AWESOME!!! Can we see some screenshots?!?
What's a Fergality?

Wow that sucks.

Since I am posting this at work, I will post the screenshots tomorrow morning. Note that I only have screenshots of the sourcecode for MK2 showing Ermac, not actual screens of Ermac himself, but if I can do this, its only a matter of time.

hmmmm Midway often put things in to confuse people such as Kano and Sonya's names in the MK2 test settings....could just be more of the same...I am interested tho...post screengrabs please..

Very interesting indeed, but I'm sorry to say you've only found proof that Ermac's name was programmed in with the rest of the fighters if anything. Did you check and see if other charecter's names were included like Sonya and Kano? Ermac ain't in MKII

and someone explain the "Ermac Who?" thing for me, I haven't heard this yet.

I believe that "Ermac Who?" accompanied Jade's pre-match appearances sometimes (perhaps Noob and Smoke as well) .

WahooMRD Wrote: I believe that "Ermac Who?" accompanied Jade's pre-match appearances sometimes (perhaps Noob and Smoke as well) .

Yea i remember reading something about that. dang.

Well when midway arcade treasures 2 comes around, then I will definetly look for Ermac if he is in there!

Fergality??? That just sounds too funny to not be a joke.

Also I just gotta speak up and say that closing Gasstu thread's was just dumb if anyone but him closed it.

listen i saw a version of mk1 on computer that some guy said ermac was in the game i even saw a screenshot of him and liu kang on the pit stage. he put some name can't remember who, maybe ermac, but the character looked like jax. and come to find out he just created him on his game somehow

jlacroix Wrote: I have been lurking here for some time and I made a shocking discovery with the DOS version of MK2. Disclaimer: I am NOT making this up. I am willing to prove this and I will upon request. If requested I will post screenshots. Please DO NOT lock this, as that would be disrespectful without giving me a chance first. I am not going to ask anyone to do anything silly to unlock Ermac as a joke, I am only going to prove it and let everyone else make their own determination. Using a hex editor, I opened up MK2 on SNES and DOS. MK2 SNES: Ermac is nowhere to be found. I have looked everywhere in the code and he is NOT there. MK2 PC/DOS: Ermac is actualling in the binaries, listed with the rest of the characters!!! You can even see, listed with the other hidden characters under where it displays the name of the victor on the screen, "Ermac Wins". This is ONLY on the DOS version, and is possibly Arcade/DOS only. This is NOT on SNES and Genesis or any other home version. 1. Download a hex editor from the internet, take your pick. Open up MK2.exe with the hex editor. Click on "find" on the file menu, and type "ermac" press enter. 2. First thing you will see is "ermac who?!" we already know what that is. 3. Continue going down and you will see other information for Ermac. Interesting fact: There is a Fergality in the DOS version as well! Has anyone found it yet? If you open it in the hex editor you can see it in there. I will take screenshots tonight, if requested I will post them.

You should scan through that some more, they put lots of funny jokes in it. I forget the exact phrase but they even had something in the version I used to have that said "If you are reading this you have no life." I guess it was true.

CMETH Wrote: Also I just gotta speak up and say that closing Gasstu thread's was just dumb if anyone but him closed it.

Do you know why they closed it? I didn't break any rules did I? I said I didn't want to start a fight, but I bet MK2KungBroken would have started one anyway. He likes to think he is correct about everything.

It was closed because it should have been closed. A moderator did it and that is all. That action alone speaks for itself.

A Fergality was in MK2 for Genesis. Put on the Extra Codes, go to options, done, then hit L,D,L,R,D,R,L,L,R,R put on "Ooh Nasty" then play as Raiden. On the Armory kill your opponent and hit B,B,B start. It will turn the character into a smoking commando female with the head of a guy named Ferguson who was in the credits. If they put this in the DOS version of MK2, then that means the creators of the DOS version port were the same as the Genesis one.

"Ermac Who?" I have never seen, but it would be the same thing has "Hornbuckle Who?" which is a Jade phrase quote on SNES. Leann Hornbuckle is the in the credits. It is not a playable character, just like Ermac.

More jokes that get the better of a too many people. Although I am not disputing whether or not the text "Ermac" is in the code, this by no means proves that he is in the game, because according to some, "ERMAC DOES NOT EXIST" doesn't mean Ermac wasn't in the game. It wouldn't surprise me if this thread gets closed either if Ermac rederick begins again. Remember, when your opinion doesn't apply, it doesn't matter what your opinion is, because no opinions on this specific matter are subject to be given. Facts are facts. Deal with it.

"Illogical"
"Totally."

Matt

yes,that's a joke.the programmers always put funny jokes like that in the games.Ermac was an error in MK1,he wasn't a real character.i remember when i saw the "kano transformation" in the options of MK2 arcade machine,the "Cage transformation" in the menu of MK3 arcade,and for the fergality,it's only available in MK2 genesis version of the game.and the most i remember is when i heard people saying that he unlocked Sonya and Kano in MK2,if this were true,why there isn't a video of that????....hahahahaa,because it's not true!!!!....

good luck people!!!!....

