Nope.

while his UMK3 ending was non-canon, there is a huge revelation in MK Deception involving Classic Sub-Zero

Actually it was never said that the 'classic sub-zero' in umk3 was the same as mk1 sub-zero, more likely he was mkII sub-zero.

actually in MKII Sub-Zero's ending, it cites that he wasn't the same Sub-Zero that was in the first tournament, but rather his brother, also, Classic Sub-Zero's ending in UMK3 states that he was thought to have vanquished in the first tournament, but returns, don't believe me? go to MK Warehouse for the bios and endings, it's enough proof for me

Unmasked Sub-Zero is the same Sub-Zero that was in MK2 (Classic Sub's brother.) The "Classic Sub-Zero" in UMK3 is not a canon character. The story, the ending is all non-canon material. Anything about a Sub-Zero after MK1 is all younger Sub. There is no "Classic Sub-Zero" anymore, it's all Noob Saibot following MK1.

So the sub-zero in MKDA and MKD (now grand master of the lin kui) is not the sub-zero from MK1, but rather is the younger brother of the MK1 sub-zero? And now the Mk1 sub-zero is noob, and part of the noob-smoke team in MKD? Is all that right?

yep

yes they did but they didnt reveal the name

I don't understand why anytime this comes up there's a bunch of people who come in and shrug it off by saying it's "non canon". Who said it was non canon? As far as I know Midway has never said anything about it one way or another. So did I miss something and they actually acknowledged this or is this another case of the fan base just randomly deciding they don't like something so we're all supposed to call it "non canon" so we can ignore it and pretend it isn't a problem with the story?


From what I've seen the truth is we just don't know and probably never will. Midway doesn't seem to care or remember and we'll likely never know what John Tobias had intended. That's really all there is to it. Anything else is speculation and fans declaring it "non canon" doesn't make it go away.

Ending:

Having been killed in the first tournament, Sub-Zero somehow seems to have emerged to win the third tournament. However, upon removing his mask both the Outworld and the Earth-born warriors are shocked to discover the true identity of this warrior. A warrior who has long been missing from a previous Mortal Kombat, and one who will return in the fourth tournament.

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I doubt that this is canon because in the ending it says that He(original subzero) was killed in the first tournament but then it says that he was missing in the previous tournament and we know that younger subzero was in that tournament. So that basically cancel's out the possibility of it being him.

But then it goes on saying that he will return to the 4th tournament(MK4) and Noob Saibot was a secret character in that game. I'm not saying it was Noob but I'm sayin that the ending leaves a possibility for that.

But like I said in the first paragraph, its probably not canon. But If "I" were to guess who Classic Subzero on UMK3 is, I would say its Noob Saibot in disguise. Just my opinion.

It's saying he was thought to be the original Sub from MK1 however upon removing his mask everyone is shocked at his identity. That implies it is NOT that Sub/Noob. The shock is that it seems the original is back from the dead but it turns out to be someone entirely different, someone both the Earth and Outworld warriors know and someone who's been missing. Who could it be? Who knows. Nobody really fits, especially once MKT came out. It would have to be someone who hadn't yet been introduced like Quan Chi or Kai but of course the idea of one of them randomly being in UMK3 dressed as Sub-Zero is ridiculous. It really makes no sense. I wouldn't be surprised if Tobias himself had no idea and just figured he'd think of something later if at all. Unfortunely just because something is poorly written and underdeveloped doesn't mean we can just declare it "non canon" and pretend it doesn't exist. Even though he didn't win and his ending didn't accure it doesn't mean he himeslf just didn't exist. Midway has never said anything about him being non canon so all we have to go by is the game and according to the game he's there and part of the story even if we may never find out who it is.

Notice in MKT some characters got new endings, like Ermac's fleshed out his origin and Mileena's had it so Shinnok was the one to revive her. Human Smoke's original UMK3 ending had him actually becoming human again but in MKT they changed it to make it clear he was still a robot and his human form was non canon. This Classic Sub-Zero doesn't have an ending like that. It makes him out to be a real character actually interacting with the others and they didn't alter it when they did MKT. Why would they have written a cliff hanger ending like that for a non canon character? He would either have an ending like Human Smoke or non at all like Kintaro. No, this ending was wrote for a purpose. We may never know what but it's in there and there's no reason to disregard it.

Missing from MK2 or MK3?

because on MK3, Johnny Cage was missing. Not sayin it was him but he was missing.

