Do you even actually know Scorpion's storyline? I mean sure, it's become rather sucky, but to me, it sounds like you don't know it well.

LinKuei have you seen Scorpion's ending at all in MKD ? You've got the whole idea of him being the elder gods champion so he must stop Onaga. He still hasn't got his revenge on Quan Chi (which i must admit is getting a bit old at this point) but now..we've discovered that Noob Saibot is the original Sub-Zero who Scorpion thought he had killed all them years ago..This could get very interesting in the next MK game.

Two Words:

Scorpion Wins

Well he's been out for revenge for quite a while - MKD is a sort of step in the right direction. Rather, they should concentrate on his redemptive side - focus on his honorable side. We KNOW he can be a murdering crazy hellbent bastard, but we need to finally see his other side - what he was before he died coming back out.

We need to get IN HIS HEAD.

We need to get in all of their heads. Eh, sometimes I think MK should've been a book series, or even better an adult cartoon, instead of a game.

Say what??? are you insane???

All these years of MK enjoyment, and it should be a book??

Thank god Ed Boon is the final authority when it comes to MK...

I predict Scorpion will become the new champion of MK....Kind of the second Lui Kang...

Remember, first Lui Kang dominated for a long time....then Shang Tsung and Quan chi had ultimate power for a littile while and now I think its scorpions turn to be champion of the ELDER GODS and not necessarily Raiden or any of the Earthrealm warriors true hero...

Uh Scorpion being the new Champion of Mortal Kombat...

no. Just no.

Well, Vogel better give Scorpion a fantastic story next game.

GOD NO. Please don't make Scorpion a hero, Let's not forget that Scorpion does not fight on the alignment of good, He is a wildcard..he helps only himself..and he should remain this type of character.

With the revelation that Noob Saibot is infact the original Sub-Zero that Scorpion originally killed I see alot of potential in a storyline development on this for MK7.

I understand what you are saying and I 100% agree. Unless some drastic changes are made...

And while MKD was a fresh change for his storyline, it was lame and predictable. Just my opinion.

Scorpions been dead for me ever since MkU/T, I think they should do to him what they did to Sub-Zero (note that I am not a super fan of either ninja): EVOLVE. Sub-Zero changed for the best.

I agree with drunzer, making scorpion a hero and a really good person, sound kind of corny. But if they found a way to to give him a better story, it might be a little better.

i dont kno, but first of all i have to agree with sub zero 7th
u dont really kno scorpions entire storyline...do you...go to wikipedia.org
then check out scorpion from MK

read it all

The Scorpion on wikipedia is heavily biased. There are some nonsense about him being one of the most powerful undeads and that even Lucifer feared him.

The writer committed several errors, such is, that if we take it as part of the canon, Lucifer was removed by Shinnok Long Before Scorpion was ever planned to exist.

Btw, check mavado's too, someone oughta remove that shit.

I do understand his story but i think hes getting kind of corny. I mean, he is a cold harted character who is out for vengece, thats what makes him cool. Now, he is getting good and going out for desrtuction of evil, unless he is deceptive, i will think that hes done.

That's what makes him cool? No...that's what made his story stale. Thanks to it being fucked up, his storyline from MK1 - MKDA is about revenge. In MK1, he's after older Sub-Zero and kills him. In MK2, he finds out about Sub-Zero's return and either fails to beat him or he doesn't ever get to fight him and eventually goes back to the Netherrealm either way. In MK3, Scorpion is freed from the Netherrealm due to Kahn's attempt to steal souls from the Netherrealm. Scorpion either tries to find Sub-Zero and fails or he does find Sub-Zero and gets his ass kicked. Either way, he goes back to the Netherrealm. In MK4, he joins Quan Chi and Shinnok but has alterior motives, namely to find and defeat Sub-Zero. He finally does this and is about to kill him , but Sub-Zero convinces him that he didn't murder his family and clan and Quan Chi reveals that he's the true killer and not Sub-Zero and the rest I'm sure you know.

I suggest you read XiahouDun84's Scorpion character analysis thread like I said before so you really get an understanding of Scorpion's storyline. His version A storyline is superior to his version B storyline and shows that although Scorpion has always been a neutral character, he's sort of sided more over to the good side, because he's not all that bad of a guy really.

With him being the Champion of the Elder Gods, perhaps there is more to it than we may think. Maybe the Elder Gods granted him the reward of having him reunited with his family if he were to slay Onaga.

So no, I think I'll have to disagree with you when you say that you understand his story.