What exists in code doesn't always mean something. On the PSX version of MKII, "Sega" and "Saturn" among other things are mentioned in the code. A Saturn to PSX port? Maybe. My point is that there's always things left behind in code, intentionally or not. Some of the clues Smoke and Jade give in MK2 can spark some debate if found in the code and not actually seen being said by them. For example, Jade says "CHUN WHO?" and "BRING ON KANO AND SONYA", and both Smoke and Jade say "ERMAC WHO?"

I know you e-mailed me twice about this, Jeremy, and I apologize for not replying. I've been meaning to. I appreciate your findings, but it's really nothing to get excited about.

By popular demand:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jeremy_lacroix/images/kombat.jpg

Try saving the image and opening it with an image viewer.

BTW, Ermac is listed with the rest of the characters win texts, so I don't think this is a mistake.

The code between SNES and DOS is EXACTLY the same, save for Ermac and the rest that you see in that screenshot.

I am very convinced that there are more hidden characters in the arcade version, and the DOS version seems to be a direct conversion so it would make sense if the DOS version is an indication of the arcade.

Ermac is NOT in MK1, I checked. There is nothing special in MK1 that hasn't been discovered already. Same with MK3. (Dos versions).

I am trying to find a source code extracter, maybe I can find out a way to unlock this stuff.

oh look! kano, sonya, and tanya are also in the game! along with the very competitive ed boon and the rest of the team! welp, that proves without a shadow of a doubt ermac is in the game. all you nay sayers, eat a bowl of dicks!!!!!

Jeremy: Everything's been found in MKII. Whatever's in the code that doesn't appear in the game is simply there to kick up dust, like it is now. This is another age-old topic that comes back around every now and again. I currently have no reason to close this thread because you're not making anything up and the code is obviously there, but take it from me and anyone who says likewise. That code doesn't mean anything. It's completely bogus. You're not the first to stumble across that, nor the last.

MENTHOL: Responses like that are uncalled for.

I don't believe everything has been found in MK2 for Arcade and DOS. I do agree that everything has been found in the console versions.

Here are my points:

1.) There is clearly a Fergality in the DOS version. Everyone thought this was Genesis only. Nobody has found the Fergality yet in the DOS version, as far as I know. This proves there is at least one thing undiscovered.

2.) Didn't the creators say Ermac was an error message? (Error Macro, or ERror MACro). This proves that to be a lie because, being a programmer, Macro Errors are not purposely coded in.

3.) If my knowledge is correct, the DOS version came out last. Before it came out everyone was confident that everything was discovered, meaning it was doomed before it was released. I could be wrong on this one.

4.) Almost all Midway Home conversions cut stuff out for home releases (SNES and Genesis) and it would make sense that Ermac was one of them.

5.) Why would this code be in the DOS version and not the others? Why would the creators "Add" it in AFTER the game was already finished? If you ask me, it didn't fit in the SNES version but a direct conversion of the arcade was made.

6.) When MK2 was released, the gaming community thought everything was found when Smoke and Jade was discovered. Then came the discovery of Noob Saibot a year later. Everyone thought everything was found. Then came pong. Why should it be any different now?

I make games as a hobby. (Check out www.tidesoft.org sometime) and I can tell you that almost everything Boon/Tobias say about programming their games is BS. They're hiding something.

I respect all of your opinions but I feel strongly about this. If you say that its impossible, no discoveries can be made.

Am I really not the first to do this? If not, why hasn't this been news yet? Thanks!

You're going to have to accept the fact that everything has been found in every incarnation of ever classic MK. Mark Trummel Wins? Sal Divita Wins? Ed Boon Wins? John Tobias Wins? Come on man stop already. You're beating a dead horse. If all those characters were in the game, the game size would be a lot bigger. It almost seems like you downloaded it, and someone hacked that shit in there. Did you buy it or download it?

Matt

Dude, I gave you the instructions on how to get that. If you don't believe me, download a hex editor (they are free) and open up your own copy of the game. Search the code, and you will see it.
Please don't accuse me of making this up if you don't want to try it yourself. It takes less than two minutes.

You haven't even considered my points. At least three times the community has said everything was discovered, just to discover something else.

I shown proof that Ermac is in the code, where's your proof everything has been found?

I know Tobias and such aren't in the game. But I bet Ermac is. At the very least this disproves the original theory. How can Ermac be a glitch, or a game mistake, if its in the code purposely? Do you think Boon/Tobias said "In the distant future, after the game is out, we are going to get a MACro ERror, so gee, let's put Ermac in the code because we can predict the future".

I am open to proof that Ermac is not in there, proof everything has been found, so if you have it, please supply it as I have supplied mine.

If you further disbelieve me, have a well known and respected member of this community that has the DOS version of MK2 open it up with a hex editor. I know several of you have it.

jlacroix Wrote: By popular demand: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jeremy_lacroix/images/kombat.jpg Try saving the image and opening it with an image viewer.

Interesting. I like how all non-existant characters' win text are grouped separate from all the real characters' win text.

an explanation that I have is that sometimes, game programmers want to include things in a game but they lack time and those things doesn't make it in time or are simply scrap.

An example is Belook in MKGold, the character model and everything was made, but he didn't make it. I'm pretty sure that if someone look the codes for MKGold he will find something like 'Belook win' for example.

I'm pretty sure that a bit before the release of MK2, the programmers had some models of Ermac and Tanya(maybe another female ninja) that they wanted to include but they were scrap for whatever reason.