No biggie really, as MK3 is still fine by me. At least it'll bring back much memories.

it's soooo retarded. but oh well. mk3 was tight i guess. the AI in it is a hell of a lot better than umk3 atleast. but sub-zero = TOO BROKEN.

LOL Menthol, I have a tough time decided which is worse because of the serious flaws in UMK3 AI that is character specific, but in MK3, you can roundhouse the computer every time they walk in or run into you with any character no matter the difficulty. Motaro is more difficult because of no kump punch starters, and Kahn is pretty much the same.

Matt

that's exactly why. you can practice your offense in mk3 against the computer.

I simply do not understand.

umk3 follows a simple pattern to play against the AI. the AI in mk3, while dumb as a whore, atleast doesn't follow a lame ass pattern like in umk3. if you like the set pattern of the AI in umk3, by all means, like it more. but i on the other hand enjoy playing against the computer without using a pattern to win.

MENTHOL Wrote: umk3 follows a simple pattern to play against the AI. the AI in mk3, while dumb as a whore, atleast doesn't follow a lame ass pattern like in umk3. if you like the set pattern of the AI in umk3, by all means, like it more. but i on the other hand enjoy playing against the computer without using a pattern to win.

They both had terrible AI. UMK3 they kept their distance and fired at jumping kicks for the most part, MK3 they didn't really do much blocking inside sweep, so you could get them with any capture, or roundhouse or whatever. Both had simple patterns. AI was not good in any of the MKs before MKDA. I don't know the AI in DA because I haven't played it much, but it could suck too for all I know.

umk3's is worse. for the most part, you could freestyle offense against the AI in mk3. in umk3, you HAD to follow a pattern. i don't like to be told what to do by the AI. i never got that feeling with mk3.

So you are saying UMK3's AI is more difficult, not worse, but that would depend on your definition of worse lol, if you try to fight them punch for punch you will lose, but in MK3, they are just not challenging enough. I personally can fight the AI in UMK3 without always following to a basic pattern, it's tough, but possible. All AI in MK games is pretty much mean and counter perfect...except MK3, and there are still countless micro patterns in MK3 to follow, that's why it's so easy to beat them and get the feeling of "freestyle". The system still controls you.

Matt

i've seen videos of lex mash the AI with kung lao in umk3. it was impressive.

"So you are saying UMK3's AI is more difficult"

uhhh hardly. the AI in umk3 is easy. teleport city. the AI in mk3 is still better in my opinion. even with the easy AI, i can do a lot more stuff with it.

You realize all he did was wait for them to jump kick and counter with a spin? There's a couple characters that doesn't work on, but again it's working with what the AI produces.

If you fight the CPU man to man, which game is harder, MK3, or UMK3? UMK3

If you follow patterns, which game is harder? Neither, you're following patterns and cannot lose in either situation. Also, have you ever played anything but version 1.1 of UMK3? Because if you haven't you wouldn't know that they fixed the AI not blocking after teleport punches and what not. So only Sektor, Robot Smoke, Kung Lao, and Mileena are effective by using the jump back kick, counter projectile with teleport move. Ermac, Scorpion, Human Smoke are not as "easy" to beat the AI with anymore.

The main point is both AI's are worthless, and you shouldn't be playing it to improve your game cause you will lose against real players if you do. You're better off practicing against and nonmoving P2 for juggles and combos.

mk3 doesn't follow the same set pattern of staying back and waiting to be attacked. they mix it up. it has better AI IMO.


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i NEVER said i play against the AI to improve my game. i said you can practice offense. quit making an argument out of everything and take the dildo out of your ass that says "superior" on it. please.

But I am superior...and thanks for defining opinion, because it really helps show that I'm talking about facts, and you aren't. It's kinda like being color blind, you see green, but think it's brown, but it's not really brown, it's just green. All I do is use positive knowledge.

which shows a lot about your intelligence considering this whole thread has been me saying "in my opinion" and talking in such a way. but thanks for now just realizing it. moron. and no, i'm far superior. i just don't brag about it. well, except now.
talking about which AI you think is better IS opinion. sorry robot.

You realize opinions are wrong where there is no basis for having them right? That's why they can be since they aren't always based on facts. You also realize not all topics are subject to opinion right? Like the AI in two games, each having a simple structure of beating it, but if playing one in the same way as the other, you cannot win. The one where you can't win is the better AI, if you think impossible AI is bad AI because it's impossible, you're wrong, that's extremely good AI, hence the impossible to beat property. If both games have a method of beating the computer, at least one, in any given situation, they are equally as bad.

MK3 and UMK3 both have bad AI, but MK3 is easier to beat than UMK3 if you play without using the patterns. You like MK3 better because of this, and because you can practice your offense on moving targets. What other reason would you practice your offense other than to get better, or at least, keep up with your skills.

