Jerrod Wrote: I'll buy it anyway, as long as it's on the GC.

Sucks for you.

EGM has been like this for years so no suprise here. Not just with MK games either. I stopped reading them completely about 3 years ago.

To an above post.. I don't trust IGN anymore than I do EGM. They are well known for bashing anything that is not an already accomplished franchise. For instance, DBZ Budokai 2. In no way at all was, or will it probably ever be a great fighting game, however when previewing the game the guy (can't remember his name) COMPLETELY bashed the game. After his bashing said in his own words he played the game maybe a total of 5 minutes. I don't care what game it is, you can't offer a accurate review from 5 minutes of playing. The webmaster at IGN forced the reviewer to issue a formal apology for it as well. Just because it's not a Tekken doesn't mean it's not a decent game. Worth $50? Probably not, but it's not like it was the worst game of all time as this reviewer made it out to be.

So yeah... point being IGN to me is no better than EGM.

ImmortalKombatant Wrote: I dont know why ANY of you guys are surprised.. EGM has never liked Mortal Kombat after part 2, and has always had something negative to say about it. But for some reason, no matter how garbage a TEKKEN sequel is, it seems to get decent scores...

Tekken 4 didnt get good reviews anywhere. Of course no one probably read what i said if you listen to twistedspine (sorry you dont agree with me man.) the only reason i listen to what they said bout MKD is because they metioned a flaw that i hope boon fixes. i want a good game from mortal kombat.

you should go to egm's boards..cause they cant see you kissing their ass from here.

mkd didnt have sluggish controls at e3. i cant beleive you actually listen to those fucktards. i played mkd at e3. m4c played mkd at e3, as well as most of the staff that went..and staff at other mk sites. no one said anything about characters being sluggish.

egm is the only..i repeat the only game mag to say this..and yet you swear by it.

egm looks for flaws in certin games and tries their best to dwell on just that one thing...unless its one of their fanboy games..than they do everything but make love to it (which they probably do after writing their reviews).

have you played mkd? didnt think so, otherwise you would be on my side of the fence. you are going by what some jerkoff said in a magazine, rather than actually playing the game yourself...so, you cant even begin to agree with what they said about mkd, cause you dont even know what youre talking about to begin with.

and i wasnt bitching because they didnt give mkda good scores, im bitchin about the reason they give it bad scores.."same old game i got tired of years ago"..give me a fuckin break. nothing about mkda was the same as past mk's. that dick probably didnt even play the game.

ill stop "kissing egm's ass" as soon as people like you stop kissing boons and midways ass. you know, i didnt play mkd. but i did play mkda, and found it very poor. now just because i dont like it doesnt mean i hate mk. i put up with people like you just to get my opinion here hoping some people will agree that mk needs improvment. some do, and i say to those people thank you for trying to make mk better. but some will eat up what ever midway hands to them, and some of those people need to play other fighting games and see where mk stands today. i want mk to be better because i love its story, characters, and atmosphere. it also has a good idea with the multiteir levels, death traps, and hand and weapon fighting. but it needs a fighting engine to pull it off. if mkd is awsome and catches me by suprise, then i will kick myself in the ass for doubting it. but i was hyped for MKDA and ended up dissapointed, and looking at videos of MKD it looks the same.

SonOf100Maniacs Wrote: ill stop "kissing egm's ass" as soon as people like you stop kissing boons and midways ass. you know, i didnt play mkd. but i did play mkda, and found it very poor. now just because i dont like it doesnt mean i hate mk. i put up with people like you just to get my opinion here hoping some people will agree that mk needs improvment. some do, and i say to those people thank you for trying to make mk better. but some will eat up what ever midway hands to them, and some of those people need to play other fighting games and see where mk stands today. i want mk to be better because i love its story, characters, and atmosphere. it also has a good idea with the multiteir levels, death traps, and hand and weapon fighting. but it needs a fighting engine to pull it off. if mkd is awsome and catches me by suprise, then i will kick myself in the ass for doubting it. but i was hyped for MKDA and ended up dissapointed, and looking at videos of MKD it looks the same.

Amen.

SonOf100Maniacs Wrote: ill stop "kissing egm's ass" as soon as people like you stop kissing boons and midways ass. you know, i didnt play mkd. but i did play mkda, and found it very poor. now just because i dont like it doesnt mean i hate mk. i put up with people like you just to get my opinion here hoping some people will agree that mk needs improvment. some do, and i say to those people thank you for trying to make mk better. but some will eat up what ever midway hands to them, and some of those people need to play other fighting games and see where mk stands today. i want mk to be better because i love its story, characters, and atmosphere. it also has a good idea with the multiteir levels, death traps, and hand and weapon fighting. but it needs a fighting engine to pull it off. if mkd is awsome and catches me by suprise, then i will kick myself in the ass for doubting it. but i was hyped for MKDA and ended up dissapointed, and looking at videos of MKD it looks the same.

