Logical answers to MKs most burning questions! SPOILERS!!
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posted02/05/2005 07:27 AM (UTC)by
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Okay, here's what I can figure out to MK's most burning questions: 1. [i]Reptile is a man, not a lizard![/i] Actually, Reptile comes from a race of Raptors, descendants of some dinosaurs from earth that ran off during Raiden's war with Shinnok. They escaped into Zaterra and made a home for themselves, until Shao Kahn killed them all after he took over their realm after winning mortal kombat. They are, in essence, humanoid lizards that can put up a glamour to alter their appearance to that of a normal human or render them invisible. It's rumored that Reptile's 'devolution' was caused by his separation from the Raptor Matriarch, but considering how long the Raptor race had been dead, that seems unlikely. 2.[i]I thought Johnny Cage died in MK3! So why does MK: Deady Alliance say that it was just a story plot for his next movie?[/i] Actually, I have played Deadly Alliance in both Konquest and Arcade mode with Cage, and I've noticed only his bio says anything about his death and ressurrections being a movie plot line. I'm thinking that both happened: Johnny really died and came back to life twice in the past MK games, and when word of this got back to his producers, they decided to use it as a running gag in his next MK movie just to spite the full-of-himself actor. 3.[i]Is it true? Is Noob Saibot REALLY MK1 Subby?[/i] While it remains to be seen whether or not this ending will remain true when the next MK game comes out, Ed Boon and John Vogel both confirm that he is. Also, considering how evil MK1 Subby was (as seen in Mythologies), it isn't surprising that he'd become a Brother of the Shadow. However, a couple of things contradict this revelation: 1.) MK1 Subby knew all about Quan Chi's betrayal after the events of Mythologies, and considering that, at the time, Quan Chi was one of the leaders of the Brotherhood, it would seem unlikely that MK1 Subby would join up with his enemy just to gain more power. 2.) After his infiltration into the Netherealm, it's known that the Brotherhood HATES MK1 Subby, since he fought against them and killed at least two of their best followers in the process. Again, unlikely that they'd invite him into their ranks after he died. So, it still remains a mystery whether or not he IS Noob. Only time will tell the full truth. 4. [i]Reiko is Shao Kahn! The GB version of MK4 confirms it![/i] Wrong, pal. Although we did see Reiko put on Shao Kahn's helmet in his MK4 ending, both Boon and Vogel have confirmed that the two are NOT the same person. In fact, if you talk to Kahn in Deception's Konquest mode, he'll tell you that they aren't one and the same, although Reiko DOES have some weird fetish for wearing Kahn's helmet when the Outworld Emperor's away. And, unless you're talking about MK: Tournament Edition, NO GB/GBA version of ANY MK game is considered cannonical to the overall storyline. 5. [i]Why is Scorpion trying to kill Subby again in MK4? I thought those two made up in MK2?[/i] Well, technically, yes, they did. HOWEVER, remember that in Scorpion's MK4 bio, it was QUAN CHI that enticed the ninja spectre into joining with Shinnok, so it's highly possible that the sorcerer appealed to his sense of justice and revenge and convinced him that, while Subby may NOT be the one who killed his family and clan, he is still Lin Kuei, and as such, is just as responsible for their murder as the rest of his clan. So, if convinced of that, it's very likely that Scorpion would buck his truce with his former enemy to finally complete his revenge and allow his soul to rest.
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outworld222
01/25/2005 03:35 AM (UTC)
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Cool explanations! Thanks...
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SubZerosMyHero
01/25/2005 06:19 AM (UTC)
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Some of the info could be very helpful to others on the board. Nice work (I'm not worthy! lol)
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MKRAYDEN
01/25/2005 09:22 AM (UTC)
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have u read MK Story
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WaveMotionFist9
01/26/2005 08:58 PM (UTC)
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you are very well read on mk
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what ever happened to... um.. ChiefThunder?

01/27/2005 02:25 AM (UTC)
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technically Johnny died only once (not including MKD) first, he either died in MK2 at the hands of Kintaro, or by extermination squads in MK3. different sources say different things. second, at the end of MK2, his soul had to leave his body because the merger of the realms had been broken (which was what kept him back in the first place). thats not 2 deaths, thats one delayed death.then he was ressurected in MK4 to help his friends. 1 death, 2 ressurections.......confusing
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01/27/2005 04:25 AM (UTC)
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I always thought that Johnny Cage died at the hands of Motaro. promo work way back in 1995 led me to believe this. I wish I had the picture still but all you saw was Motaro's shadow with Johnny Cage in his "gotcha grab" and the sunglasses on the ground with blood. I don't know how real the image was, probably done by a fan or something but thats what I always thought.
Your Noob explaination seems flawed to me. Here are a couple of scenarios that make sense.

