I was wondering how long it was going to be before someone mentioned my sig....
Of course...that's not in game.. so.....



but anyway...I'm not being too vague.
This post is about opinions. My opinion is that regular teleports are useless. What does it matter whether you think I'm right or wrong. That's just an opinion as well.

Also, I'm not talking about the most useless move for people who spend waaayyyy too much time playing the game, and have nothing better to do than sit around and devise new ways to use individual moves for hours and hours...and even go to the extent of recording their obvious lack of life....(j/k)...

I'm talking about the average gamer.

The one who has a life. Maybe has a wife and child. Only gets to play games for a few minutes a day if he's lucky. Someone who's reflexes don't run like he's a friggin android.
Me, in other words.

I find Blocking or Ducking more useful than teleporting. Is that so hard to understand?

Funny...someone else who says something and then contradicts himself.

krsx66 Wrote: And although you say the useful ones are the tele punches etc. they can tend to get relied upon and overused by weak players - making a match very boring and predictable. I'd rather teleport with Raiden and end up right behind my opponent, than tele-uppercut with Cyber Smoke and be blocked - leaving me open for heavy damage. The most useful in combat seem to be H. Smoke's, Ermac's and Scorpion's (especialy Scorpion's cus he can go forward and back) teleport punches...

Funny mk2kungbroken, you did too....

darthtsung Wrote: just about any teleport,...ever. mk2kungbroken Wrote: Yeah that's right.

darthtsung Wrote: Funny...someone else who says something and then contradicts himself. krsx66 Wrote: And although you say the useful ones are the tele punches etc. font>

That wasnt a contradiction, it was a typo (which has now been corrected.) It wasn't supposed to be tele-punches, it was supposed to be teleport uppercuts...

I'll take non-attack teleports any day, they are far safer. Look at the damage that results from a blocked Scorpion, ermac, human smoke, sektor, or robo smoke teleport, its enormous.

MK2 Raiden in MKT is uber deadly thanks to his teleport, it makes him a contender and it certainly helps him in MK2 as well.

Most useless move overall would be a tie for me between the scissor takedown in MK2 and the groundblade in UMK3T.

darthtsung Wrote: Also, I'm not talking about the most useless move for people who spend waaayyyy too much time playing the game, and have nothing better to do than sit around and devise new ways to use individual moves for hours and hours...and even go to the extent of recording their obvious lack of life....

LMAO!!! That was pretty damn funny.

I'd say Scorpion's leg take down.

Darth has an inability to detect sarcasm.

He also has an inability to detect his own lack of life lol.

Why is that people on message boards tend to attack the personal lives of those they argue with?

Someone says something stupid like "Teleports are useless" and I defend teleports. There's really no reasonable way to counter argue it, nor is there a point because the guy doesn't understand the game.

If you don't know, I work full time hours, and I'm also an independent professional wrestler, with a healthy social life. I can bet my life is more exciting than yours just because of the professional wrestling, but I could be wrong, maybe you're in a band or something that goes around to clubs an performs (similar concept) but try not to attack personal lives of people before you know them.

Scorps leg trip

Kabals ground saw

Sindels flight

I seem to be the only one who uses/d Scorpion's scissor takedown(I find it very effective), and Kabal's ground saw is somewhat useful after using his spin.
Cyrax's air throw I have NO use for, unlike Smoke's, I added it to the beginning of my combo: Air throw, Tele-uppercut, Tele-uppercut, Trident, uppercut, (run in) uppercut, (run in)uppercut (last uppercut difficult).
I'm not a combo player, but there are times when I do use them. I play like the cpu, mostly because the cpu is my only opponent(only child/friends don't live close)
How the hell can you not have a for use Teleports?



Ka-Tra

I have tried and tried to get the Ground Saw into a kombo for Kabal. I used to try to put it at the end of the pop up, jump kick and fireball but the timing was never right.

Someone else who can't take a joke.
Why are people around here so friggin' touchy.
if you would pay attention, I put J/K at the end of that paragraph...That means, for those of you who don't know, Just Kidding.
It seems your awful defensive over somemthing so silly.
Crap. You can't talk about politics or religion or people will be upset, and that is almost understandable, but it seems people around here can't take a simple joke either.

