excuse to bring back all the characters, create your own characters and fatalities, and not throw the old canon out the window.


Kind of like how UMK3 was non-canon, and just an excuse for everyone to get together and brawl.
Avatar
RazorsEdge701
09/21/2013 04:56 PM (UTC)
0
xDarkeningKrystals Wrote:
Now that I think about it how do they explain Reptile's appearance? He's already "de-evolved" if you will, in MK, II and 3 chapters but in the old timeline he only started looking more lizard like and less human later in the storyline. In Deadly Alliance, part of Cyrax's Storyline was that his armpanel was destroyed by some creature, resulting in him being stranded in Outworld, He then realizes that it was Reptile but that he did not recognize him, Shang Tsung didn't know it was him either, so they're retconning this? This honestly bugs me now that I noticed this. sad


Reptile's always been a scaly green creature. In MK1 thru 3 he's wearing a disguise to look like a human being, but you can see what he REALLY looks like every time he takes off his mask to spit acid or eat someone's head, or in his endings.

Reptile's devolution in Deadly Alliance was him growing a tail, longer snout, and spikes down his back like a dinosaur. Those features are why Cyrax and Shang couldn't tell who he was when they met him.

The way he looks in MK4, Shaolin Monks, and MK9 is just his normal self without the human disguise. He hasn't started devolving yet.

StormChaser Wrote:
Kind of like how UMK3 was non-canon, and just an excuse for everyone to get together and brawl.


Huh? UMK3 and Trilogy were canon. They were just expansion packs of a sort for MK3, so they had the same story 3 did, but the characters added in those games like Scorpion, Kitana, Ermac, and Rain's stories all count towards the storyline.
Avatar
PickleMendip
Avatar
About Me

STATE FED LIES CHARM EMPTY EYES. Anon.

09/23/2013 01:36 AM (UTC)
0
KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:
PickleMendip Wrote:
Kung Lao's crappy combos in the latest game.


I thought his combos were actually pretty good. I love that his style is very Shaolin Monk. The only thing I would gripe about is his Legbar and it's follow ups. Just because those seem out of place for a Shaolin Monk. I also liked that he had a few moves where he'd take off the hat and hit them that way.

As for Chess Kombat, I preferred Puzzle Kombat. If Chess Kombat actually played more like Chess then maybe I'd like it more.


I really didn't get on with the dial-up combos. The one that requires you to tap 5 buttons at light speed, the ones with the throw in the middle followed by one more push that hardly ever registers, and then stringing the combos together? Forget it. I mean, in previous games (DA, A, SM) Kung Lao was very strong in terms of solid combos, just feels like they tried something with him that turned out very limiting. ^^ also, as above, i dislike the unnecessary uber-sexualisation of the women's outfits. Like i've said before, i know hookers who wore more on the job than the MK females in recent installments.
Pages: 2
Download on the App StoreGet it on Google Play
© 1998-2024 Shadow Knight Media, LLC. All rights reserved. Read our Privacy Policy.
Mortal Kombat, the dragon logo and all character names are trademarks and copyright of Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc.