I think I'm understanding what Chain is trying to get across. At first, I couldn't understand what he was saying but I think I do now. (Poor wording)

So to see that I'm understanding. Your talking about a move that can be done it a spot where the move really isn't suppose to be done at. i/e, When I do a jumpkick with Jax, Pressing block a split second after connected will do a backbreaker onto your opponent. Thats in MK2. Is that what your talking about?

For speaking the truth..

Shock, you're just a lowlife kid, not even trying to verify what's said. None does even. You guys aren't even worth the truth.


But me need to be banned? Lol. I didn't knew you were that sad. At first I thought you weren't worth being near anything MKII. Now I just laugh at your fat ass being scared for the truth. Thumbs up.

I don't know what you're talking about but if you want to fly to the states I'll mess you up in UMK3 for free, I'll even pay for your round trip plane ticket, and then I'll fly some MKII players here and they'll mess you up in MKII. You want that? I doubt it.

Since when do you pay for plane tickets? I don't think accros the Atlantic, rofl. I never shitted anyone here about actual battle skills, but if you do pay for plane tickets, why not get Nafa there?
And when does the MKII vid come out. You only had the compose it some time ago already..


Vultyrex, I hope at least you understand that you 'charge' HK for at least 2 frames in ducking frames. You can test it again,, by (any tap) of HK tapped on the moment when you go into the walking forward frames of the 2nd forward of the F-D-F motion.
I can't tell it more clearer to explain (or give test) that any of those alternative motions stated anywhere is not true.
You can fiddle with an normal tap of HK you thought which is just pressing a button, to tap HK in the last few frames of rising from a duck at Finish Him/Her.

That the Fatal can work with no more than 1 frame of HK input in general, indeed has to with that it's initiated on a moment that a normal move normally wouldn't come out.
Being in any of the block frames where for ex. you can't have a LK to come out, can be used for a one frame HK tap.
If I call these blocking frames a window of where it's possible, then you have also a window of where it's possible when landing any jump without an airspecial.
The other options I mentioned of where it's possible, relate to the condition of being able to do any Fatal while being still in another move. Like if you would use an aaHK to ground the opponent, the 'one frame too soon' moment takes place while the opponent is still stunning backwards.

It's best to be verified with a knee given as last blow.

But to verify one needs to be absolutely sure he/she taps HK by only 1 frame, and it's seriously not that easy.

That one taps right, is done best by really putting effort to it. I use a whipping like motion with my wrist to shoot the top of my point finger on the HK button.
And to check that one can do it right, I think it's easiest to tap lef or right Mileena self for ex. , and the smallest tap made results in not really a step being made, but more like that she gets a little shock.

But again to verify all this, you have to be sure that you tap by 1 frame when you want/need it to.

If you then try it out with a knee given as last blow, and you 1 frame tap 1 frame too late, it results in another knee directly after the knee given as last blow, thus without any frames in between those knees.
If you tap 1 frame before the '1 frame too soon moment' and nothing happens other than you knowing you really tapped a 1 frame HK.


The big risk again is when you aren't steady to give a '1 frame tap' . Is that you charge it unknowingly tapping a little too soon, and to release it on the 'frame to soon moment' or 1 frame later with the same result of doing the Fatal right after the knee.

Ah... I just played MK2 and your right. If HK is held for more than .5 seconds the fatality will be done.

I'll list the combinations I did and these all worked.

Down, Forward, Down, HK
Block + HK, HK
Forward, Down, Forward, HK
Down, Down, HK
Down, Down, Forward, HK

For some reason pressing back will cancel the fatality. So in question, which fatality is the official 'original' fatality combination? This might be a glitch in her fatality.

It's closer to less than 0.1 second.

Technically because what I told is true about the 1 frame HK tap, the Fatality = 1 frame HK, "hold" and release . But if another move can come out at a certain moment it overrules the Fatality and does a normal HK or knee or roll for that matter. In other words another move initiated by HK has then a higher priority.

I don't understand why you are making this lengthy dissertation about doing Mileena's fatality. I also don't understand why you are talking about glitch canceling and just frames or what it has to do with any of this. I don't understand the point of you posting at all in this thread, or having internet access either.

