In UMK3 for SNES and Genesis Noob was very cheap. Not sure if he is the cheapest. The SNES version was totally broken in almost all gameplay respects so there was a lot more cheapness in that then there was in Genesis or the arcade. For instance, Kung Lao had no limits on his spin so you could just spin them in the corner until they were dead. Totally cheap.

Also, in MKT for PSX Rain was also extremely cheap (although I still argue that Noob is cheaper) but I don't know if he was that cheap in SNES or Genesis because I never really played as him in those. I think Rain was extra cheap in MKT for N64 because they made it so his lightning could hit you when you were in the air slightly above the ground.

For UMK3 for the arcade I don't really see any of the characters as cheap. Some are very good, but a lot of time noobs will argue against certain characters being the best because of the fact that they aren't cheap. Noobs tend to think the cheapest is the best. In UMK3 its often just a love for Sub or Scorp that drives noobs to call a character the best.

noob saibot, jade, and shao kahn were very cheap in the arcade version of UMK3

I never thought of Noob as very cheap in UMK3 for the arcade. He didn't seem much cheaper then any of the other computer controlled characters could be. There were still very easy ways to beat him. I never played Wavenet so I don't know how he was in that but it sounds like Kabal was still the most powerful in that as well.

The only way I could be noob saibot was get cheap back with smoke. But when I tried with other characters, I got completely anhiliated when I tried someone else.
Shao Kahn was cheap on me..the only way I could fend him off was with Sub-Zero by freezing him..I'm not that good so I still lost.

shao khan was extremly cheap in all mk3 versions though, and he got even cheaper with each version (he was at his cheapest in MKT), he was even enough of a cheeky shit to continualy shoulder-ram me once, then theres that whole "stay ducking or get a headache" business where he traps you with the hammer, still P.O's me to this day.

yes, i can agree that noob-saibot is VERY CHEAP, i mean, for one, hes BLACK, and bloody hard to see without high brightness, his moves come out fast and hard, the disabler is a nasty suprise, as was the running clone.

If you guys are talking about playing against the computer then nobody is really cheap in MK3/UMK3. They are all easy. Noob has no special moves, just speed and is very beatable.

Kahn, duck, don't block, after every attack he does run in and combo. Very easy way to almost always get a victory.

if mk3 noob was more like mk2 noob, with the spear, (yes they had an sprite for it, even if it was smokes) then he would have been more fearsome, but without moves, unless he had kanos (well, he was like kano) he seemed pretty useless, xcept for the fact u cant really see him, he blends in with the dorfen, twat.

Noob to me was cheap, just because of the running. I couldn't perform any moves because he would run and combo me before I had time to react.

Watch, if Chrome comes to this thread he's gonna say SINDEL, i just know it.

I think that Sheeva was too much, and Stryker was not enough

-disregards-

to come as overly abusive from the CPU I would have to say none, except the Trilogy bosses, they were a bit too powerfull for average. Still they are beatable. Occasional players may find them almost too hard.

Shao Khan is the easiest person in the game. mk3 and umk3 anyway. I will agree he got tough in mkt because of his 2 grabs. And I thought it was cool that Noon didn't even have any moves in 3 or umk3 and he was still dangerous. That says something when a person with no moves can still whoop ass.

I belive the cheapest character in MK3/UMK3 would have to be Stryker his moves were slow and he didn't have any good special moves, fatalities, etc. Next would have to be Motaro in UMK3, because you can't block his moves and one punch takes about 1/4 of your health.

the only way noob could have been any cheaper was if he was like his mk2 self.

but enough about him, bastard.

sheeva could be abused and in some senses cheap, some noob just keeps stomping you, and eventually, you get sick of it, fair enough, easy to dodge if u have a level headed attitude, but in these circumstances, it drives you mad!

I can see why so few people ask questions in the strategy guide thread because clearly everyone knows everything already...

Stryker's moves bad?
Sheeva abuseable?

Was there another version of MK3? Bizarro MK3 or something? Where the truth was bent around backwards?

You avoid the stomp by walking. Just walk. And its over.

Stryker Kicks Ass. His moves are fantastic.