You have constantly changed your point, not unlike many many other people who post here and like to argue with me. I only argue when people dispute facts incase you haven't noticed. Like in the other thread we're arguiing in, I present facts, you say I'm wrong, you look bad, simple enough.

Every now and then I tell a friend I work with who is as into MK as I am, about things that go on in these threads, he doesn't come online often enough to keep up, normally his reactions to the things people say are "That is some unorthodox logic" or "are they for real?" And sometimes I don't even know to be honest.

Your liking MK3's AI is not in dispute here. The arguement is about which AI is better. I am right here, there's no reason to argue about it.

There are TONS of AI patterns in UMK3, which adds variety to playing the AI, but again there's no reason to play against the AI in the greater scheme of things.

I presented a method of defeating every character in MK3 with one move. That is horrible AI. You can't do that in UMK3. It may have a patternto beat with people who teleport, but that's only a fraction of the characters.

Once again, I am correct in saying UMK3 has better AI than MK3, but they are both bad AI in general.

You like MK3's AI because it suits you better. I like MK3 AI better too! I didn't feel the need to say until now, and now you're extremely confused, so I'll let you soak this in so you can fully understand what is I'm trying to get across, because you're arguing about which AI you like better and which AI IS better at the same time using the same arguement, and that doesn't work because one contradicts the other.

Thank you drive through.

Matt

Mr. Broken has spoken (again)

it comes down to opinion. if you think having a set pattern is a better AI, fine. if you think MK3's more traditional easy style is better, fine. you've been arguing way too long and now you've just snapped. you can tell because everyone that argues way too much can't accept opinion anymore. they have their head so far far shoved up their ass they cry fact every chance they get. sorry bro, doesn't work here. it's opinion about which AI is better. and since the begininning of this thread i made it quick to point out it's my opinion because i saw your panties getting in a bunch. yet you continue arguing with ghosts who are arguing back about facts. because it's OBVIOUS i'm not arguing about facts.


smarter AI doesn't mean better AI. not in umk3's case. it's to the point of cheap and patterned. that doesn't make it better. hence it being an opinion. mk3's is better and i'll continue saying. there's no "facts" you can shake at me that will make me see the light. deal with it or keep crying over opinions. makes no difference to me.

ps. yes i play against the computer to keep things in my memory. not to improve my game.

MK2KungBroken, argues like a girl.

Here comes the Robot again, and it's going to get specific.

My point has been "It takes less effort to beat MK3 using the most obvious pattern there is because it works on everyone, with everyone."

Apparently you don't think this is a pattern.

Once the computer gets to the moderate difficulty, after the initial time they just walk towards you and time a roundhouse properly, they will run at you everytime, and at this point the roundhouse timing is negligable and only has to touch their collision box and that's it. Every character, killed by a single move.

If you play the game the way you are talking, the "freestyle" method, you still have a decent chance of winning, and I understand that, but still doesn't make the AI better in any way. It makes it user friendly, I admit that, and it's more fun, but it's still not better. You can't have an opinion on this: The computer is more skilled in UMK3, that is a fact, they are BETTER at the game. The AI is totally inclusive of everything they do. You say the AI in MK3 is better based on a specific way you play the game, not on the bare bones method of beating it. You can't beat the AI with everyone in UMK3 using the same method so already it has one up on MK3. You're talking about AI breaking strategies, and that's what matters. MK3's is a more simplistic break.

In UMK3, if you jump away, kick, and do a teleport punch with Scorpion, and NOTHING else, just one move, as I have leveled it down to in MK3, there is a chance the computer will then run at you, and attack you constantly, chip you down, or throw you to death and there is very little you can do about it. There is also a chance they will not do that, which breaks pattern theory, however, there are tons of smaller patterns. MK3 is full of "micro" patterns, all of which dictate your gameplay, but what it comes down to is how do you trick the computer into losing, and it's easier to do in MK3, I don't know what is so hard to understand.

The bottom line is, you're going to read this, or not read this, and just think what you want and that your opinion overrides what is known. I'm not telling you what to like better, I'm telling you what IS better. Some people like MK2 Genesis better than MK2 SNES, that's fine, but when they say because it had better sound and graphics, they become retarded farm animals.

I'd like to thank the academy, my staff, my manager, everyone who supported me in my efforts, my publicist, she is a very wonderful person, my mom, and my mentor Superstar Billy Graham.

Matt

you're right about one thing, i will think what i want. which is the right thing to think.

comparing both games patterns is moronic and you know it. umk3's pattern is one stuck pattern you're forced to use if you want to be effective. mk3's, you have a choice of how you want to play against the AI. you can make an argument about umk3 and how you can do what you want. but we all know it's a 1 out of 90 times it's actually effective to play that way without using a pattern to win.

i'd like to thank you, mk2kungbroken, for re-assuring that i'm right. as usual.

-MENTH

LOL man I'm good.

i'm good too.

Last word:

Win.

win or go home.


so like, go home.