

"Is it so important that you win one last argument with him?" "No, it is not, but it is true that I will miss the arguments; they were, finally, all that we had."


Mortal Kombat Nexus Online By Pakistani





SubZero
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First off, The whole point of what happened to Sub-Zero could've been to recruit him into the BotS in the first place. Remember how much he liked killing? I believe what Quan Chi did was on purpose to recruit Sub-Zero, and his incredible killing talent into the ranks of the BotS, and the all black costume was to hide Noob's true identity from Shinnok, hiding Quan's betrayal of him. His talent, and Quan's favor would also explain how he rose in rank so fast.
Or : Sub-Zero could've hid his identity with his Noob costume, which covered his skin, preventing anyone from seeing any identifying marks. He could've joined to gain acess to Quan Chi to enact his revenge. Now that Quan Chi is gone(?), he doesn't need to hide anymore, which is why his skin is now showing. Basically Quan didn't know Noob is Sub-Zero.
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After he died, his soul is sent to the Netherealm, where Shinnok, who I imagine is still pissed about his amulet, and Quan Chi, who already hates Sub-Zero, are waiting for him.
Now as we know, Sub-Zero hated Quan Chi and didn't want to be a member of the Brotherhood. So what's the perfect punishment? Turn him into the most loyal member. For lack of a better term, brainwashing him. They turned him into a wraith, screwed with his head and turned him into Noob Saibot, Shinnok and Quan Chi's dutiful slave.


"Is it so important that you win one last argument with him?" "No, it is not, but it is true that I will miss the arguments; they were, finally, all that we had."
Johnny Cage's death is a very difficult one to judge, because John Vogel went back and said that his first "death" (during MK3) didn't happen, that it was "bad movie writing". His words, not mine. So really, now Cage only "died" when the Deadly Alliance killed him and the others, and Onaga brought them straight back to life.
That still doesn't explain how Raiden could resurrect him in MK4. You stated that Vogel said his 'first' death in MK3 never happened. So, what about his 're-death' at the end of MK3 and subsequent revival in MK4? Did they not happen, either?
I'm more inclined to believe the 'he actually died, but his crew turned it into a running gag for their next movie when he came back to life' theory more, considering that we only have Vogel's statement, and the fact that Cage's CURRENT movie project had the deaths in them, to say otherwise. The evidence in the actual game makes no mention of the previous deaths, one way or another, thus making what REALLY happened to Johnny nebuous, at best.
The running joke of Johnny's MKDA movie project is that he keeps dying and coming back to life, in reality he only "died" once before MK3. In MKT's ending, he simply goes back to heaven, which isn't dying, and Raiden ressurected him for MK4. Of course, all this now means nothing, cancelled out by Vogel in MKDA.
I am aware of how stupid this sounds, especially with all the years that passed btween MK4/MKG and MKDA. But unless they decide to count his MK3 "death" as canon again, then it doesn't look as if Cage dies until the Deadly Alliance defeated him, before Onaga brings him back to life.
I think they could have done a lot of cool stuff with him if they'd kept him as having died and come back to life. Perhaps his soul could have been corrupted enough to have entered the Netherrealm for MKD.


"Is it so important that you win one last argument with him?" "No, it is not, but it is true that I will miss the arguments; they were, finally, all that we had."
Do we really have to know the answers?
Of course. There's been flame wars over these sort of questions for years, so it's good to get the facts straight finally, don'cha think?
Well, technically, yes, they did. HOWEVER, remember that in Scorpion's MK4 bio, it was QUAN CHI that enticed the ninja spectre into joining with Shinnok, so it's highly possible that the sorcerer appealed to his sense of justice and revenge and convinced him that, while Subby may NOT be the one who killed his family and clan, he is still Lin Kuei, and as such, is just as responsible for their murder as the rest of his clan. So, if convinced of that, it's very likely that Scorpion would buck his truce with his former enemy to finally complete his revenge and allow his soul to rest
NO!
NO!
NO!
It was proven in MK Konquest that Scorpion and Sub-Zero NEVER made up at all. Scorpion tells Shujinko that for many years, Quan-Chi lied to him that Sub-Zero murdered his family, meaning that the feud NEVER stopped. From MK1-MK4, Scorpion always had it in for Sub-Zero. There was NEVER any forgiveness. In MK4, Quan-Chi told Scorpion that if he joined Shinnok, he would grant him life. THAT'S why Scorpion joined up with him. However, Quan-Chi knew that Scorpion would use the opportunity to murder Sub-Zero, and he was right.
and about the Johnny Cage thing......eh, I dunno. I still go along with, "he got executed in MK3, got ressurected in MK4." I don't care what Vogel says. Bad writing? That confuses me.
All I'll say is I REFUSE to believe Scorpion never vowed to protect Sub-Zero, regardless of what Konquest said. Undoing that part of his storyline single-handedly ruins Scorpion's entire story.


If he didn't, what happened at the end of 2? he couldn't find him?
and 3? he couldn't find him?
And after all these years of hunting him and cursing his name, in 4 he wants to talk? Sub would have been dead where he stood, like his brother.
And for dramatic purposes, Sub-Zero finally gave it up to him on MK4. Remember, MK is not based on reality. It's pure entertainment.
In Konquest, it CLEARLY says that Scorpion was after Sub-Zero until MK4. He saysm "Quan-Chi convinced me all these years that Sub-Zero was the murderer." No where does it say that Quan-Chi made Scorpion turn on Sub-Zero again. There's proof (SOLID proof) to back up Scorp being after Sub-Zero until MK4, there is no proof to back up that Scorpion became Sub-Zero's protector until MK4 (besides the endings, which are mostly what-if situations anyway).
Anyway, I get tired of these debates over Sub/Scorp's relationship from MK2-MK3, but I honestly think for sure we'll know the truth on MK Shaolin Monks.
Jonny's soul is free". so dose that actualy sugjest that he was
resurected or just that he was killed by kahn and at his demise jonny cage came
back.(whitch wouldnt make sence intirely because kahn killed many people
who didnt come back).