Jade didn't defeat Kitana twice. She managed to throw Kitana into a cell and held her off for a few minutes. That's hardly "defeating" her.
Now if Jade and Kitana were to really go at it, like you said it's debatable. Jade being focused on fighting is a good point since Kitana now has now grown into more of a diplomat and leader and doesn't focus on actual combat as much anymore. But in a way, that could allow her to outsmart Jade.
I'm hesitent about Sindel. How do we know Sindel has thousands of years of experience? Was she a warrior her whole life or were her fighting skills a part of her resurrection? The extent of Sindel's skills is up in the air for me.
Now in Deception we see Mileena using some cunning, so now she may prove be a better match for Kitana.
Sorry, but I don't see Sonya beating Kitana or Jade. I don't really buy into the "one of Earth's chosen" thing being much of a factor.
But this debate should probably be contained in the "Strongest woman" thread now.

Like the ending but I think that Kitana should be send out by Onaga to kill Kahn if she is still under his control if not just let Sindel and her kill both Mileena and Kahn after she is freed.

I think Mileena and Kitana should form a alliance. I made a post about this but i cant find it. The short version is that Kitana and Mileena are fighting, and Sindel gets them to ally. Kitana stays princess. and Mileena becomes her enforcer and general. The two then kill Shao Kahn. I dont think the Kitana-Mileena rivalry needs to end in either of the characters death. They're lives were both ruined by Shao Kahn, who wasn't a good father to eithee of the two

Good idea, but Mileena would probably feel inferior as the princess' general. She clearly said it in MK Gold:
"I want your status, I want to be princess of Edenia."
If Mileena was to strike an alliance with Kitana, this would be to backstab her later, and Kitana would suspect treason from Mileena.
By the way *speaks to everyone* have you read "Kitana's Redemption" ?
It was written by XiahouDun84. I think there's a link to it in XD84's sig. If you have read it, give me your impressions. I LOVED it. I remember everytime there was a new chapter I would buy lots of beer and spend the evening reading it..

I guess you have a point. Dammit, why does Mileena have to be so...bitchy. I meam ,she's like a annoying little sister that wants everything her older sister wants. Why cant she forge her own path instead of trying to be Kitana. I myself am a younger brother, can understand how she feels, but i think Mileena should be following her own path, not try to take Kitana's. I dont think Kitana or Mileena should have to die

Kudos to Midway if both survive.
Both have potential, but the easy way would be to kill Mileena.

As I explained in the Mileena thread a week or so back, I think Mileena should find herself drawn into the battle between Kitana/Sindel and Shao Kahn. Forced to choose between helping her hated "sister" or becoming her father's slave again.
During the battle, Mileena finally realizes Kitana is not the source of all her problems and finally lets go of her hatred.
However afterward, I don't think Kitana and Mileena should suddenly become best friends. I think once Mileena finally lets go, they should simply go their separate ways...Kitana back to Edenia while Mileena remains in Outworld to form a new life and purpose for herself.

You could not have misplaced Mileena more. From all the females. if she were the angry little princess, than she would ravel in her conquest. But what do we have instead of that? She rallies Bo' Rai Cho's troops against his allies as soon as she could evaluate the situation. Macchiavellian.
Mileena cares little less to Kitana, she took her belonging and place, masquarades as her, true, but she runs a force she is in controll now. A maniacal and homicidal murderer cannot do that. And even more...
I wonder why people came up with the insecurity problem Mileena would have. Bullshit. If she would wallow in self-pity, then she would not have been trained or conditioned as an assassin. We at baranta are trained to develop several traits that keep us thinking only about battle / training and not about distracting thoughts. Distraction means being weak.
-> Mileena never had insecurity problems and I doubt that in Outworld a malformed face would mean much, hell, even as malformed as Mileena, Kitana may hav been fed or experienced that to be perfectly normal for a twin.
I am tending to think that it is not Mileena who supplements Kitanas stale plot, but otherwise, Kitana is dependant on Mileena, or at least was thro-ugh MK2-UMK3-MK4 Gold. But MK4 had to ruin Kitana, so she fell out of my favors.