First off, The whole point of what happened to Sub-Zero could've been to recruit him into the BotS in the first place. Remember how much he liked killing? I believe what Quan Chi did was on purpose to recruit Sub-Zero, and his incredible killing talent into the ranks of the BotS, and the all black costume was to hide Noob's true identity from Shinnok, hiding Quan's betrayal of him. His talent, and Quan's favor would also explain how he rose in rank so fast.

Or : Sub-Zero could've hid his identity with his Noob costume, which covered his skin, preventing anyone from seeing any identifying marks. He could've joined to gain acess to Quan Chi to enact his revenge. Now that Quan Chi is gone(?), he doesn't need to hide anymore, which is why his skin is now showing. Basically Quan didn't know Noob is Sub-Zero.



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red_dragon
01/27/2005 01:51 PM (UTC)
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Johnny Cage's death is a very difficult one to judge, because John Vogel went back and said that his first "death" (during MK3) didn't happen, that it was "bad movie writing". His words, not mine. So really, now Cage only "died" when the Deadly Alliance killed him and the others, and Onaga brought them straight back to life.
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XiahouDun84
01/27/2005 03:34 PM (UTC)
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Regarding why Sub-Zero turned into Noob Saibot: I don't think it was really his choice.
After he died, his soul is sent to the Netherealm, where Shinnok, who I imagine is still pissed about his amulet, and Quan Chi, who already hates Sub-Zero, are waiting for him.
Now as we know, Sub-Zero hated Quan Chi and didn't want to be a member of the Brotherhood. So what's the perfect punishment? Turn him into the most loyal member. For lack of a better term, brainwashing him. They turned him into a wraith, screwed with his head and turned him into Noob Saibot, Shinnok and Quan Chi's dutiful slave.
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"Is it so important that you win one last argument with him?" "No, it is not, but it is true that I will miss the arguments; they were, finally, all that we had."

01/28/2005 08:07 PM (UTC)
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red_dragon Wrote:
Johnny Cage's death is a very difficult one to judge, because John Vogel went back and said that his first "death" (during MK3) didn't happen, that it was "bad movie writing". His words, not mine. So really, now Cage only "died" when the Deadly Alliance killed him and the others, and Onaga brought them straight back to life.


That still doesn't explain how Raiden could resurrect him in MK4. You stated that Vogel said his 'first' death in MK3 never happened. So, what about his 're-death' at the end of MK3 and subsequent revival in MK4? Did they not happen, either?

I'm more inclined to believe the 'he actually died, but his crew turned it into a running gag for their next movie when he came back to life' theory more, considering that we only have Vogel's statement, and the fact that Cage's CURRENT movie project had the deaths in them, to say otherwise. The evidence in the actual game makes no mention of the previous deaths, one way or another, thus making what REALLY happened to Johnny nebuous, at best.
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red_dragon
01/28/2005 08:30 PM (UTC)
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If we go by Vogel's statement, and remember that Vogel is now THE main guy in charge of the MK story, it would look as if Johnny Cage was never in fact killed and ressurected until the end of MKDA. I'm thinking that we should now simply assume that he just entered the MK fights like the other heroes.

The running joke of Johnny's MKDA movie project is that he keeps dying and coming back to life, in reality he only "died" once before MK3. In MKT's ending, he simply goes back to heaven, which isn't dying, and Raiden ressurected him for MK4. Of course, all this now means nothing, cancelled out by Vogel in MKDA.

I am aware of how stupid this sounds, especially with all the years that passed btween MK4/MKG and MKDA. But unless they decide to count his MK3 "death" as canon again, then it doesn't look as if Cage dies until the Deadly Alliance defeated him, before Onaga brings him back to life.

I think they could have done a lot of cool stuff with him if they'd kept him as having died and come back to life. Perhaps his soul could have been corrupted enough to have entered the Netherrealm for MKD.
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01/30/2005 12:06 AM (UTC)
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Do we really have to know the answers? smile
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"Is it so important that you win one last argument with him?" "No, it is not, but it is true that I will miss the arguments; they were, finally, all that we had."