Wow.

i can see where hes coming from. stryker is pretty rough to fight in cpu mode, hes guns after every JK he lands and bombs when you jump in if its sloppy. as for sheeva shes easy if youve played enough to know her weak points. maybe he doesnt. as far as i know, hes plays with someone else in 2p mode and doesnt play the cpu alot.

that being said stryker has great moves. super combo ability. and good fatalitys (if you ask me)

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Well maybe I missed it, but what exactly is the point of this thread? Against CPU or against another person?

Every character is easy to beat in every incarnation of UMK3T. In MK3 it gets to the point where the CPU will run at you everytime and you can roundhouse them away, every single time, and the bosses don't block after the 2nd hit of a combo.

In UMK3, the computer was almost exactly the opposite. It takes a little more thinking to beat them, but every character is beatable, easily, it's just a matter of learning the patterns. With Stryker, a fun thing to do is let him jab sweep and LK you while blocking, even let him throw you if he wants, eventually, he will do a baton throw, block it, and counter with the best punisher combo you can, in most cases you can respond with 50-90% damage depending on what character you use, some can only get like 30%, but regardless you will always give back more than you take. Let Stryker cross up JK you as well so he goes for the gun, block the gun, return a combo.

I found out that the easiest way to beat UMK3 is to abuse Sindel,s scream.
The CPU nearly get everytime catched by it.
After perfoming a combo you can catch them up again witch the scream, when they try to get up.
I even beat the 3 Fighter Endurace round with her without the "Timeout dance".

Another way is to use Human Smoke and simply block the attacks until you have a counter chance (most times when the CPU use and projectile), if the cpu doesnt attack you and wait, make an air telepunch until they make something.
When you get your counter chance simply make one of the high damage combos for Human Smoke, so that you need only 2 counter chances to win a round.

I think thats the easiest 2 fighters to beat the game, to beat the game with other fighters like Sheeva or another low tier on the highest tower on very hard is indeed pretty hard (I am talking about the 3 Fighter Endurance Rounds).

Another thing is, that some people talk about MK2 how easy it is, well, I never have seen anyone how beat the game with Raiden or Kitana on very hard without continue.
(Try it, and you will see its hard).

there are "unblockable" moves for umk3, moves that ai will never block, like sindel' scream, kitana's fan lift, lao' spin (it can block sometimes but almost never happens more than once in a whole battle plan), air throws and etc.

the ai for umk3 is very predictable and honestly i dont even think its a challenge to play it if you play only with sure methods.

as for mk2, beating it with raiden is not that hard, the only challenge is Liu Kang if LP system not work with him, but you can also beat him with early aa jump kicks. kitana have weak points but her fan lift is one of the unblockable moves, if you can use it right only once per round, you will win.

LP System?
Do you mean Left Player or what?
Because the jump backward pattern doesnt work with a few fighters like Raiden, Kung Lao, Female Ninjas and Liu Kang.

As for Kitana, I dont know if I have a special "MK2 nothing that everyone says works" edition but after the 3rd Fight the AI NEVER fall into Kitana,s Fan Lift at least not predictable.

And footsweepers will not work at the end of the ladder, the AI simply jumps back when make a footsweeper.

i know who are jumpbackers and who are not. LP is Low Punch system:

http://mk.ediko.net/archive/movies/mk2sg/raidvsliu1.wmv
http://mk.ediko.net/archive/movies/mk2sg/raidvsliu2.wmv


every non jumpback character have other strategies to beat the ai!

EDIT: Early Jump Kicks (+air juggle), Sweeps, LP and retalation is all you need in MK2 against AI with non jumpbackers.

Yes I know there are strategies to for every other but there arent save, you cant easily beat the game on one go, because even the LP stuff doesnt work evertime.
Most time you get a throw when you try it, maybe it works better on medium difficulty I dont know.

I dont say its impossible but its very hard even with these tactics to beat the game with Raiden or Kitana.

I believe I posted in a thread somewhere on here just about every single AI trap with every character for UMK3.

KillerMiller those are for very hard. But you are right its not easy to beat mk2 without continues with those characters, i just meant that its easy with raiden than other non jumpbackers.

Shock i remember you post somewhere stuff about umk3 ai, its funny that most people care about AI tactics more than VS tactics.