i have mk4 on n64 and yes he does have a freeze shatter fatality. and in deception it clearly said that that noob ordered smoke to kill his brother. i do not believe that sub zero is noobs other side... i believe that noob is subzeros other side...sub was here before noob was.

I always thought that UMK3 was just a collection of characters hawled into the MK3 storyline for a gimmick.......i didn't think it actually meant anything and i don't think that the creators intended it to either. It seems to me like you folks are reading in between the lines way too much as nothing in that game is really meant to be taken seriously.......its just like the prison level in MKD there is absolutely no hidden meaning.

That's just my view anyway.

Classic Sub-Zero in UMK3 may have been a joke but everything else is canon. Kitana, Reptile, Jade, Mileena, Rain, Noob Saibot and the other characters who appeared did have stories that are counted.

Okay, here's what we do know:

MK1 Subby is Noob Saibot (gaining more powers as his humanity was stripped away from him to become a wraith. And the fact that for the most part, Noob has dark skin means nothing. He's a former Brother of the Shadow, and his main objective at the beginning was reconnisance, so he would've used his powers to blend into the shadows. He still was able to 'regress' into his human form if his cover was blown, or he chose to reveal himself).

In his ending, Classic Subby was revealed to be someone from a previous MK that hadn't been around, for a while.

These two facts seem to contradict each other, since how can MK1 Subby be both Noob AND Classic Subby?

Here's my theory: he can't. There was someone else behind that mask, someone who could copy MK1 Subby's look and moves with near-perfect accuracy. Someone like....Quan Chi, maybe?

Think about it: Quan's a fairly powerful sorcerer, so it would be easy to emulate MK1 Subby's look and powers, plus, he had time to study the warrior he disguised himself as during the events of MK Mythologies. It's possible that he was also in a previous MK tournament, perhaps during Raiden's and Shinnok's war with each other. Plus, Classic Subby's ending said that the revealed warrior would return in the next tournament, which Quan Chi did in MK4.

As for why he would pull of such an elaborate masquerade, that's simple: distraction. With the apparent arrival of MK1 Subby, the Earth Warriors would be further distracted from Quan's and Noob's plan to bring back Shinnok from the Netherealm. It also got him close enough to study each and every one of them for weaknesses for his master to exploit. Finally, it would make things easier on both him and Noob by using the charade to help Raiden and his gang take out the remainder of Shao Khan's forces on Earth.

It only makes sense, at least in my mind, that Quan Chi was the warrior behind Classic Subby.

Well I must say, that is an excellent post. Actualy since Deception was released, and this thread revived, there have been a number of very good responses - and I'm glad it wasn't closed (due to it's age!).

SynjoDeonecros, I think you make some very valid points as to why Classic Sub Zero in UMK3/MKT is Quan Chi. Some things I had never thought of, my favourite being how he was in the tournament purely for diversion/reconisance.
There is only one possible flaw I see in your theory, it is true that he participated in the 4th, as it says in Classic Subby's MKT ending. BUT it also says he was 'long missing from a previous MK.' And although Quan is ancient, I don't recall it ever being mentioned that he was involved in a MK before MK4...

But considering his age, it is possible - so your theory is plausible...

Maybe one day we will find out...

During Fight Night 2002 the MK team said that classic sub-zero that was in UMK3 and MKT really wasn't in there. He was only in there for show. So that makes masked Sub-Zero storyline and endings invaild. As far as the Mortal Kombat 3 saga( MK3,UMK3, and MKT) are all fact and inportant to one another and not just updated version.MK3,UMK3, and MKT are apart of the same story but expanded the storyline arc.I sort of don't like the idea of The 1st Sub from the 1st MK game being Noob , but when you all add it up it sort of can make since considering what kind of life MK1 Sub lead. I wish the MK team would have gone with the idea of "classic Sub-Zero" from MK1 returning and having an inpact in MK4, sadly that never happened. I wish I would find about more about him. Well there is always MK7, that is if the MK team doesn't do a non inportant Konquest mode like in Deception.

A newbie bumps an old thread they get flamed, a vet does the same, they get more responses.... odd.

I didn't know the mk team said that at fight night '02....that sux :(

I would also like to hear more about Classic Sub Zero (MK1) / Noob Saibot. I mean, I wanna know what fully happened after Liu Kang killed him in MK1...

As you said, there's always MK7, but I dunno if they'll elaborate any more....

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Also, whoever posted reply 31 this morning, do u wanna post it again?

For some reason since the switch to V7, EVERY post 31 in any thread is eaten, and never shows up. I know it's a bit of a hassle, but I'd like to see ur post...

You obviously got the game info mixed up with the movie info. It was scorpion, not Liu Kang, that killed MK1 Subby in the first game.

As for what happened, it's theorized that, during the events of MK Mythologies, he was 'marked' during his trip to the Netherealm to reclaim Shinnok's amulet. Since he was a cold-blooded assasin with no qualms about performing evil acts to get paid, Raiden was worried that, after his death, his soul would enter the Netherealm once more and become a formidable soldier to the Brothers of the Shadow, hence his warning for MK1 Subby to turn away from his current path in life. However, MK1 Subby chose not to, instead continuing his assassin ways until Scorpion killed him in the tournament. Once dead, his soul emerged in the Netherealm, and he was offered the chance to become a wraith in the Brotherhood. Subby, power-hungry in life and apathetic towards the events beforehand, accepted. His soul became corrupted, his evil mutating him into a true wraith for the Brotherhood.

Errr, oops? That was pretty fucktarded of me, don't usualy get that stuff wrong...

theres no way, but in deception arent ermac and noob connected in terms of fighting styles