Also, don't confuse exitement with "a life". Having a son has given me an all new perspective on what life is. And anyway, you don't know exitement until you've had your own child look into your eyes and call you "dada", or had him reach for you, or seen him take his first steps. That, my friend is exitement.
But on to the subject of life as you describe it:
I have a 50+ hour/week job at a machining factory where I am the supervisor of a crew that machines front and rear crossmembers for the Corvette and Cadillac XLR. I also do VBA programming for their Spreadsheets and such.
I play the following instruments(all I can think of right now):
Trumpet, Trombone, Euphonium/Baritone, Cornet, French Horn, Mellophone, Flugelhorn(one of my personal favs), Auxiliary Percussion, Drum Set, Tenor Drums(Quads), Field Snare, Piano,... I have a wife, a son, 5 brothers and sisters. LOVE to go fishing in my spare time,...what little I have.
Play trumpet live at least once a week.
And I still find time to play video games at least a few minutes every day....
anyway...

on that note...I take back my previous JOKE statement and replace it with something that is not meant to be a joke.
GET A SENSE OF HUMOR!!!


Anyway, about the thread,I was just making a statement.
For me, teleports are generally useless.

It has nothing to do with inability or as you put it "guy doesn't understand the game". It only has to do with my own personal gameplay style and preferences. IT IS AN OPINION.

The first post in this thread states:
"Of all of the special moves for the fighters MK1-UMK3, which is the move that is the most useless to you?"

That is what I responded to.
Get over yourself, your too friggin' self-centered if you think only your opinion matters.
Jeez.

mk2kungbroken Wrote: Darth has an inability to detect sarcasm. He also has an inability to detect his own lack of life lol. Why is that people on message boards tend to attack the personal lives of those they argue with? Someone says something stupid like "Teleports are useless" and I defend teleports. There's really no reasonable way to counter argue it, nor is there a point because the guy doesn't understand the game. If you don't know, I work full time hours, and I'm also an independent professional wrestler, with a healthy social life. I can bet my life is more exciting than yours just because of the professional wrestling, but I could be wrong, maybe you're in a band or something that goes around to clubs an performs (similar concept) but try not to attack personal lives of people before you know them.

P.S. Anyway, in all seriousness, I apologize if my joke offended you in any way.

mk2kungbroken Wrote: I'm also an independent professional wrestler, with a healthy social life.

Scissor takendown, not sure I've ever used it in real gameplay.

Ever have the mouse click by itself?

lol. I have a touchpad on my laptop that used to do that all the time.

I was wondering why there were 3 new posts all of the sudden.

lol

Tetra_Vega Wrote: Cyrax's air throw I have NO use for, unlike Smoke's, I added it to the beginning of my combo: Air throw, Tele-uppercut, Tele-uppercut, Trident, uppercut, (run in) uppercut, (run in)uppercut (last uppercut difficult). I'm not a combo player, but there are times when I do use them. I play like the cpu, mostly because the cpu is my only opponent(only child/friends don't live close) How the hell can you not have a for use Teleports? Ka-Tra

What kind of settings are you using for that Smoke combo? I'm just assuming you have the uppercut recovery kombat kode on or something. Anyhoo, I actually have used the Cyrax air throw somewhat effectively. If nothing else, it can take players by surprise because most people forget it even exists. Plus you can combo it off his normal throw (the piledriver that launches them slightly)... although I have a feeling there are much more damaging options available there (the double throw looks pretty cool though).

Hey Darth Sung, its nice for you that you can play such many Instrument,s and if you doesnt use teleporting in your gameplay it,s ok.
And if you think its the worsest special move for you it,s also ok.
But that doesnt change the fact that it,s actually definitly not the worstest if you compare it to other one,s.
Just play against an experienced Raiden/Kung Lao player and you will see that you dont can always counter or predict his teleportation.
Specialy in the heat of battle you dont always count with that.
And another thing.