With him being the Champion of the Elder Gods, perhaps there is more to it than we may think. Maybe the Elder Gods granted him the reward of having him reunited with his family if he were to slay Onaga.


That would be really gay and destroy his image, unless he gets another story, and u know it.

And what is his image, a mindless, rage-filled specter who goes after people in every single game? I don't think that's the kind of image that truly defines Scorpion. I think he's an honorable guy who loved and cared for his family only to have it all taken away thus driving him to vengeance.

If you think his story is so bad, then what do you have in mind for his story to improve?

How ironic is that ninjas spat on honor. Their so called ninpo was not honor code as many would believe but a verbal code of service. To be blunt:

if Scorpion was a traditional ninja, he could have acted out the worst things. And being hate and rage filled doesn't mean he is berserk, as MKSM states it. God that was annoying.

Essentially Scorps is a ruthless calculating tactician who blindfaces his opponents most possibly. And Tobias "did some homework" on chnese and japanese assassins..lol. Well, to an extent he did.

Verbal code of service? Hmmm, well, I don't think Ninpo can really be all too ridigly defined, but it has to do with more of the spiritual aspects of the ninja with things like Shugendo, MIkkyo, and Shintoism.

I wouldn't say Scorpion is a ruthless, calculating tactician. That sounds more like Quan Chi.

You know Chrome, I've been doing some reading on Ninjas and Ninpo you keep mentioning and your constant assertion that all ninjas were thoughtless criminals with no sense of honor isn't exactly true.
From what I've been reading, the ninja simply believed in, more or less, an any means necessary approach to winning. Not because they were degenerate pricks....but because they were outnumbered and often outclassed by the Samurai.
Ninjas were later utilized for spying and assassinations in a very violent era of Japan's history where people had to do unpleasents things to survive. And they were used by all sides.
Now that to me does not automatically translate into "Ninjas have no honor and wouldn't care about anything."
They just didn't have the Samurai's definition of honor. And the Samurai did not like the Ninja's guerilla techniques so they created this myth that all ninjas were thoughtless evil people who had no sense of honor or dignity whatsoever.
Now there were most likely many ninjas who spat on honor and were backstabbing criminals. Point is, all ninjas weren't one thing. Some were pure mercenaries. Some were terrorists. Some were vigilantes.
Some probably had their own definition of honor.

Now regarding Scorpion: in the land of Mortal Kombat, we can assume that Shirai Ryu would fall under the purely mercenary label of ninja.
Now obviously, Scorpion isn't a traditional ninja, if he proclaims that he is not a murderer in MK1. Also bear in mind, Scorpion only joined the Shirai Ryu to provide a comfortable life for his family, so it isn't inconceivable to believe that Scorpion had...or at least wanted some semblence of honor in what he did.

Well yes...

I would define them to be more accurate in terms of obligations that their European counterparts (far more effective though, just think how many conspirations were commenced in medieval and later on...larger mass)
but yet, thei are rogues at best. Nothing like an actual sect of assassins like the Hashashins (hence the name in english). Ninjas are/were arbit-rary wit their code of honor depending on situation and so on to be more precise.

Ruthless...they were. Just becouse Mk has a villain that has an emphasis on that side of character, doesn't mean Scorpion is not one. A ninja with direct offensive...suicide. And it was, mostly they rarely had any kind of go-od equipment, and they were no match for a fullly trained guard or a samu-rai, thats why they used "underground fighting syles".

Conclusion: a ninja was always a background type of warfarist, and never the straightforward one.

Now straying from a point....

Come to think of it, the japanese had an awfull tendency of ineffective war-fare. Sure, a samurai sword is the best sword considered mostly, but hey, a samurai would last long against medieval infantry (like Doppelsoldners, Black Army Mercenaries, English footknights, Burgundians and so on...)

I find it disturbing that MK gives away so mcgh false notion about warfare and martial arts. (even if it has a sometimes very good representation of them.)

I'm not so sure about the underground fighting styles thing. I mean, there's Gyokko Ryu, a traditional Japanese martial art with Chinese origins and a lot of the Ninjutsu Ryu as well as other fighitng arts seem to have their strong influences from Gyokko Ryu. Gyokko Ryu however is sometimes classified as a Samurai fighting art yet Gyokko Ryu is classified as a Ninpo style even though it isn't Ninjutsu based, but more so Koshijutsu and Shitojutsu. Now, how can there be a fighting art that's classified under the Samurai class yet also be a Ninpo style?

