No.

There could be a glitch or two that nobody has seen yet, but even that is a longshot, but there's no way there is a hidden character or anything. The game is a decade old.

im quit positive of this, there is nothing left, if there were they would of told us, like they did with a code from mk4, they told everyone about it liek 2 years later after nobody found it i think it was a menu, i dont remeber.

The PSX Cheat Menu Midway had to reveal wasn't "2 years later". It was like two WEEKS.

I dont know, in an old strategy book I had, the makers of the book asked Ed and John if the book was complete, they said almost... .The book had every Fatality, how to fight all the secret chars, everthing that we already know. They mentioned something about a Kano transformation and something else but I forgot what it was.

That Kano transformation thing isn't real.

Alpha_Q_Up Wrote: I dont know, in an old strategy book I had, the makers of the book asked Ed and John if the book was complete, they said almost... .The book had every Fatality, how to fight all the secret chars, everthing that we already know. They mentioned something about a Kano transformation and something else but I forgot what it was.

Here's what he's talking about (by the way, the "old strategy book" was actually EGM's Ultimate Guide To Fighting Games, and the part I'm gonna type up talks about the differences between each released version of MK2; also, the part that is entirely in capitl letters is me adding effect):

"...There are even rumors of version 3.8? Tons of secrets are still said to be in this game. Going through the codes, people have found all kinds of weird messages like 'Ed Boon wins' and there is even a Kano transformation counter in the Book Keep Mode. Rumors of animalities and other such things have filled the air waves and people are still trying to find that one extra thing that nobody knows. When asked if everything has been found, chief programmer of MK II, Ed Boon said, 'THERE IS STILL PLENTY OF THINGS TO FIND AND SOME OF THE STUFF YOU HEAR IS IN THERE.' "

First of all, no new secret was found for this game (at least not for the arcade version; Fergality = teh suck). Second, at the time I read this I was extremely excited, but now I've come to realize this was simply the first of many lies from Mr. Boon.

There IS a Kano transformation counter in the game, just like there is an Ermac counter in MK1 (Fat Satan told me about this). However, the main difference is that the counter in MK2 was simply put in to mess with the fans, while Ermac DOES appear in MK1 (but as I and many others have explained countless times before, a)It's simply Scorpion in a red outfit and 2)there is no way for you to fight him like there is to fight Reptile).

Many people have SWORN that there are Animalities in the game. Sub turning into a polar bear was talked about long before MK3. The flying dragons in the Kombat Tomb were (supposedly) part of another character's animality.

Bottom line is, as much as it pains moi to admit it, there are no secrets left for us to find in any MK game.

Well, for me there aren't. I know some NONE of you will EVER know about *cough nudeality cough*

MUA-HA-HA!

There IS a Kano transformation counter in the game, just like there is an Ermac counter in MK1 (Fat Satan told me about this). However, the main difference is that the counter in MK2 was simply put in to mess with the fans, while Ermac DOES appear in MK1 (but as I and many others have explained countless times before, a)It's simply Scorpion in a red outfit and 2)there is no way for you to fight him like there is to fight Reptile).


There is no counter in MK1 arcade for fighting a character named Ermac(like the counter for Reptile battles). There is, however, a counter for "ermacs". The same "ermacs" counter is also in Smash TV. It's something to do with the hardware early MK revisions ran on and was removed when they switched to the T-Unit boards.

MK1 is over a decade old and I have never seen a single bit of evidence about fighting Ermac. In ANY form. Either as a real hidden character or the much talked about "red scorpion glitch".

The fact that "ermacs" is not a MK1 exclusive glitch and that nobody has ever provided any real details on it in over 10 years leads me to believe Ermac being in MK1(again, in ANY form) is nothing more than a MK urban legend.

If anyone has any proof I'd love to see it.

From what I have read, ermacs are Error Macros. The idea is kind of simple if I have it right. When you program a game, you try to account for all possibilities. However, errors will probably still occur. In some cases, for a number of different games, there are error macros as a last line to prevent the game from crashing completely. A macro is a list of commands, like a mini program. An error macro is a list that is run when there are problems that can't be solved other ways.

There are ermacs in MK1, just like in other games. In the case of MK1, it is believed that when the proper series of events occurs, causing a very specific error, the ermac is triggered. What happens when it is triggered, I don't know. It might cause a glitched scorpion or something like that. However, the steps necessary to cause the error macro to run are so obfuscated that as far as I can tell, even the programmers would probably have trouble triggering it by simply playing the game.