You know stuff like this is getting really old. It's one thing to post something constructive you would like to see done in MK and it's another to say anyone here kisses Ed Boon's ass no matter what he gives us. Ummm Hello... UMK3 was made purely out of fans complaints. MK4 is regarded by most to be the low point of the series, so what does Boon do? He creates an entirely new system for MK:DA. MK:DA is leaps and bounds over MK4. And all that for what? So you people can say oh yeah it's MK but it needs more VF? SC? Tekken?

The major complaint after MK:DA was no stage fatalities, low number of combos, and one fatality per character. All of that has been fixed with MK:D and now this crap comes up.

Ok since we are going to play it this way I want you to look at it like this. What advancements were made in Tekken between part 3 and part 4? Graphics? What about VF? A couple moves and graphics again? Now look at the difference between MK4 and MK:DA. Much better now isn't it? And MK:D has far surpassed MK:DA. Many more advancements have been made than anything you will see in between Tekken 4 and 5.

Does any of this matter to you? Nope. We are just ass kissers right? It's amazing Boon even does listen to us. All the work they do to try and make an enjoyable game for the fans and you spit in his face with this "It needs to be more like VF" crap. They are still using a relativly new engine where as Tekken and VF have been using the same thing since day one. Give it some friggin time.

I don't mean to start flame wars in here or anything but I'm really sick of people calling me a fanboy or whatever else because I appreciate what Boon is trying to do for US. Do things need tweaking? Yes. Do I expect the fight engine to be perfected on the 2nd try? No.

If you have something constructive to post then post it. But don't call me or anybody else on here a fanboy that kisses Boon's ass just because we appreciate the effort he puts into making a game for us.

Sorry if I offend anyone with this post.



Rant is over, back on topic...

EGM really is no different. "Same boring game I got tired of years ago"? Get real. As stated above, MK:DA is light years ahead of MK4. It was anything but the "Same old MK". And I welcomed the change. This is why when I write a review for something I prefer to look at how it compares not only to current games in the market, but it's predecessors. Ok, so MK:DA doesn't have the fluid controls of VF, or the depth of DOA. But, look at what they had to work with (MK4) and what they created (MK:DA). That's a big advancement, atleast to me anyway. And MK has other redeeming qualaties as well.

Take for instance the story. Best story in any fighting game in history, bar none. Likeable characters that all have a purpose for doing what they do. Fatalities. They are not everything, but it's something that no other game out there (right now) has going for it. Special moves. Most fighters now a days are all combos. I'm old school, I like the fireball's and spear throwing.

All in all, to me, I could care less what EGM says about MK. I like the way MK:DA was set up and have been looking forward to seeing it advance in MK:D. And it will advance, in both gameplay and story. Maybe not as much as some of you would like... but you can't please everyone all the time.

GrinningEvilDeath: Yeah, I quoted the article word for word.

Sonof100maniacs: I'm not pissed because the previewer didn't like the game. Fine, that's his prerogative. My issue is the language of the coverage. Go back and read my first post. To me it seems, the previewer not only didn't like the game, he didn't WANT to like it. If you look at EGM's over the last six months, you'll find that trend.

1) They'd rather put MGS3 on the cover to show that, oh wow, you can change Snake's colors!! yippee!! Oh, but they did introduce MK:D in this same issue, it was a small blurb somewhere in the middle with severely outdated news.
2) They've had large stories on games such as The Getaway and Driv3r...WHO CARES? They've had multiple stories on Halo2, Killzone, Final Fantasy XI, etc etc, but not on MK. NOT ONE.
3) But the clincher for me is: For being one of the most popular game series of all time, with it's prequel MK:DA selling 3 million copies, and the series grossing over a BILLION dollars, you'd think that EGM would cater to such a large fan base and put the game on the cover once, or at least have a more in depth preview. But no. Two tiny previews are it, and one of them was that piece of crap I posted earlier.

Honestly, a lot of other games get much more preview time. If MK:DA had flopped, I'd kinda understand, but honestly, does this seem fair to you? The lack of coverage? The language?