It,s easy to put a JK aka Just Kidding at the end of some flame.
But that doesnt change the fact that you are offense, you cant think that a JK at the end make,s all ok lol.
If I say to some guy, he you have no life you fucker, JK. Do you think it,s a Joke for him?

The biggest problem about the Internet is the anonymity, you can think "man that guys must be a fucker" but probably if you meet him in real life you would be friends.
The biggest problem is also that people dont care how to talk with other,s.
The fact that we dont see us, or know us in reality should change somekind of respect.
Maybe sometimes it,s even true that some guys have no life ect. but you dont know and even if you know it,s not a reason to flame.
Amen lol.

Once again... Read My Full Post Before You Reply!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I very clearly apologized at the end of my post above.


AND Once again... The original poster of this thread was asking for personal opinions on what is the most useless move for YOU, meaning what I, ME, MYSELF find useless. Not anyone else. Whether you or anyone else finds it useful or not does not matter. I shouldn't be ganged up on either, just because other people disagree with me. And that is exactly what happened. I was just stating my PERSONAL OPINION.

I think this is why so many of my veteran friends from back in the gamers.com days have left. People don't respect OPINIONS, and they should, whether they agree with them or not.

KillerMiller Wrote: Hey Darth Sung, its nice for you that you can play such many Instrument,s and if you doesnt use teleporting in your gameplay it,s ok. And if you think its the worsest special move for you it,s also ok. But that doesnt change the fact that it,s actually definitly not the worstest if you compare it to other one,s. Just play against an experienced Raiden/Kung Lao player and you will see that you dont can always counter or predict his teleportation. Specialy in the heat of battle you dont always count with that. And another thing. It,s easy to put a JK aka Just Kidding at the end of some flame. But that doesnt change the fact that you are offense, you cant think that a JK at the end make,s all ok lol. If I say to some guy, he you have no life you fucker, JK. Do you think it,s a Joke for him? The biggest problem about the Internet is the anonymity, you can think "man that guys must be a fucker" but probably if you meet him in real life you would be friends. The biggest problem is also that people dont care how to talk with other,s. The fact that we dont see us, or know us in reality should change somekind of respect. Maybe sometimes it,s even true that some guys have no life ect. but you dont know and even if you know it,s not a reason to flame. Amen lol.

People are also often under the false impression that opinions cannot be right or wrong.

You said teleports suck, you gave not a single good reason why.

I usually don't like "what's your favorite color/food/tv show" concept topics. This was borderline, but when you make a post about something you know people are going to disagree with, then have some back, otherwise, your opinion is worthless. But if you truly feel that strongly about something, you should be prepared to defend it if challenged and I don't think anyone here has accepted that from you.

Johnny Cage's nutpunch sucks because:

It has no range, minimal escape value, leaves him wide any time he does it, doesn't allow anything to be comboed after it.

Kabal's groundsaw sucks because:

It has tremendous start up time, it only moves across the ground, it does little damage, nothing can be combo after it unless it gets the person in the tiny area above it that catches them off the ground, it disappears if Kabal is hit, Kabal is wide open if he does it.

Scorpion's leg takedown is kind of debatable. It can theoretically be used as a long range anti air, but it's not worth it when in the same range you can get an anti air HP, harpoon, to uppercut, doing twice the damage a leg take down will do. He can be attacked before he recovers, and it doesn't push the person away, so a point blank leg take down can be punished by virtually anything. It's not a move that is totally full of cons.

Teleports of any variety:
Can be punished only if used improperly.

That's it, there's nothing else you can say about any teleport. Saying you'd rather take damage than avoid it is counter productive. Teleporting out of the way of an attack with Raiden you can normally only block depending on position is way more worth it, and it throws the other person's strategy off momentarily, unless they are excepting the teleport, in which case they are going to try to capitalize it, but once you get to that situation, the players aren't playing the same type of game, and you aren't going to see Raiden being used, instead mostly Jax and Mileena. Kung Lao's teleport can end with an attack, the only time you should use it is if you know it's not going to be countered. It's that simple. You can't say the same for other moves.