So, I would say that there is no Ermac in MK1. I would say that there is the possibility that an error could be triggered that caused the error macro to run. From what I have read, when it does run in MK1, and again in a number of other games, it causes the phrase "ermac" to appear on the screen.

And another thing, if you are looking through the code of MK2 for unannounced characters, alities or anything like that, try looking in the PC version of MK2. It is funny. In certain program files there are plaintext messages if you open the file in a hex editor. The funniest I found looking through PC MK2 was "If you are reading this you have no life" or something to that effect just stuck in and obvious amongst all the hex info.

How do I do a Fergality?

What I don't get is...MK is a decade old, if there is some uber glitch why doesn't anyone know about it? Think about all the glitches we do know about in MK. How come none of those cause "ermacs"? It just makes no sense for a game to be 10 years old and still nobody have any solid details on this if it were really as something big as a red scorpion.

In the MK1 arcade manual ermacs are listed as "error traps".

Sakura Wrote: There IS a Kano transformation counter in the game, just like there is an Ermac counter in MK1 (Fat Satan told me about this). However, the main difference is that the counter in MK2 was simply put in to mess with the fans, while Ermac DOES appear in MK1 (but as I and many others have explained countless times before, a)It's simply Scorpion in a red outfit and 2)there is no way for you to fight him like there is to fight Reptile). There is no counter in MK1 arcade for fighting a character named Ermac(like the counter for Reptile battles). There is, however, a counter for "ermacs". The same "ermacs" counter is also in Smash TV. It's something to do with the hardware early MK revisions ran on and was removed when they switched to the T-Unit boards. MK1 is over a decade old and I have never seen a single bit of evidence about fighting Ermac. In ANY form. Either as a real hidden character or the much talked about "red scorpion glitch". The fact that "ermacs" is not a MK1 exclusive glitch and that nobody has ever provided any real details on it in over 10 years leads me to believe Ermac being in MK1(again, in ANY form) is nothing more than a MK urban legend. If anyone has any proof I'd love to see it.

I NEVER said that the Ermac counter was for the character, but maybe using a capital "E" led people to beleive I was talking about him. Sorry for that.

And the proof IS there. It was in EGM some months after MK1 came out for the arcades, and it was there Most Wanted Trick after a reader sent a polaroid.

Want more proof? Soon after MK2 came out, Boon admitted it in GamePro that Ermac (the red ninja) WAS in MK1, but (like I already mentioned), there simply was no set way to fight against him.

Now, I know that in my original post I mentioned that Boon was a liar. But adding this (the article that I read) to the pic I myself saw, and I (along with others) believe and KNOW that he is there.

The pic in EGM was almost surely a hoax. I thought even the most die-hard Ermac believer conceeded that particular pic was fake. The guy who sent it in wasn't talking about the error macro deal, he put it over as a legit hidden character and had some BS clues about fighting him.


I know of the Boon interview. No way to tell if he was BSing or not.

Boon's story makes no sense. Why does this one glitch get the red scorpion? Out of all the glitches in MK1, only that one produces the red scorpion? Just how rare can it be? Rare is one thing but NOBODY has ANY real info on it in a DECADE!? Come on now. Surely by now someone would have figured out how to reproduce it or look in the game's code and see what it's all about. The arcade machines have been played by millions and many, many people now have access to the game via emulator. It just doesn't add up.

Sakura Wrote: The pic in EGM was almost surely a hoax. I thought even the most die-hard Ermac believer conceeded that particular pic was fake. The guy who sent it in wasn't talking about the error macro deal, he put it over as a legit hidden character and had some BS clues about fighting him. I know of the Boon interview. No way to tell if he was BSing or not. Boon's story makes no sense. Why does this one glitch get the red scorpion? Out of all the glitches in MK1, only that one produces the red scorpion? Just how rare can it be? Rare is one thing but NOBODY has ANY real info on it in a DECADE!? Come on now. Surely by now someone would have figured out how to reproduce it or look in the game's code and see what it's all about. The arcade machines have been played by millions and many, many people now have access to the game via emulator. It just doesn't add up.