Then we have other fighting arts like Gikan Ryu and Kukishinden Ryu that are supposedly Samurai fighting arts yet they are said to be derived from Gyokko Ryu. I think that the Ninja fighting arts are pretty ambigious, especially when there aren't any records or anything of any martial techniques, even in those ninja classics like Bansenshukai.

On a side note, I find it kind of funny (not in a "haha" sort of way) that Scorpion's ninja clan is called the Shirai Ryu when there was supposedly a Ninjutsu style of the same name and was one of the much earlier styles along with Shinto Ryu, Negishi Ryu, and Hakuun Ryu.

What I find kind of strange is that the Japanese didn't use any shields or lunge attacks with their swords. I guess maybe it had to do with them using both hands on their swords. *shrugs*

Ninjutsu can be translated as "underground way". Essentially there are semantic differences here, since underground and stealthy are as I recall homonyms, but either way they are closely related.

Japanese shields? hey had little use for heavy infantry. And for the reason of the mountainous and marshland-like environs of Japan, it would have not been a wise thing to do.

Funny enough, kenjutsu's doom would have been the normann type shi-elds. Katanas, and even the almighty Odachi would be rendered useless against that 4' tall teutonic, steel enforced and enbedded monstrosity.

The way I see it... Jason Rainwater explained it very well to me over ims. Scorpion's popularity sometimes works against him. Sure it guarentees him a spot in every MK game to come, but it's becoming more and more obvious that the MK Team doesn't care if they have to fuck up his story to do it. Just look at MK:SM. They knew there was no point in Scorpion's story where he wanted to kill Liu Kang and Kung Lao. They just needed a quick, lameass excuse in MK:SM to make him a boss. (As soon as I heard Ed Boon say that he would be a boss, I was like "I'm not sure about this...")

The problem is they only care about making Scorpion into a guy who people only care about because he has a flaming skull and has a spear and says "GET OVER HERE!" that video in MK:SM where they'll talking about Scorpion where John Vogel says "Scorpion is the coolest character in Mortal Kombat" Ed Boon giving his usual "my favorite" rant and Shaun Himmerick saying "You can't do a Mortal Kombat game and not have Scorpion in it." It's all filthy lies. I think deep down, Vogel hates Scorpion and wants to ruin him every chance he gets and Boon allows this to happen because he doesn't care about the story and character potrayel.

The reason why I came to like Scorpion is because he was an anti-hero and not in the way Vegeta is. He would help when it mattered. Deep down he wasn't such a revenge filled stubborn bastard. He wanted to be with his family, but he can't. Scorpion is in the Netherrealm yes, but that doesn't necessary mean you have to be fully evil to go there.

Anyway the process of ruining Scorpion started in MK4 when Scorpion is unexplainly after Sub-Zero again and then he finds out it's the wrong guy. Tobias said the vow never happened, but it could've easily been explained in a way that fans would accept but noooo the King of Retcons, Vogel comes along and says Scorpion was after Sub-Zero "for years". So Vogel, no wanting to redeem himself and protect the younger Sub-Zero. No risking going back to Hell so he can honor his vow? He's just been after Sub-Zero the entire freakin' time, all the while never learning that it was a different guy. That story SUCKS.

And Scorpion gets his ass kicked way too many times. First it started in MK:DA where Scorpion gets his ass kicked THREE times. Yes, THREE. So he's just a bitch is he? That's the only thing he did in MK:DA's entire story.

Then MK:D he just becomes the Champ of the Elder Gods, nothing else just that. (And I don't consider that fight with Shujinko canon)

MK:SM, ooh instead of being neutral like he should, he's been on evil's side until MK4 and attacked whoever the hell he wanted to. THAT SUCKS. And intro movie, everyone took turns kicking ass except Scorpion (except when he attacked Kung Lao which I felt was STUPID) Every time we saw Scorpion vs. Sub-Zero, Scorpion got thrown around like a little bitch and I find their claims that they want to do Scorpion killing Sub-Zero justice and make it really cool a filthy lie, it'll just fuck Scorpion up even more probably. So yeah MK Team if you're reading this, come on in and post say you don't like Scorpion. Just admit it. Scorpion's my favorite character, but the MK Team is really really pushing it.

Yeah, you do have some good points there PNF. I think Boon is just in it for the money and has forgotten the passion to make a good game. *sighs*

To Chrome: Points noted although I think Ninjutsu is more accurately defined as "art/method of stealth/espionage and perservance" since the term "jutsu" refers to that of an art or method while "do" refers to a way thus referring to a philosophy of some sort.

LinKueiWYGL shows mercy. (MK3) lol