It still does not shake off my belief that her sudden autonomy emancipated her from Kitanas stagnant plot. I mean, Kitana has no driving angle or a decent long term goal since Trilogy. She reacted to Shinnoks invasion, ok. She reacted to Kangs death, -would have left him to rot- OK, but...
she was taken as the slave of the DK. Will this have any long term motivation for her? If she turns out to be a flat character meaning her personality or action will not change, I will give up on her and...
wait a second, didn't I already give up on her? ..
you get the point, wether she was or not a supporting character, from kitanas advancement in terms of character, it is irrelevant.

Its very relevant that Mileena supports Kitana.
Kitana has other thigns going on. Mileena is a mere hindrence to her through her constant reappearance. mileena gives Kitana extras in the storyline department- rivalry and backstory. Yet, without Mileena, Kitana still has a solid storyline.
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Mk3/UMK3/MKT:-
Kitana: Fighting With Earths fighters against Kahn, trying to reach Sindel.
Mileena: Ressurected by Kahn, and After Kitana.
MK4/MKGold:-
Kitana: Captured, Escapes, Fights with Earths Warriors with a view of saving Edenia.
Mileena: Ressurected by Shinnok, ends up going after Kitana.
MKDA:-
Kitana: Involved in the Shokan-Edenia Alliance, leading army against Evil.
Mileena: Out of sight, out of mind.
MKD:-
Kitana: Either dead, or under Onaga's spell. or both.
Mileena: Trying to be Kitana.
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Mileena has failed to stand up as her own character. Her plotline constantly revolves around Kitana, even when Kitana was not in MKD, her story was all about her.
Kitana on the other hand, has had other things to do and/or deal with. her focus was resotring her Mother, then her realm, and in general, stopping evil.
Edenia got restored, and now she fights to keep it out of the hands of evil. Thats her main goal, Same as most of the resident good guys. Mileena will always be about Kitana (and to an extent Baraka). Time she put Kitana out of her mind completely, or joined her somehow. And I'd love to see her EAT Baraka..... I just think that's something she'd do lol.
And who's to say Kitana's actions under Onaga's control wont affect her? Noone can say either way. Given her past however, IMO it will probably have some effect.
I find Kitana's story interesting and progressive, yet it does lack a certain spark. I really hope the MKD storyline's events gives her the boost she needs.
Maybe, as lots of people have suggested, Kitana could kill Sindel. This might proove interesting. But in the end I see Kitana becoming good again, and also ending up Queen of Edenia. Maybe Sindel would sacrifice herself to save Kitana. Who knows.

Well, I gotta say that danadbab and MKKitana summed it up pretty nicely.
Chrome, how does Kitana not have a long term goal after MKT? With Shao Kahn defeated and Edenia separated from Outworld, she started to truly become the princess she is now, being a diplomatic figure and trying to really turn her life around for the better.
Regarding Mileena, I don't think it's the face that she's really upset about but really Kahn's favoritism of Kitana over Mileena. Basically, Mileena felt like she was Kitana's shadow.
I think your lack of understanding some of the characters and their stories comes from not looking into things as deeply as you should. Maybe if you actually did, you'd understand it more.

Don't take this the wrong way but we never really agree on anything MK, anything, preferences in characters, storyline, design, we're opposites. But I have to agree with what you just said. First, what you say about Mileena not having insecurity issues is very plausable, considering her appearence and personality in MKD, her coyness, her twirls and laughs and playfulness. She seems very comfortable in it.
Kitana depending on Mileena over the last decade is like a missed truth. Its pretty clear now, but I've never noticed it really. It does seem that way.
And guys, he didn't say MKDA, MKDA for me is when Kitana after 9 years of torterous bad costumes and story began to claw her way back with a beautiful new design, an intriguing new story and the most incredibly designed fans she ever had. Kitana's not out of the woods yet, she's got a huge climb to get back to her WOW factor she had in MK2 but MKDA was a start. Thankfully, lets hope she fights better in Armageddon....and learns how to run properly.

