A flaw in blaze's story?
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posted09/13/2003 08:18 PM (UTC)by
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02/10/2003 04:39 PM (UTC)
OK, this might've been said before in a discussion about Blaze's character, but if it was, I missed it, so here it goes:
Blaze was suppose to have been captured on a bridge by Dragon king fanatics, right? To guard the dragon king's egg. But, this should've happened centuries ago, right? Before Kahn went into power, or at least just a few years after the dragon king died. However, we see that Blaze is being ''captured'' in MKII.
Just thought I'd share that.
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Wreckless
08/24/2003 04:54 PM (UTC)
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Where do you see blaze being captured in MK2?

if you are reffering to the bridge in the background of that pit level then that isnt blaze. its just two people getting ready to fight and no on e is doing any capturing of any kind
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Zentile
08/24/2003 05:06 PM (UTC)
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It is Blaze. Ed Boon said that one of the secret characters had something to do with a bg in MKII. Besides, they've said it themselves in some interview I think, that the guy in the bg is indeed Blaze.
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08/24/2003 05:22 PM (UTC)
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08/24/2003 05:23 PM (UTC)
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Im pretty sure they said its not blaze in the back ground
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08/24/2003 05:43 PM (UTC)
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No, I remember Boon saying that, too. Their just pulling shit out of their asses to pleasure the fan boys, that's all. Then you get someone like Zentile who anylizes the hell out of everything, gets so critical it should be a mental disorder, see's a loop hole and BAM!!! grin
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Zentile
08/24/2003 06:41 PM (UTC)
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I didn't ''analyze'' anything. I saw a screenshot of the MKII bg and suddenly it all hit me.
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08/24/2003 07:54 PM (UTC)
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Sometimes story elements just contradict one another because not everything is thought out as keenly as it should be.

That's what I think ;).

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Wreckless
08/24/2003 07:54 PM (UTC)
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its not blaze

until you can show me an interview where they say that it is ..........its not blaze

Wreckless Wrote:
its not blaze

until you can show me an interview where they say that it is ..........its not blaze


Fine. Here:

[18:45] Hey ed who are those two fighters in the pit 2
background?
[18:45] They are Torch, and Liu Kang.

Torch was later renamed to Blaze for copyright reasons.
And the link:
http://www.mk5.org/content/kom/transcripts/EdBoon_04-11-2001.html

Also found on the MK IRC network page of MK5.org.
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Zentile
08/24/2003 08:20 PM (UTC)
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Thank you, Tim.
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08/24/2003 08:39 PM (UTC)
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Yes, thank you. Until I seen your reply I thought I was going to have to run off and find that myself, but anyway...

Blaze (Tourch, whatever) is probably the most famous background element, therefore Boon and co. seen it as a great idea to add him in. I agree, Blaze is a pretty cool character, with a interesting storyline. It is a bit odd though, how he was captured in MK2, but how was he captured anyway? One theory suggests that the person Blaze is battling in The Pit II isn't Liu Kang, but rather a workman for the Dragon King. I'm sure we all know the "Hornbuckle" debate, and its been pretty much proven that the character in the BG was Liu Kang, Ed Boon himself has said so. But obviously, Liu Kang didn't 'capture' Blaze, that would make no sense. So Blaze had to have been captured during or after MK2, by the Dragon King's followers...

Well, that story is a bit complicated, good observation Zentile.
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Wreckless
08/24/2003 08:51 PM (UTC)
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i havnt read the artivle yet but does it actually say he was captured during MK2? isnt it possible that they are just gonna have a normal fight? or maybe just talk?

Wreckless Wrote:
i havnt read the artivle yet but does it actually say he was captured during MK2? isnt it possible that they are just gonna have a normal fight? or maybe just talk?


