MK:DA problem...
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posted07/01/2003 05:35 PM (UTC)by
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Well I think that the most important problem for the MK:DA and all the other 3D games is that the characters are not that realistic I mean compare one from Dead Or Alive with one of MK.
In MK:DA the character's hair and skin, looks like as if it was made of clay (HAHAHHA(and it really does, check Kung Lao and not just him)HAHA). Imagine the graphics of dead or alive 3 on MK games, it would be really fantastic.
Hope MK6 to be more realistic in its characters details.
What do you think?
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06/26/2003 06:21 AM (UTC)
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I mean 3D games of Mortal Kombat.
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06/26/2003 06:25 AM (UTC)
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well compairing mkda to something such as doa really isnt.."fair" cause they have had more experience with the 3d world..mkda is the first actual mk to be full 3d...so mk6 will probably look much better than mkda...but you also have to take note of the system power itself..like the xbox version of mk6 will probably look better than the ps2...
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06/26/2003 10:02 AM (UTC)
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I think MK:DA is better than DOA; have you looked at the haircuts some of these bobos in DOA have? That's totally and completely unrealistic.

DOA has more glimmer and glitter but in the end of the day it's very, very uninspired imho.

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06/26/2003 05:44 PM (UTC)
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I actually think the DOA characters look very fake. The hair specially. I dont like them, they look....weird, fake, un-realistic. I think DA characters do look a little cartoonish, but actually, they look (IMO) kind a real. Dont know, its just me, but defenatly the DOA charcaters look very fake.
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06/26/2003 06:06 PM (UTC)
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queve Wrote:
I actually think the DOA characters look very fake. The hair specially. I dont like them, they look....weird, fake, un-realistic. I think DA characters do look a little cartoonish, but actually, they look (IMO) kind a real. Dont know, its just me, but defenatly the DOA charcaters look very fake.


Yeah I kinda agree with you on that one queve. And plus, the DOA characters aren't really as interesting as the MK characters. I think the graphics in MKDA are pretty good IMO.
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06/26/2003 09:40 PM (UTC)
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-First what does IMO stands for.
-Second I think that stuff of the experience on 3d games doesn't have a thing to do with it, look Halo/Bungie a great game and they didn't have that much experience.
-Third this doesn't means I am saying that DOA is better than MKDA, well in a way I just can't believe how the hair compares to it, and not just only the hair as I said, some realist details on faces and that stuff aswell.
-Fourth if they can handdle this they might do a greater game than this one.
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06/27/2003 03:14 AM (UTC)
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This is one of the problems that I think it's the most important or that in a way pisses the game off.
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06/27/2003 05:31 AM (UTC)
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darksim Wrote:
-First what does IMO stands for.
-Second I think that stuff of the experience on 3d games doesn't have a thing to do with it, look Halo/Bungie a great game and they didn't have that much experience.
-Third this doesn't means I am saying that DOA is better than MKDA, well in a way I just can't believe how the hair compares to it, and not just only the hair as I said, some realist details on faces and that stuff aswell.
-Fourth if they can handdle this they might do a greater game than this one.

-imo means "in my opnion"
-isnt halo on xbox?..ehich is more powerfil then the ps2.so they didnt need experience. the technology was already their...unlike midway. this was midways first attempt at a full 3d fighter..and its a damn good one. the next mk will bring better graphics as it will be built to push each systems ablities....meaning the next mk will be different on the 3 systems, unlike mkda.
-even if you did say doa was better, i would laugh in your face.
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06/27/2003 06:55 AM (UTC)
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And Not to mention that doa has no decent storylines to go along with that game. while mk on the other hand has good storline from the beginning. you can't have good fighting game without having a good storyline go along with it which doa lacks.
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06/27/2003 04:27 PM (UTC)
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ScorpionKing2003 Wrote:
And Not to mention that doa has no decent storylines to go along with that game. while mk on the other hand has good storline from the beginning. you can't have good fighting game without having a good storyline go along with it which doa lacks.


That's true, but then again, this guy is just talking about the graphics. Like I said before, the graphics in MKDA are really good.
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06/28/2003 12:32 AM (UTC)
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MKDA has decent graphics, IMO. They could have done better. Not that I'm complaining, though. It would be nice to see MK6 with graphics that match or even surpass Dead Or Alive 3's (XBox) and/or Virtua Fighter 4's (PS2). Some of you state that the characters of DOA don't look realistic due to their hair ands other things. You aren't really talking about the actual graphics--You're talking about character design. MK's character design is top notch (Though not as good as GGX2 :P). But what I'm focusing on is how realistic the characters look in terms of skin, hair, fingernail, etc. textures, not how their hair is shaped, etc.

