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About Ermac
08/31/2014 09:00 PM EST
Why do some people/members say that, in the old timeline, they freed Cage, Sonya, Jax, Kitana and Kung Lao from Onaga's mind control, and throw that story around as if it's canon, when it's not?

This supposedly happened in MKD, but its sequel, MKA makes not mention of this. Cage and Sonya were some of the few characters in the game to get a biography, but that's not mentioned anywhere in their bios. Ermac, Jax, Kitana and Kung Lao didn't even get a bio. The MK team never stated it either.

Is it becuase the Ermac fans want to give Ermac some importance to their otherwise irrelevant role? Or am i missing something?
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08/31/2014 09:09 PM EST
Jax's bio in MKU mentions Liu Kang saving him from Onaga's control, so I would still consider Ermac's ending as cannon.
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RE: About Ermac
08/31/2014 09:10 PM EST
zerosebaz Wrote:
Jax's bio in MKU mentions Liu Kang saving him from Onaga's control, so I would still consider Ermac's ending as cannon.


Since when is Liu Kang the same person as Ermac?
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RE: About Ermac
08/31/2014 09:14 PM EST
diirecthit Wrote:
zerosebaz Wrote:
Jax's bio in MKU mentions Liu Kang saving him from Onaga's control, so I would still consider Ermac's ending as cannon.


Since when is Liu Kang the same person as Ermac?


They never were. But in Ermac's ending in MKD he fights the heroes while Liu Kang's spirit tries to release them from Onaga's control.
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RE: About Ermac
08/31/2014 09:14 PM EST
diirecthit Wrote:
Why do some people/members say that, in the old timeline, they freed Cage, Sonya, Jax, Kitana and Kung Lao from Onaga's mind control, and throw that story around as if it's canon, when it's not?

How do you know it isn't canonical? Other than the fact that no one flat-out says, "Oh, Ermac was there when Liu freed me from Onaga's control", there is nothing contradicting that the events unfolded in that manner. Ermac's ending in Deception was the only one in the entire game to touch on how the Earthrealm warriors were freed. Plus, as zerosebaz said, Jax's MKU bio confirms Liu being there when he was revived. Jax crediting Liu with helping him is correct, though Ermac facilitated the whole process.

This supposedly happened in MKD, but its sequel, MKA makes not mention of this. Cage and Sonya were some of the few characters in the game to get a biography, but that's not mentioned anywhere in their bios. Ermac, Jax, Kitana and Kung Lao didn't even get a bio. The MK team never stated it either.

Tons of things were never explained in Armageddon. The entire game was a rushed mess and it completely butchered the story. Characters who were dead (sometimes, for years) suddenly reappeared (Kintaro, Sheeva, Hsu Hao) with no real explanation, and the characters who had died during Deadly Alliance/Deception returned as if nothing had happened.

Since when is Liu Kang the same person as Ermac?

Don't be dense. They were working together in Ermac's ending. Ermac kept the enslaved heroes occupied while Ghost Liu Kang freed them, one-by-one, mentally. Ergo, Ermac assisted Liu in freeing the Earthrealm warriors.
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RE: About Ermac
08/31/2014 09:15 PM EST
diirecthit Wrote:
zerosebaz Wrote:
Jax's bio in MKU mentions Liu Kang saving him from Onaga's control, so I would still consider Ermac's ending as cannon.


Since when is Liu Kang the same person as Ermac?


Liu Kang was the one who removed Onaga's mind control from them while Ermac held the others back.



And since Jax mentions Liu Kang saving him from Onaga's mind control, and that is exactly what Liu Kang is doing in Ermac's ending, there's enough proof towards this being canon.

If you won't believe it is canon, then don't. But that is what most of us believe.

Also, this is the wrong part of the forum to post this thread, as it has absolutely nothing to do with MKX.
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RE: About Ermac
08/31/2014 09:26 PM EST
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How do you know it isn't canonical? Other than the fact that no one flat-out says, "Oh, Ermac freed me from Onaga's control", there is nothing contradicting that the events unfolded in that manner. Ermac's ending in Deception was the only one in the entire game to touch on how the Earthrealm warriors were freed. Plus, as zerosebaz said, Jax's MKU bio confirms Liu being there when he was revived. Jax crediting Liu with helping him is correct, though Ermac facilitated the whole process.


Because it's not canonical unless stated or confirmed otherwise. Unless you believe Jade's ending in MK9 is canonical, or Mileena's. They are not unless proved otherwise. It's common sense.

And YOU don't be dense. Even if that MKD ending was canonical, i don't see why the Ermac fans and the like say they freed the heroes from mind control, when it was Liu Kang who did.
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RE: About Ermac
08/31/2014 09:31 PM EST
diirecthit Wrote:
Rockchalk5477 Wrote:
How do you know it isn't canonical? Other than the fact that no one flat-out says, "Oh, Ermac freed me from Onaga's control", there is nothing contradicting that the events unfolded in that manner. Ermac's ending in Deception was the only one in the entire game to touch on how the Earthrealm warriors were freed. Plus, as zerosebaz said, Jax's MKU bio confirms Liu being there when he was revived. Jax crediting Liu with helping him is correct, though Ermac facilitated the whole process.


Because it's not canonical unless stated or confirmed otherwise. Unless you believe Jade's ending in MK9 is canonical, or Mileena's. They are not unless proved otherwise. It's common sense.

And YOU don't be dense. Even if that MKD ending was canonical, i don't see why the Ermac fans and the like say they freed the heroes from mind control, when it was Liu Kang who did.


I disagree. It is canonical unless it is stated otherwise, or contradicts the story. Jade's and Millena's endings in MK9 both start with the premise of them beating Shao Khan and directly contradict the storymode, so it is clear to say they are not, is not a comparable situation.