Yeah, but the thing is he was supposed to have been captured centuries ago, after the death of the Dragon King. So he shouldn't be there in MK2 at all, because he's captive. That's the flaw.
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Wreckless
08/24/2003 10:23 PM (UTC)
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ah well , i guess mistakes like that happen since i doubt they even thought they would be making a 3d mortal kombat
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08/25/2003 03:21 AM (UTC)
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ok just to clerify, everyone is partly correct. Blaze was captured a long time ago by the dragon king holy men. However he is seen in the MK2 Pit background, which doesnt partain to the storyline at all. Im sure when they made the background and put Blaze there they werent thinking about his current storyline on how he was captured by the Dragon King men, and even though it is Blaze, Ed Boon only stated it was a character related to a MK2 background, never said anything about a storyline.
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08/25/2003 03:40 AM (UTC)
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you know what I think I may be wrong too, I just went back and read Blaze's bio, and it doesnt say anything about him being ambushed 1000's of years ago as I assumed, he could have been a recent protector for the dragon king, who knows, maybe the holy men were able to protect the dragon king themselves for awhile.
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09/11/2003 03:32 PM (UTC)
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Maybe the dragon king fanatics were guarding it and got tired and in MKII they captured Blaze to do it for them... since it didn't say anything about the time frame it happened... that would only be nine years before MKDA I think... but if the Dragon King was long forgotten, then how did those guys know about the egg and the prophecy... hmm... that could use some explaining and why Kahn knew nothing about it... and Raiden obviously did,
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09/12/2003 04:11 PM (UTC)
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maybe it was like this

he was fighting...got on fire....was dieing..the holy men brought him back..and since he was on fire they gave him his fire powers.....the riddle is what his mission was and how pissed he must be that he didn't finish it

i wonder if its anything heroric..like he holds the secret to stopping ____________(some bad guy)
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09/12/2003 06:08 PM (UTC)
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I had actually seen this the first time Blaze was confirmed to be the Mk2 character in flames but didnt really care about it. I mean, when I see Blaze in Mk2 I see him like a "flashback" of how he was captured long ago, in that bridge.
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09/13/2003 06:07 AM (UTC)
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The name of the other person on the bridge with Blaze in MK2 is Hornbuckle. When MKII first came out I don't think either of them even had names. I didn't start hearing Torch and Hornbuckle until MK3 - UMK3, and I still never saw the names written on anything official. They were just for background props when MKII came out. So if Blaze's story seems a little not on track then that's probably why.

Theophanis Wrote:
The name of the other person on the bridge with Blaze in MK2 is Hornbuckle. When MKII first came out I don't think either of them even had names. I didn't start hearing Torch and Hornbuckle until MK3 - UMK3, and I still never saw the names written on anything official. They were just for background props when MKII came out. So if Blaze's story seems a little not on track then that's probably why.


Not Hornbuckle.
Hornbuckle is just a name made by the fans. It is Liu Kang.

If you read my message above I quoted the Dev Team in saying that they are Liu Kang and Torch. Torch was renamed to Blaze due to copyright.
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Theophanis
09/13/2003 07:58 PM (UTC)
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No, I said that both of those characters were just background props during MKII and weren't meant to be anything more, thus Blaze's current storyline having faults. To my knowledge, Torch was also made by the fans and neither one of those names (Torch or Hornbuckle) were published on anything official anywhere. So point being, either one of those characters could have been named anything in the begginning. Next time try reading and comprehending. Thanks.

Theophanis Wrote:
The name of the other person on the bridge with Blaze in MK2 is Hornbuckle.


Ahh, see when you said that I thought you meant it.
Oh well, misunderstanding.

Theophanis Wrote:
Next time try reading and comprehending. Thanks.


I'll hope that wasn't meant to be rude, it was a misunderstanding smile.
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09/13/2003 08:18 PM (UTC)
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TimsMK Wrote: I'll hope that wasn't meant to be rude, it was a misunderstanding .

Nope, wasn't intended to be rude if it gave off those vibes. grin Blaze as a character kicks ass, and I always wondered how the flaming dude on the bridge would look as acharacter ever since I saw him in MKII, but I don't like that he was basically just a throw in character instead of a regular character that has special moves along with at least one fatality.


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