Wether or not, suffice to say that Mileena can do independently from Kitana
..as it should be for the better I presume.
Concerning Kitana...it is allright to set her life in the right line, but I was thinking about something that involvs an active role, not just reactory sta-ging. I mean, she could actually DO and INITIATE something.

Sure, she reacted to the deaths of Goro (who of course isn't really dead) and Liu Kang, but you still don't get it. After MKT, she actually took on her role as Princess of Edenia. She helped bring peace between the Shokan and Centaur people and gained Goro and the Shokan as allies against Shao Kahn's forces. In MKDA, she of course was sad about Liu Kang's death and all, but her story involved more than that. She, along with Kung Lao, went to get training from Bo' Rai Cho so that they can be prepared against the Deadly Alliance. So to sum it all up, she actually has done some things so I don't know where the hell you're coming from.

The problem with Kitana is that there is no overall progress, at all, let me elaborate with this:
Chrome has a point with what he is saying and I agree with his and Keiths views on the Mileena-Kitana subject.
I too have always believed (like I have mentioned before) that its thanks to Mileena that the entire Edenian storyline hasn’t gone down the toilet yet. She has a very obvious spark that keeps things interesting. The conflict she causes is strong enough to maintain the entire “edenian club” alive.
Like Chrome said, Mileena can survive without any of the others even if her story has relied on Kitana through most games, actually, having the potential she has as a character who has relied on someone else adds many extra points to her overall value as a character with actual power. Anyone who can maintain such potential as a “supporting” character has what it takes to stand up alone.
Mileena seems to be in constant progress, but Kitana (same as Jade, Tanya and even Sindel (not counting Mk3 for Sindel though)) is still stuck in the same place as ever.

**And with this (*****I had to post in separete posts, for some reason the site wont accept big posts, whats wrong with mko??****)
Everyone has done some important things in Mk, but not everyone has kept the “spark” that helps the story progress, instead, it either goes back to the very same thing, or is stuck in the middle of the same stale plot, and thats the problem with Kitana, same with almost all the classics and my faves like Sonya, Sindel, Cage, Tsung, Shao Kahn, Rayden, etc.
So whats the problem? Kitana keeps going around in circles. If not worrying about Mileena, its about Edenia, and the problem is that her goals are always destroyed because something has to go wrong. Theres no progress, at all. If she could focus on something else then there might be a chance to see some innovation and progress, if not, she is just trapped.
What Chrome says is perfectly true, she has obviously done a lot of things through the story, but its all just a dead spark, because those actions have always lead her character back to that stale repetitive hole. So, like her, everyone has done great things through the entire story of the game, so there isn’t really anything special about that particular aspect, the difference is that some characters have actually managed to maintain the unique spark that keeps the story in progress and not in a constant "game" of going up and down, back and forward and back again, constantly.
So why theres no progress in Kitanas story? The answer is easy: no matter how much perseverance she has, she is always stuck in the same repetitive hole. Theres just no progress. It’s the same thing and problems over and over again.

I think the renders are ace but u need to work on her legs there a bit too manly!
I like the Hair but wasn't she supposed to ave it cut like Mileenas in MKD?
I hope she goes back to havin it long n not in a a ponytail.. Make her more princess like!!