Oh, and I never heard a Ermac fan saying that, most of us know the story.
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RE: About Ermac
08/31/2014 09:32 PM EST
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Because it's not canonical unless stated or confirmed otherwise. Unless you believe Jade's ending in MK9 is canonical, or Sheeva's. They are not unless proved otherwise. It's common sense.
And YOU don't be dense. Even if that MKD ending was canonical, i don't see why the Ermac fans and the like say they freed the heroes from mind control, when it was Liu Kang who did.

It sounds like you're just annoyed that people mis-attribute Ermac freeing the heroes in Deception. (Plus, you seem to dislike Ermac, anyway.) Just because people may incorrectly summarize it, that means that you must discredit the whole thing?
Like I said, there isn't anything confirming that Ermac's ending isn't correct. No other ending contradicts that series of events. Unless it's proven otherwise, it's (almost always) true.
If you really need for somebody to flat-out state everything that happened in the last game to the most minute detail, that's your problem.
MKU's Jax bio confirms Liu was there, and Liu was working with Ermac in Ermac's Deception ending. No contradictory information.
Ergo, it's completely fair to assume Ermac was present and helping Liu. Otherwise, Liu might not have been able to free them if they weren't distracted by Ermac. Why would Ermac even be there if Liu didn't need his help whatsoever?
diirecthit Wrote:Jax explicitly states in his MKU bio that he's freed from Onaga's mind control thanks to Liu Kang, so i don't see what my disliking for Ermac has to do with this thread. I mean, i can say the same about you, trying to prove that the ending is canonical (with no proof) just because you like them.
Wow. Talk about pulling stuff out of thin air. Who ever said that I liked Ermac? (Honestly, I don't really care much about him.)
It's obvious, though, that your blatant dislike of the character causes you to try and discredit his Deception ending, wherein he did help Liu Kang.
Again, it sounds like you've read some posts from people who don't know much about the storyline and now you're trying to cast doubt on the whole ending because of poorly-informed fan misinterpretation.
We all know Liu was the one to free the heroes; Ermac, however, assisted him. End of story.
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RE: About Ermac
08/31/2014 09:54 PM EST
Jax explicitly states in his MKU bio that he's freed from Onaga's mind control thanks to Liu Kang, so i don't see what my disliking for Ermac has to do with this thread. I mean, i can say the same about you, trying to prove that the ending is canonical (with no proof) just because you like them.
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RE: About Ermac
08/31/2014 10:05 PM EST
diirecthit Wrote:
Jax explicitly states in his MKU bio that he's freed from Onaga's mind control thanks to Liu Kang, so i don't see what my disliking for Ermac has to do with this thread. I mean, i can say the same about you, trying to prove that the ending is canonical (with no proof) just because you like them.


And again I disagree. Everything is canon unless it contradicts the story from that same game, contradicts the story of the following games or it is explicitly stated not to be.
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RE: About Ermac
08/31/2014 10:13 PM EST
diirecthit Wrote:
Because it's not canonical unless stated or confirmed otherwise.

Back when MKO use to hold fight nights, there were a lot of questions regarding the nature of endings and the canon. The developer's go-to response was always "if it's not contradicted by the main story, then the ending is canon." That was mostly in regards to Nightwolf and Shujinko's ending when they said that, but Ermac's scenario fits the description.

(Granted, the developers also used that point about Shaolin Monks, and... well, lol)

Here's what we know for sure: Ermac and Liu Kang were a team, and Liu Kang was the one who removed Onaga's spell from the warriors. Even if we didn't have Ermac's ending to go off of, all the data tells us that Ermac would have been at least present when the disenchantment happened.

That only way one can rationalize that the ending didn't happen is if Ermac and Liu Kang somehow got separated. From a metaphysical standpoint, that seems unlikely, and if the developers had anything like that in mind, one may ask "why didn't they mention that?" Maybe it didn't fit any of the other ending concepts, but I think the more likely scenario is that they didn't have anything like that in mind. To them, Ermac's ending was probably suppose to be the final word on that plot point.
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RE: About Ermac
09/01/2014 02:12 PM EST
Not sure what all the hubbub is over a pretty straightforward topic.

Ermac's Deception bio and ending are canon. He does not free their souls, but wards Jax, Cage, et al. off while Liu Kang freed the souls. Nowhere has it ever said otherwise.

Only 17 characters got bios in Armageddon because the developers sat on their asses.
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RE: About Ermac
09/01/2014 08:42 PM EST
SwingBatta Wrote:
Only 17 characters got bios in Armageddon because the developers sat on their asses.


MKA was also incredibly rushed because of Midway, from what I know.
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RE: About Ermac
09/02/2014 06:26 AM EST
diirecthit Wrote:
Jax explicitly states in his MKU bio that he's freed from Onaga's mind control thanks to Liu Kang, so i don't see what my disliking for Ermac has to do with this thread. I mean, i can say the same about you, trying to prove that the ending is canonical (with no proof) just because you like them.


The truth of the matter is that there is no proof that it is not canonical. Seems like your just trying to stir up controversy because of your dislike for Ermac.
Plus the fact of the matter is that this is all irrelevant considering the time jump. Who know what will be canon in MKX?
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RE: About Ermac
09/02/2014 09:34 AM EST
Notice how he stopped paying attention to this thread as soon it was moved away from the MKX forum... XD
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RE: About Ermac
09/02/2014 04:56 PM EST
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The truth of the matter is that there is no proof that it is not canonical. Seems like your just trying to stir up controversy because of your dislike for Ermac.


Seriously.
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