01/30/2005 12:33 AM (UTC)
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Chrome Wrote:
Do we really have to know the answers? smile


Of course. There's been flame wars over these sort of questions for years, so it's good to get the facts straight finally, don'cha think?
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PsychoFight
01/30/2005 11:47 AM (UTC)
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5. Why is Scorpion trying to kill Subby again in MK4? I thought those two made up in MK2?[
Well, technically, yes, they did. HOWEVER, remember that in Scorpion's MK4 bio, it was QUAN CHI that enticed the ninja spectre into joining with Shinnok, so it's highly possible that the sorcerer appealed to his sense of justice and revenge and convinced him that, while Subby may NOT be the one who killed his family and clan, he is still Lin Kuei, and as such, is just as responsible for their murder as the rest of his clan. So, if convinced of that, it's very likely that Scorpion would buck his truce with his former enemy to finally complete his revenge and allow his soul to rest

NO!
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NO!

It was proven in MK Konquest that Scorpion and Sub-Zero NEVER made up at all. Scorpion tells Shujinko that for many years, Quan-Chi lied to him that Sub-Zero murdered his family, meaning that the feud NEVER stopped. From MK1-MK4, Scorpion always had it in for Sub-Zero. There was NEVER any forgiveness. In MK4, Quan-Chi told Scorpion that if he joined Shinnok, he would grant him life. THAT'S why Scorpion joined up with him. However, Quan-Chi knew that Scorpion would use the opportunity to murder Sub-Zero, and he was right.

and about the Johnny Cage thing......eh, I dunno. I still go along with, "he got executed in MK3, got ressurected in MK4." I don't care what Vogel says. Bad writing? That confuses me.
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XiahouDun84
01/30/2005 05:58 PM (UTC)
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I'm not going to bother trying to explain the Scorpion/Sub-Zero thing.

All I'll say is I REFUSE to believe Scorpion never vowed to protect Sub-Zero, regardless of what Konquest said. Undoing that part of his storyline single-handedly ruins Scorpion's entire story.
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DeJuan
02/03/2005 07:31 PM (UTC)
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I think that at the end of MK2 Scorp does decide to protect Sub or leave him a lone or whatever......now in MK4 he finds out that his family has been killed and Quan Chi tells him that he can help him (only so that Quan can get Scorp to beat Sub-Zero because he couldn't) and reveals to him it's Sub-Zero. So Scorpion goes back on his word. He then finds out the truth and Quan and him are sent to hell.
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Oni Lord Asmodeus
02/05/2005 02:55 AM (UTC)
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Quan Chi got scorpion to believe that younger sub had something to do with the death of his family...period.

If he didn't, what happened at the end of 2? he couldn't find him?

and 3? he couldn't find him?

And after all these years of hunting him and cursing his name, in 4 he wants to talk? Sub would have been dead where he stood, like his brother.
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PsychoFight
02/05/2005 05:31 AM (UTC)
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Ever think that Sub-Zero DEFEATED him both times? Or that maybe Sub-Zero tried talking both times, but Scorpion wouldn't listen and they had to fight?

And for dramatic purposes, Sub-Zero finally gave it up to him on MK4. Remember, MK is not based on reality. It's pure entertainment.

In Konquest, it CLEARLY says that Scorpion was after Sub-Zero until MK4. He saysm "Quan-Chi convinced me all these years that Sub-Zero was the murderer." No where does it say that Quan-Chi made Scorpion turn on Sub-Zero again. There's proof (SOLID proof) to back up Scorp being after Sub-Zero until MK4, there is no proof to back up that Scorpion became Sub-Zero's protector until MK4 (besides the endings, which are mostly what-if situations anyway).

Anyway, I get tired of these debates over Sub/Scorp's relationship from MK2-MK3, but I honestly think for sure we'll know the truth on MK Shaolin Monks.
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Makazi
02/05/2005 06:14 AM (UTC)
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It says in Jonny Cage's MK4 bio that &quote"Now that shoa Kahn is defeted
Jonny's soul is free". so dose that actualy sugjest that he was
resurected or just that he was killed by kahn and at his demise jonny cage came
back.(whitch wouldnt make sence intirely because kahn killed many people
who didnt come back).
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PsychoFight
02/05/2005 07:27 AM (UTC)
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Dude, a quote like that in his MK4 bio actually convinces me that Cage never took part in MK3, that his soul was just trapped in Shao Kahn's......soul cage-thingie until he was defeated, therefore allowing him to ascend.
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