At the same time you have made more skullable posts in one thread than I've seen most people make in their tenure at this site. I really don't know who you think you are, or what kind of influence you have in the MK community, but you are a nobody and that will never change.

Was that to Chain?

This is my first topic here, I thought it was cool to let people know.

Shock, just stfu if you don't know what I am talking about.

And don't call me that skullable of a person because I called you fat, only twice. I am done with this thread. The last explanaition with the knee and the certainty of one's tap, one can verify.

Can't we all just get along or are we proving the point that MK causes more violence?

Just kidding. LMAO.

I still don't know what you're talking about. Your raging jealousy is so apparent, keep talking dude, everyone is getting a good laugh at your expense.

I think he's trying to explain that even if HK is held for 0.1 seconds, the fatality will work.

In a nutshell.

Ohhhh that's what he's talking about in between all the jealousy, rage, undeserved ego, insults, slander, flaming, trolling, unprovoked personal attacks, assumptions, accusations, misconceptions, inaccuracies, exaggerations, false pretenses, ignorances, and posting violations he's made in this thread. Thanks for clearing that up.

Yes, I also move for his removal. He shouldn't act like that on this thread or otherwise treat people the way he treated you.

Chain, you should apoligize no matter if you even hate the person, be a bigger man and walk away. Takes a lot of guts and nuts to apoligize for you actions. All you had to say what is what I said, would have saved a lot of confusion. I didn't even understand you at first.

The guy has amazing anti-logic processes in his head because apparently he wants to help out in an MKII combo video I'm working on with Konqrr and ded_ go figure.

I see. I may have a few ideas for you as well.

What a suck up you are Vultyrex.

There were onnly 2 things I wanted to lay down here.

1- That any other variation of the Mileena Fatal is fake.

2- How to get the Fatal done with only one frame of HK input and where it's possible..

3- What the actual Fatality 'combination' is.
And I added the probable technical issue as to why in rest frames another move initiated by HK has a higher priority, which is just logic.

Granted, as the Fatal = one frame HK input, release, the Fatal still gets initiated on the the frame where one would normally a bikekick for ex. at it's earliest moment.
But that simply wasn't the issue, only if Ded_ added to his first reply that one does the same when tapping a release special at the beginning of a match, which also has the possebility to be initiated with only 1 frame. All I was about here was to truly define everything about the Fatal.

And Shock, if I wanted to do everything you said I did in this thread, oh boy all hell would have broken loose. And I just letted you rant without my willing to reply, as I really don't care about anything you are. Be happy you can sit your clowny throne around here.
The only thing I always had against you is that you claim new finds. Sure you had a few, but you claimed many more, and that's clowny.

I don't think sinala cares that much about MK2, indeed from what I know, he is just completely into UMK3, so maybe your discussion is useless.


pierre

Hitting forward, down, forward, hk causes the fatality on the frame that the HK is pressed. There is no charging involved.

Charging during a jump appears to require about 5 or 6 frames of charging to set off the fatality. Very similar to her Sai.

And on a side note, wow, what a sad way to make a post. Its one thing if you think you have something to add but to make a first post in a discussion in such an inflamatory way instead of actually trying to discuss the topic is just plain juvenile.

Well, sheesh.

At least I don't flame people for trying to prove something that is completely ridiculous.

How the hell can the moves be fake? They fucking work for pete's sake.

At this point the moves don't even really matter. Its just a flame war. This thread just needs to be closed since it hasn't been an actual discussion about the topic for a while now. Just yelling and restating.

I guess so. Thanks a lot Chain.

i think Chain meant that if you press the HK in situations where the HK will not come out, like f,d,f,hk - HK will not come out because of the d, f move, but the game still thinks as it like the needed time/frame situation needed for fatal. So overall the whole point is that only one frame is needed for HK, and if that frame is performed while some neutral frames like d,f than this combination is fake. The simple example is on finish him try super deep jump kick that will miss but you'll see the animation of showing the kick, and then immidiately release the HK. She will do the fatality.