But it's not really MKDA's graphical capacity that I dislike. It's the animation. I'm a sucker for really fluid animation, and I was not impressed at all by MKDA's animation. It could have been tons better, but I guess that is what sequels are for: to better and nullify the mistakes of the previous...
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06/28/2003 05:42 AM (UTC)
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Well, maybe some think that MK doesn't have decent graphics, probably they are not the best, but they work for me and I think they are cool. I have been playing fighting games since Final Fight and I can say that with the hardware nowadays the graphics are my biggest concern. Most of 3D fighters suck big time in the fighting engine, MK:DA totally rocks, it innovates in the MK Universe and still has the MK feeling. Aren't you going to tell me that playing Tekken, DOA, or Soul Calibur is as good as playing MK 2 o SSF 2? in my case it is a big NO. From the 3D fighters MK is one of the few that deserves my attention because it really makes me enjoy it to play. Tekken, DOA or SC are kids play for old players.
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06/28/2003 02:40 PM (UTC)
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I cant beleive people say the could had done better. When I first saw the game i was SHOCKED by the graphics. They are EXELENT. I mean, compared to other video games like VF or Tekken, its WAY better. Those games are Ok, but their graphics look kind a fake, like, squarish. The faces and bodies all end with lines that make them look as if they were squares.

In MkDA I can see clearly the good detail they did from the face to the legs, the well done animation of the hair and cloth. Its outstanding. The best graphics Ive seen.
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06/28/2003 02:59 PM (UTC)
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you guys are comparing japanese to americans...The japanese have different philosiphies compared to americans...there really is no comparison. thats like comparing apples and oranges.

They are both fruit but they do not look or taste the same.

Bungie has been around for a while and you cannot compare the graphics of Halo to MKDA because DA was designed for all platforms...sacrifices had to be made graphically. Bungie is not new boys and girls. They have been around for awhile. Its not even the same genre or engine.

DOA is an XBOX exclusive, still no comparison really. XBox will always have superior graphics. The bottom line to making a game look good is lighting...look at Splinter Cell. Tha actual models are not that good, but the lighting is insane.

Just so you guys know, XBox is the easiest system to develop for. Tools and support are off the hook.
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06/29/2003 05:21 AM (UTC)
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1. Yes I am talking about the character design and that stuff, like if some one rips off the head us being able to see the neck of the bone and that stuff and in random fatalities more/less of the bone comes out. ((hahaha) it could be fun) and this stuff might be my favourite.
2. If it's about consoles, at least they could've done better graphics on the XBOX.(And if they didn't have time then I forgive).wink
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06/29/2003 03:05 PM (UTC)
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DOA makes me want to cry, all those lovely graphics wasted on such a turd engine. But I've always wished MK could look more like DOA. I mean not as ghey looking.

MKDAs graphics are passable, but I admit to feeling very let down when I first saw the game in action. Almost all modern 3d fighters look better.
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06/29/2003 04:12 PM (UTC)
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Yes...yes. The graphics are the only thing that makes a game good. Never mind the gameplay, control system, sound, storyline, fun factor, all those other things that are argueably more important than graphics. DOA 3 is a better game than MK:DA because it's graphics are better. My mistake...all this time I thought it was those other things that made a game good.

I really wish people would drop this whole "graphics are better" arguement, seriously. It's usually brought up by XBox fans... "XBox has better graphics!", as if that actually makes a game any better than a given SNES game. If the gameplay isn't up to it, like DOA 3's is (there's some serious flaws in the fighting engine), not the mention the fact that DOA 3 has nothing to unlock so the replay value beyond the multiplayer is next to nothing, it doesn't make it anywhere near as good as a game like MK:DA.

Midway did just fine with the modes they added. Survival is a waste of memory...every fighting game that has a survival mode, I play it once and say "that was dumb" and never touch it again. I'd rather have the modes that are offered in MK, with all the cool stuff you can unlock to go along with it. A much better use of resources if you ask me.

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06/29/2003 05:36 PM (UTC)
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i think they should stick with the unrealism, cuz when they look like they r on steroids, it just looks sweet
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06/29/2003 06:13 PM (UTC)
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I think when it comes to the animations in MKDA, they can be very fluid. It's just that the game doesn't make it so easy for you to make it that way, and I kind of like it. When I played MKDA, it was kinda hard for me to do combos and stuff like that (yes, even the easiest of combos). But the more you play MKDA and the more you learn on the moves, then the result will be very fluid animations. And as for the graphics, they are really well done. I think that perhaps they should make the models a little more realistic like VF4, but they should still stick to the MK design. DOA3 has some really great graphics, but the actual character models don't give me a complete sense of realism.
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06/30/2003 03:19 AM (UTC)
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I am not saying that
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06/30/2003 08:40 AM (UTC)
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White_Pointer Wrote:
Yes...yes. The graphics are the only thing that makes a game good. Never mind the gameplay, control system, sound, storyline, fun factor, all those other things that are argueably more important than graphics. DOA 3 is a better game than MK:DA because it's graphics are better. My mistake...all this time I thought it was those other things that made a game good.


Yeah, but I think we've all secretly wished MKDA had DOA quality graphics.
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07/01/2003 05:35 PM (UTC)
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...in Street Fighter ex plus alpha had evry character (render movies) hairs like choclate...that's unrealistic...grin
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