If you catch someone in a situation with Johnny Cage where you are close enough for a nutpunch during their recovery, you should instead do his close range launcher HK, followed by a shadow kick, or if you're in the corner, a juggle of your choice, this way you will do more damage. When you get the point where real tactics are being used, you will understand why certain moves you might find useless now, are not so useless.

This is a logical, technical, non flaming post, intended on educating, not eduhating.

Matt

Whatever you say chief.

Here is what the original poster said, and he really didn't give any reasoning. Did you jump him???

Of all of the special moves for the fighters MK1-UMK3, which is the move that is the most useless to you?

Mine would be Reptile's slow acid ball.


How about yours...


I was answering his question in kind.
I gave you my reasoning.
I don't find them useful. That's it that answers the original question.

Anyway, if you want to be technical...
The teleport tends to get my butt kicked when I play against the CPU. I have no human opponents of any skill to play against. The CPU is cheap on the harder difficulties, the only ones worth playing against.

I have MK1, 2, 3 for SNES, Trilogy, 4, for n64, DA for GCN.

It doesn't matter when I use the teleport, the CPU has some cheap tactic for avoiding it.
MK1:
If I use it to avoid a projectile(Rayden), my animation still ends to late to make it of any use. And being in close, the cheap CPU automatically gets a throw out of it.

MK2: same thing applies for Rayden. Kung Lao:
By the time the CPU has recovered from the Kick Lao hasn't been on the ground for long enough to perform any move before the CPU sweeps or throws.

MK3: I've never really liked MK3, Harder difficulty CPU is so cheap with long combos, and the only characters that I ever really had the time to learn to perform well with were Sub and Cyrax.
Same Applies to trilogy.

MK4: Sorry, but all of the teleports in this game were awful. I just never found a use for them, when it was much easier to just block and then punish the recovering CPU.

I've never had a use for Tele's because they aren't worth it to me, when I could easier use something more powerful. That is my reasoning.
I don't get to play Human opponents very often and I have to play against the CPU.
I don't have hours to sit and learn every nuance of the game. It seems that you are so stuck on your own skill that you forget that other people play different ways. That doesn't mean they are wrong, they just play differently. Get over yourself.

HaHa. You know what i was just thinking. I wonder if he's going to go make a video demonstrating teleports just to try to prove me wrong. That would be hilarious...

HaHa.

Of course...it won't matter... so don't waste your time.

Listen Man. I know you have skill. I've watched your video's for a while now. I've always thought you had skill. And you've proven it time and time again. Props to you for that. But you need to just understand. Your skill and your own opinions don't change my opinion, in direct relation to the original post of this thread.

I appreciate your obvious passion for the game and your willingness to argue your point, but the fact is opinion threads are just that opinions. That's all. Mine just happens to be different from others.

I'm just so tired of arguing about something so silly. I apologize again, if I have offended you in any way.

-DarthTsung

Why do people think that "get over yourself" is going to make someone think they aren't right? I know who I am, I know what I know, and I know my limitations. I only try and educate with what I know.

In any event, maybe you should play people online and advance your skill in the games since you have no one locally. It's as simple as that. I'd be happy to teach you UMK3.

MK was designed to be played against another person, which is why the CPU sucks.

Matt

First, I don't have broadband.
I just knocked my classic cable package(60 channels) down to basic(20) because I can't afford it. So, I definitely can't afford to get a broadband internet connection and setup my computer with the necessary equipment.

B, I don't have the old games on my computer, or a gamepad good enough to play them with. I tried with the one I've got and it sucks. Can't afford to buy a new one.

and 4, did I mention that I don't have money.
I married, have a kid, a car that I've put almost $1000 dollars into in the last 6 months. $450/mo rent, wife only gets 15/hrs a week. I've been scraping and saving just ot be able to muy MK:Deception. My wife would kill if I bought anything else. (EDIT * That's just an thisthingisdisabled of course. She won't really be upset because I'm gonna sell off some of my old games)

I'm on the same old laptop that I've had for years now, and I'm on here at work because all I have at home is a free connection with AOL (which I hate, but used anyway just to have a connection) for 3 months.


And man, I apologized, let it go....

You need to get your priorities straight then.

Matt