It says long missing from a previous tournament. Could be anything really. Could even be a tournament pre-MK1 we didn't see.

It can't be anyone from the MK3-MKT era because they're all in MKT and the ending is the same.


My guess is that it's no one. I bet Tobias did not know how he'd resolve that cliffhanger when he wrote it.

Ok, well, I wont burst a brain vessel tryin to figure this stuff out

That is what makes it "non-canon", an abandoned story line that is later replaced with a more current rewrite or upgrade makes the previously written one non-canon, such as UMK3 Human Smoke regaining his body was replaced in MKT with saying that his human form was the way Robot Smoke remembered himself as a human

Or in Deadly Alliance in Scorpion's ending it said the soulnado he was tossed into ripped his body to shreds and killed him but is later replaced in Deception with him escaping into a void and surviving before being ripped to shreds making his Deadly Alliance ending non-canon

In this case it says Classic Sub-Zero was revealed to be a missing character from a previous tournament, but the storyline in Deception states that Classic Sub-Zero's soul was sent to Hell and he became Noob Saibot, replacing the storyline about Classic Sub-Zero being another fighter, Midway will never continue with Classic Sub-Zero's UMK3 storyline because they made his entire story so that he becomes Noob Saibot, thus making his UMK3 ending non-canon

The Classic Sub in UMK3 isn't the Sub from MK1 who became Noob. That's what the ending is saying. It says it was seemingly him HOWEVER upon removing his mask everyone is shocked at his identity. It's a totally different guy who is apparently posing or acting as Sub-Zero.

There are 3 Sub-Zero's. The unmasked is of course the younger brother. Noob Saibot is the older one from MK1 we just didn't know it at the time. The masked is our mystery man who is apparently from a previous tournament.

Everyone has their opinion on this subject and it has been done to death. Perhaps we'll find out if anything about this subject in Mortal Kombat Armageddon. Anyway, here is my opinion and theory. Read the ending very carefully, and look at the last statement.

"A warrior who has long been missing from a previous Mortal Kombat, and one who will return in the fourth."

To me this translates as someone who has never been in any Mortal Kombat Tournament before UMK3, and who should have been in one to begin with, and it is one of the new fighters in MK4. Looking at all the new fighters and doing process of elimination on who it could be you wind up with Shinnok being the possible imposter. Here is why:

1. All the old fighters cancell themselves out because they were not missing from any previous MK Tournament before. All that is left are the new warriors.

2. Kai is cancelled out since the markings on his skin, and his skin color would first cancell him out. The second is that he could no way possess freezing abilities.

3. Sinnok is the likely candidate since he was part of MK way before the first Tournament, and he has been missing from MK, MKII, and MK3. Plus, in MK4 he can possess the abilities of any of the fighters which means he could possess Sub-Zero's powers and abilities, and his skin color is normal. Hiding behind a mask would be very easy for him to do, and thus I believe the UMK3 masked Sub-Zero is none other than Shinnok.

4. Jarek is immediately canceled out since he could not possess freezing abilities.

5. Reiko too would be canceled out since he hates Sub-Zero and he could not possess his powers either.

6. Tanya is a girl and that cancels her out right away.

7. Fujin is the elder god of wind and he could not possess the freezing powers for they would bring his downfall as mentioned in MKM.

8. Quan Chi could have been the masked Sub-Zero but his white pigmintation would make it clear who he would be.

That is how I come to the conclusion that Shinnok impersonated Sub-Zero in Ultimate MK3. Hopefully in October we will have this any many other misunderstood questions answered?

But how would it be Shinnok? If Shinnok wasn't freed from the Netherealm UNTIL MK4, how would it be possible for him to imperssinate Sub-Zero?



The only reason why I don't consider any of this "cannon" is because UMK3, Trilogy, MKG, and other such MK games are not part of the actual series, they're all just add-in's. Same as the movies and shows, I just don't believe anything that comes out of any of those extended games, and up until this point, nothing has been declared cannon, or non-cannon on this situation, and until something is confirmed about, which I doubt there ever will be actual confirmiration on this, I will stick to what I think.

Countless things have been confirmed canon that are from games like MKT and MK Gold. Shinnok himself was first brought up in Trilogy. Cyrax's story in Gold. The entire character of Rain in UMK3/MKT. I could go on all day.

I agree with Anyanka...
I rest my case...
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what case, you made 1 post

Thanks everyone.

Seems like this thread has been answered to your satisfaction, so I'm going to close it. How long 'til it gets asked again? I say...4 months.