Reptile's De-Evolution straight from MK:DA: Reptile's changing physical and mental state may be linked to his prolonged separation from his people. The longer he remains away from the Matriarch, the more he regresses to a more primal state. And we aren't insisting hes devolving, we know he is.

Well that's just weird...

I've never been involved in arguing about "what" reptile is or anything, I'm just wondering...

You say all that, but yet, MK:DA has a thing you buy in the krypt called "Reptile's De-Evolution" in which it states "The longer he remains away from the matriarch, the more he regresses to a more primal state." How do you explain that?

I am by no means flaming or trying to shoot you down. I'm just wondering what your thoughts on the actual game itself saying he's de-evolving and it's because the longer he stays away from the matriarch.
....you beat me to it, moch

Well...hard to not be around the Matriarch when your entire species is all but extinguished, and you believe yourself to be the last of your kind.

Think about it: We know of only two Raptors in the series: Reptile and Khameleon (I don't cound Chameleon in here, because he has no actual story). Everyone else in his species was killed, either by Raiden during the first war with Shinnok, or by Shao Khan in Mortal Kombat. And, this happened centuries ago. Very hard, if not impossible, for Reptile to keep his human form for that long after his species was wiped out.

The only way I could see that being true, is if Reptile used some kind of magic indiginous to his species to make Shao Khan the 'Matriarch' over him. Since Reptile didn't start 'de-volving' until after Shao Khan was defeated by Earth's warriors in MK3, that explination would make sense.

I can aquiesce to the fact that the Reptile we see in Deadly Alliance might be a devolved version of his old self, but the human-ninja form that we've seen in the first three games cannot be his 'true' form. I'm more inclined to believe that his form in MK4 is his true form, since Shao Khan was still presumed alive during the second war with Shinnok. Having been banished to the Netherealm, he decided that his human ninja persona wasn't necessary, anymore, and shluffed it off in favor for his true, reptilian, form, that what we see in the game.

I'm not completely refuting the 'de-volution' story. Rather, I'm just pointing out some of the inconsistencies in it. Reptile was always a reptilian creature. Maybe not the more-primitive version he was in MK:DA, but a repilian creature, nonetheless. He could take the guise of other people, not like Shang Tsung's morphing ability, but similar to a chameleon's ability to blend into his surroundings. His species is almost extinct, with the exception of Khameleon, so the Matriarch of his people is long dead. Unless he imprinted Shao Khan with the role of the new Matriarch, the only other explination is that Reptile was fooling us all with his 'de-volution', to make him look less imposing a less of a threat, so he could fulfill his destiny; mainly, that of becoming the Dragon King, which he did in his ending (which was confirmed to be real, by none other than Boon himself).

Just some food for thought, there, for you to chew on...

well yeah he didnt start de-volving until after shao kahns defeat in MK3. From what i can tell, since the separatoin from the Matriarch, he needs some kind of master or owner for him, and if he fails or loses that owner he goes even deeper into his primal insanity.

mochtroid-x Wrote: Reptile's De-Evolution straight from MK:DA: Reptile's changing physical and mental state may be linked to his prolonged separation from his people. The longer he remains away from the Matriarch, the more he regresses to a more primal state. And we aren't insisting hes devolving, we know he is.

Agreed, its on page 6 , row 4,last box to the right in extras Kontent. :.l

Just because ,I'm going to give this idea about Reptile's matriarch ,anything is possible ,anyone can decieve. Perhaps Shao Kahn was actually the matriarch. She may have taken a human-ish form and been masqerading as a man to protect her identity from her enemies. She was after the earthrealm to get revenge on whoever wiped out her species or to take back their true home.


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ummm....yeah.....

mochtroid-x Wrote: Reptile's De-Evolution straight from MK:DA: Reptile's changing physical and mental state may be linked to his prolonged separation from his people. The longer he remains away from the Matriarch, the more he regresses to a more primal state. And we aren't insisting hes devolving, we know he is.

You just proved my point, there. It says that it may be linked to his separation from the Matriarch, so for all we know, Reptile could be faking it. Not that I'm saying that it isn't possilbe. It most definitely is. I'm just saying that there are other explinations for it (like Reptile 'de-volving' in order to decieve everyone from learning of his true mission: namely, turning into the Dragon King. But, hey, that's just my theory).

Reptile isn't ashamed of who/what he is ,and doesn't need to hide his true self anymore.



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Yeah but your first post made it seem like you are denying the deevolving from ever taking place. Nothing says that Shao Kahn was the matriarch. Perhaps his de evolution takes time and started after MK3.

subzero961 Wrote: Perhaps his de evolution takes time and started after MK3.

Considering that Khameleon hasn't been around since her appearence in MKT, that could be a reason that he started to de-evolve. If she is the only female left in their species, then she has to be the Matriarch.

Jerrod Wrote: subzero961 Wrote: Perhaps his de evolution takes time and started after MK3. Considering that Khameleon hasn't been around since her appearence in MKT, that could be a reason that he started to de-evolve. If she is the only female left in their species, then she has to be the Matriarch.

Makes sense ,lets go with that.


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IMO i dont think that since shes the last female that makes her the matriarch. maybe it could be like bees or ants or something where they're all born as a certain kind of their species like queens, drones, workers, etc. but thats just me

Perhaps the matriarch is the Dragon King wich might explain why it needed to bond with Reptile at the end of DA. Anyone remember the Futerama where Ziodburg was more crustation-like around the mating season of his people?

scutter Wrote: Perhaps the matriarch is the Dragon King wich might explain why it needed to bond with Reptile at the end of DA.

"Dragon King" and "Matriarch" contradict each other; the title "king" is given to males, while when one lives in a "matriarchal" society, it's a female who rules. The onyl way what you said could work is if the Dragon King was, in fact, a queen, and I don't think that that's going to happen.

maybe his body has been changing in order to become the dragon king, it seems to have been completed, he couldn't have 3ft wings on a human body