Hey mate

Yeh, I agree, this Sub-zero is really slow. I hav'nt played any online but just playing sub in Arcade ladder, he's slow as shit. Maybe NRS did this deliberately to turn players onto Cyber-Sub, who IMO is a much better character to play with.

But yes, I agree with you. Normal/Elder Sub is very slow.

Yeah, all everyone does just sit back and throw balls, and if you get close, does a slide and then some other stupid shit of if you get close and then go in for a jump attack, makes a clone and then slowly combos your ass. He just pisses me off. cyber Sub, even though I don't play him, if you get good, he really is a formidable foe. He's good once you master him.

Sub Zero is hard to use but very good once you master him. In fact Tom Brady (who is one of the world's top MK players and who did a lot of testing of the game for NRS before it was released, rates him as THE number 1 character. Well I believe he has now said it is Kung Lao but whatever, he is still good)

He does not have as long or flashy combos as a lot of the other characters but still has some decent. ones.

HERE is a link to some for you.

Well there we go! I wanna see stuff like this online instead of cheap Sub-Zero spammers. Thanks for showin me.

No probs man (or girl). Make sure to go over to the Strategy Zone Forum. There are all sorts of vids of really high quality play there, and quite a bit of Sub Zero. You just have to snoop around a little. EDIT: Made it a little easier for you...Clicky Thingy This is the aforementioned Tommy B in action. He loses here but you will still get the idea of what these guys are capable of.

The strategy zone would help this thread more than this zone, it happened to me with other subby thread.

He seems slow on execution, but he has some of the best normals on this game. The one that you should use most is 2,2 (punch and sword up), but instead of doing a third 2, you can chain to many things, like an inmediate iceball, a 4 + ice clone to throw a kick and set a barrier, etc... (I even throw the slide if the opponent is blocking high the first 2 hits). This move is very decent on speed and allows you to freeze your opponent on hit, so then it doesn't matter too much if Sub-Zero seems slow or not. I don't think he is really slow, people say the same about Kenshi, this two just have the feeling of being heavy on their movements, but both can initiate combos very fast. I'm not sure if there is a really slow character on the game (not being tagged as a boss).

BTW: If you use the ground freeze, hen you can say he is slow, this is probably the most useless move on the entire game. Never use it, simply act like his specials are just the slide, clone, and ball. I hope in the next game they give him the ice parry that he had on MKvsDC and now have cyber-subby, but without taking the clone from him. That or make the ground ice enhaced version the normal version, and the enhaced version having spikes like his original X-Ray starter with a much faster start.

Tom Brady is really good with Sub-Zero, and I found another player in tournaments named Chago who plays a ver agressive Sub-Zero.

For example, when I play Kabal (a guy with powers related with speed) I feel like he is mega, ultra, slow and have a hard time trying to land his X-Ray, then I see the player Michelangelo playing tournaments with him and I aknowledge that he isn't slow. You have to choose the right moves and combos with each character you play.

I'm sorry, I know MK is just a game, but a game is a simulation. In the case of MK it is a simulation of a fight. A fight to the death. A fight to the death which ends in either your body parts getting ripped off, your balls kicked in or a lizzard freak puking acid into your stomach. There is no room for "playing fair".

People like to win and most of us will do anything to accomplish that. You will find there are many ways for you to get a chance to use the combos you know if you just study the game a little and learn your opponent's character and his tendencies.

I main SZ and I can tell you he is one of the best characters in the game. He may be slow but his combo's do lots of damage. You can create lots of powerful juggles with him so he has enough set ups for a variety of powerful combo's. I can win a round in about 3 combo's and have no problem pulling any of them off online. His ice clone is one of the best (if not the best) moves in the game. You can control a lot of the fighting in a match with this move. His slide is a great tool for getting away, playing mind games, or finishing (blocked) combo's (since it has to be blocked low). His enhanced ice beam comes out really fast and is especially handy against distant fireball spammers. Just to name some of his advantages.

The trick to really master him is to play lots of online matches.

All in all, SZ is a great and powerful character. Enough to have given me a ratio of more than 650 player match wins versus 160 losses in online mode.

Sub-Zero has always been strong, I don't think he's slow, but like what others have said, he's kind of hard to master

Sub-Zero's not slow, his biggest combos are easy to do online, he just has nothing spammable, and finally Ice Nugget was the dumbest shit ever.

My favorite incarnation of Sub-Zero was in MK vs. DC...

His moveset was absolutely perfect (Teleport and all).

Yes, he is a tad slower.As for his teleport in MKvsDC...No. He should have an awesome melting teleport instead

agree, i used to use him alot, but now he's just to slow.

the problem with MK and slow characters is,
when you play top players and your opponent has a faster player like kung lao, and your opponent is giving alot of pressure its difficult to intercept.

this for me makes slow characters suck in MK.

in sf4 slow character still have the fast jabs (square) and kicks (cross) to intercept

I actually don't think Sub-Zero is slow in this game. In the demo he was pretty much the only one I used. At first glance he felt he really slow to me compared to Scorpion and Mileena. I didn't like it.

After an hour or so with him the "slowness" went away and I didn't notice it anymore.

Sub-Zero's basic combos and moves seem to flow naturally from one another to me. He "feels" very fluid and fast to me when you really get going. When you're very aggressive with Sub it's hard for your opponent to get you out of their face.

I still mained him in mkda, mkd, and mka but I hated his play style in that game. He did feel slow to me in those. I loved him in mk vs dc. I hated the teleport though. Sub-Zero should never have a teleport. Neither should Scarlett or Kung Lao for that matter.

I have to say though, this might be my favorite version of Sub-Zero ever, tied with mk1. I'm not saying that because it's the new game either. Sub-Zero's in the top 10 characters tier wise in this game, and he feels like a truly complete character gameplay wise.

The only thing I would like to see changed is that useless ground freeze. It needs something done to it so that it can be utilized in matches properly.

What?

This is Blasphemy!


Subzero is so freaking easy to use and isn't even slow, shit I main Shang tsung to a degree, and he is the definition of SLOW.

Subzero can get around quickly, even though he doesn't even need to.

Sub combos:

#1) 2,2 xx IceBall, JP Crossup, 2,1,4 xx Slide (8 Hits 30%--JP added 33%)

#2) 2,2 xx IceBall, Dash, NJP, Dash, 1, Dash xx B+1,2~2,1,2 xx Slide (11 Hits 32%--JP added 35%)

Change the 2,2 starter to B+1,2 and combo #1 goes to:

8 Hits 33%--JP added 36%

and combo #2 goes to:

11 Hits 35%--JP added 38%

Replacing the Slide with ES Slide adds 2% damage.

Replacing the Slide with X-Ray nets the following damages:

Combo #1 with 2,2 Starter: 46%--JP added 49%
Combo #1 with B+1,2 Starter: 50%--JP added 53%

Also, I've described Sub's reset option here:

Sub's Reset Link

Sub-Zero is top 10 in this game, and has plenty of combos that do good damage.

MKvsDCU has a completely different gameplay from MK9, you didn't need to dash in DC so there were more combo opportunities while in midscreen, a good example of this in MK9 is while doing a wall combo, since you don't need to dash you have time to do a lot of other moves like neutral jumping after a popup (although in DC you could popup with a moving jump also).

Also, in DC almost everyone had a fast jab to combo like Johnny Cage, and the gravity effect was not nearly as big as it is in MK9.

In my opinion, the combos in MKvsDCU although slower, were cooler than in MK9.