I honestly doubt that a fan could've come up with such a great (looking) hoax over 10 years ago. Nowadays, sure, but not then.

As for those "BS clues", not entirely true. What he said was that he beat a friend in the Hall of Champions (or whatever that stage where all the statues are is called) using Johnny Cage. He got a double-flawless USING ONLY HIGH PUNCH, and after the Fatality, Ermac appeared. He CLEARLY says that he tried it again, in every single stage (obviously his friend let him beat him; obviously I MYSELF tried it out too ), but it didn't happen.

But you're right: There's no way to tell whether or not Boon's interview in GamePro was legit or not. And maybe the reason why the glitch no longer happens is 'cause they fixed it a looooong time ago, who knows.

The pic is not great. It's really dark.

The glitch is fixed, or at least not a problem in later revisions. Once they switched hardware "ermacs" counter was removed. I don't see how this helps your case any. Older revisions are still floating around(I have one in my home, in fact) and you can emulate the older versions with "ermacs" in them.


The only evidence to support Ermac is one shady pic and an interview from a guy who has been known to bullshit all the time. The game is 10 years old. Not a very strong case for the existence of the red ninja if you ask me, especially considering other games besides MK have "ermacs". Do they have red ninjas too? It just doesn't make sense.

It also doesn't make sense that Boon or anybody else wouldn't simply come out and say "Hey, ya'll remember that Ermac thingy I sorta said was true in GamePro? Well, it ain't." It's been over 10 years, so I really doubt anybody would care if they cleared up this mess like they did with that whole Reiko/Kahn crap.

LOL, Sakura, don't know if you've noticed, but this thread was about MK TWO secrets

P.S. Mad props to you for being able to carry out a civil discussion

I reckon theres defintely a chance that theres a few undiscovred secrets

The aura of mystery the series has is not really warrented, especially with MK II. There has never been anything that was actually that hidden. None of the hidden characters in MK II are that well hidden, they're all listed in the audits menu and all of them were found out as soon as they were added to later revisions. It only took months to find Noob because he wasn't actually in the game until revision 3.1. All of the stuff like the Deadpool, Kintaro morph fatal, ect. were found right after it was put in. If you had the internet then or were involved in a halfway decent arcade scene you'd have known about the hidden stuff like before 3.1 had even shipped nation wide.

Fan created buzz and Ed Boon's policy on never confirming or denying rumors is what leads to MK II being seen as "mysterious". It's funny and really shows the power of a good rumor. None of the stuff hyped in MK II was real. There never were Animalities, Shang never really could morph into Kano, you couldn't really fight Blaze on the Pit II, you couldn't actually pick up weapons in the armory. Yet despite the fact that there's no real precedent for an uber secret in MK II...people STILL believe. 10 years later and MK II is still thought of as a mysterious game.

Sakura Wrote: Boon's story makes no sense. Why does this one glitch get the red scorpion? Out of all the glitches in MK1, only that one produces the red scorpion? Just how rare can it be?

very rare. just like the cyrax/noob/smoke gltich on mkt.

anyway, back to the topic...ive always wondered if there were stuff in mk2 that wasnt discoverd.

ahah god this is the damn reason I LOVE MK!! THE DAMN RUMORS....I LOVE IT

I remember reading something in EGM/Gampro/Something anyways that said: In Mk2 If you got a double flawless on all the hidden char. you would fight a fourth char that was hidden, dam i wish i new the mag i was reading at the time. do any of you know what i talking about? i tried like hell with a buddy of my and could not do it at all. We fig that it was fake or the staff at the mag was lied to, were they got the info who the hell know.

Kano transformation ...real or not? I think it is in the game. Look at MK3 When nightwolf does his fatality and Raiden shows up and says" I still have not seen a Kano Transformation". Maybe Raiden is a hint or a key char to find/do the kano transformation. Just my thoughts on that one.

As for the other alitys (bear/goat) I never seen one and never new anyone that has seen one. They could be there but that one i will not count on.

It's Nightwolf's Friendship and Raiden says "I've never seen a Kano transformation". It's a joke. There is no Kano morph in MK II, the game is a decade old and the game's content has been studied and played inside out.

ya my bad I meant Friendship

All I can add to this convo is I read in EGM many moons ago, probably when MK4 was released, and in the magazine Boon said

"There is still stuff in the other games people haven't found yet"

take that as u will