The thing with Kitana's story is that it needs to change...as all stories need to change and evolve with time.
MK2 and MK3, was "Kitana the rebel." Turning against Kahn...freeing Edenia from him. That was cool and ran its course. MK4 and MK:DA was "Kitana the Princess." Trying to defend/protect Edenia from evil. That was fun...but it's over now.
BTW Chrome...you're wrong about Kitana being strictly reactive and never pro-active. She led the pre-emptive strike against Kahn's forces before he could even fight back. That's fairly pro-active, IMO.
As I stated in my first post....and other posts for that matter...the "Princess" act has gone as far as it can go. Edenia's been freed and restored. Kitana needs to evolve or retire. Since Armageddon is claiming to wrap up loose ends and be the end of this era....I'm favoring retirement. And yes, being under Onaga's spell SHOULD have an affect on Kitana. Most should know I never shut-up about THAT.
Hopefully, with Kitana in Unchained we may see an interesting developement.
I disagree that Kitana needs Mileena to be relevent. While their rivalry adds a pleasent spice to her story, Mileena has never been Kitana's goal. Mileena has always been the one to attack her. Kitana's goals are restoring Edenia and redeeming herself. Mileena is not a factor in either. Which is why I'm very much against Kitana being limited to merely fighting Mileena if this is her last game.
Now who can keep going in future games, I say Mileena has the better chance.
Going back to what I said about Kitana's goals....they already have or are almost achieved. If Kitana is to return in the next game, they'd need to think of whole new motivations and goals for her....otherwise it would probably just be the villain invading Edenia for some contrived reason and Kitana doing the "Edenia's defender" act again. This is why I'm favoring retirement. Edenia's free and Shao Kahn is most likely going to die one way or another. I'd rather Kitana retire gracefully than be forced into new games where she's not needed.
No one likes that....Scorpion....Johnny Cage....
As for Mileena, she has a better chance of continuing on BECAUSE her story has always relied on Kitana. If she were to finally get over that hatred...which I think she should....you're left with the immediate question of: what will she do next? Getting over Kitana opens a whole new door of problems and conflicts for Mileena to deal with. Would she escape Kitana's shadow? Would she get her face fixed? Would she turn good? Would she stay evil?
All that, plus the question of where she'd fit in the main plot of the next game.
Point is, as of now, Kitana's story is in a good position to end with good closure. Mileena's is ready to move on.
It is possible for Kitana's story to continue. In my previous story ideas, I always played the idea of something catostrophic happening to Edenia or Kitana herself that makes her renounce her title as Princess....thus freeing her from that monotonous routine. It'd be interesting if Kitana's life changes were always traumatic. She was Shao Kahn's daughter....that life was destroyed. She remade herself into Edenia's Princess....if that life goes down the toilet, where would she go and what would she do?
There is still a lot of untapped potential in Kitana's character and her story(Lord knows I made up plenty of shit in fan fic that hasn't been addressed)....but it'll be hard to explore that potential as long as they continue to tie her down to Edenia.
I remember not too long ago I suggest something Kitana should do and someone responded with "That's be cool...but Kitana should be protecting Edenia because she's the Princess."
That's not a good thing.

The problem there is, as I alluded to, they've written Kitana into a corner by making her Edenia's primary defender and giving her an authority title. As Princess, Edenia has become her responsibity. Like I said, it's gotten to be anything that happens to Edenia must be Kitana's problem. She now suffers the "Maid Syndrome"....she keeps cleaning the room and it only gets dirty again. She can save Edenia from Shinnok....then Onaga storms in. Onaga's gone....Mileena or Tanya jump in.
This not only limits Kitana....but hurts Jade as well, who you'd think would be in charge of Edenia's defences.

I just really want Kitana back. My Kitana that was just a bad-ass player, the Kitana that made me like MK in the first place and not the weaker version of her like in MKDA...

I agree with Chrome when it comes to Mileena's issues.
In Konquest she said: Shao kahn sent US the Tarkatans
And in her training she also says:
Do not underestimate me because I'm beautiful.
Mileena never stated that she was ashamed of her face in any MK game.
As for my reply to the latest posts, XDun84 spoke my mind.

I felt that I had to post this Kitana's new outfit that was done by Nefrit:
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/8097/fanart234kj.jpg
Just awsome job
by Nefrit

XiahouDun84 Wrote: One thing I think she could do....is stab the victim with a closed fan, then open it while it's in the guys' stomach. She then tears the fan out, spilling the guy's guts out with it. Or she could do that with the victims face or something.

XiahouDun84 the above part is mine I posted it long time ago with detailed pictures that I've drawn.

Not tessen is able to do that btw, unless Kitana has some pretty thick muscled thumbs.