JadeDragonMeli Wrote: SonOf100Maniacs Wrote: ill stop "kissing egm's ass" as soon as people like you stop kissing boons and midways ass. you know, i didnt play mkd. but i did play mkda, and found it very poor. now just because i dont like it doesnt mean i hate mk. i put up with people like you just to get my opinion here hoping some people will agree that mk needs improvment. some do, and i say to those people thank you for trying to make mk better. but some will eat up what ever midway hands to them, and some of those people need to play other fighting games and see where mk stands today. i want mk to be better because i love its story, characters, and atmosphere. it also has a good idea with the multiteir levels, death traps, and hand and weapon fighting. but it needs a fighting engine to pull it off. if mkd is awsome and catches me by suprise, then i will kick myself in the ass for doubting it. but i was hyped for MKDA and ended up dissapointed, and looking at videos of MKD it looks the same. You know stuff like this is getting really old. It's one thing to post something constructive you would like to see done in MK and it's another to say anyone here kisses Ed Boon's ass no matter what he gives us. Ummm Hello... UMK3 was made purely out of fans complaints. MK4 is regarded by most to be the low point of the series, so what does Boon do? He creates an entirely new system for MK:DA. MK:DA is leaps and bounds over MK4. And all that for what? So you people can say oh yeah it's MK but it needs more VF? SC? Tekken? The major complaint after MK:DA was no stage fatalities, low number of combos, and one fatality per character. All of that has been fixed with MK:D and now this crap comes up. Ok since we are going to play it this way I want you to look at it like this. What advancements were made in Tekken between part 3 and part 4? Graphics? What about VF? A couple moves and graphics again? Now look at the difference between MK4 and MK:DA. Much better now isn't it? And MK:D has far surpassed MK:DA. Many more advancements have been made than anything you will see in between Tekken 4 and 5. Does any of this matter to you? Nope. We are just ass kissers right? It's amazing Boon even does listen to us. All the work they do to try and make an enjoyable game for the fans and you spit in his face with this "It needs to be more like VF" crap. They are still using a relativly new engine where as Tekken and VF have been using the same thing since day one. Give it some friggin time. I don't mean to start flame wars in here or anything but I'm really sick of people calling me a fanboy or whatever else because I appreciate what Boon is trying to do for US. Do things need tweaking? Yes. Do I expect the fight engine to be perfected on the 2nd try? No. If you have something constructive to post then post it. But don't call me or anybody else on here a fanboy that kisses Boon's ass just because we appreciate the effort he puts into making a game for us. Sorry if I offend anyone with this post. Rant is over, back on topic... EGM really is no different. "Same boring game I got tired of years ago"? Get real. As stated above, MK:DA is light years ahead of MK4. It was anything but the "Same old MK". And I welcomed the change. This is why when I write a review for something I prefer to look at how it compares not only to current games in the market, but it's predecessors. Ok, so MK:DA doesn't have the fluid controls of VF, or the depth of DOA. But, look at what they had to work with (MK4) and what they created (MK:DA). That's a big advancement, atleast to me anyway. And MK has other redeeming qualaties as well. Take for instance the story. Best story in any fighting game in history, bar none. Likeable characters that all have a purpose for doing what they do. Fatalities. They are not everything, but it's something that no other game out there (right now) has going for it. Special moves. Most fighters now a days are all combos. I'm old school, I like the fireball's and spear throwing. All in all, to me, I could care less what EGM says about MK. I like the way MK:DA was set up and have been looking forward to seeing it advance in MK:D. And it will advance, in both gameplay and story. Maybe not as much as some of you would like... but you can't please everyone all the time.

i never said anything about wanting mk to be like vf, just comparable to it in its own way. and as far as you or i know tekken 5 could be a huge improvment, or not, its not out yet and ive seen no movies so i cant tell you. and about boon listening, your right, he does listen. but it seems all people complain about are the one fatality per character and lack of pit fatalities, so it really isnt his fault. and i agree with mkda being a huge improvment over mk4, but 4 was so far behind, and the hiatus between it and 5 was so great fighting games improved so much. If mk6 isnt an improvment, then i hope boon will listen to the fans who want improved gameplay.

JadeDragonMeli Wrote: SonOf100Maniacs Wrote: ill stop "kissing egm's ass" as soon as people like you stop kissing boons and midways ass. you know, i didnt play mkd. but i did play mkda, and found it very poor. now just because i dont like it doesnt mean i hate mk. i put up with people like you just to get my opinion here hoping some people will agree that mk needs improvment. some do, and i say to those people thank you for trying to make mk better. but some will eat up what ever midway hands to them, and some of those people need to play other fighting games and see where mk stands today. i want mk to be better because i love its story, characters, and atmosphere. it also has a good idea with the multiteir levels, death traps, and hand and weapon fighting. but it needs a fighting engine to pull it off. if mkd is awsome and catches me by suprise, then i will kick myself in the ass for doubting it. but i was hyped for MKDA and ended up dissapointed, and looking at videos of MKD it looks the same. You know stuff like this is getting really old. It's one thing to post something constructive you would like to see done in MK and it's another to say anyone here kisses Ed Boon's ass no matter what he gives us. Ummm Hello... UMK3 was made purely out of fans complaints. MK4 is regarded by most to be the low point of the series, so what does Boon do? He creates an entirely new system for MK:DA. MK:DA is leaps and bounds over MK4. And all that for what? So you people can say oh yeah it's MK but it needs more VF? SC? Tekken? The major complaint after MK:DA was no stage fatalities, low number of combos, and one fatality per character. All of that has been fixed with MK:D and now this crap comes up. Ok since we are going to play it this way I want you to look at it like this. What advancements were made in Tekken between part 3 and part 4? Graphics? What about VF? A couple moves and graphics again? Now look at the difference between MK4 and MK:DA. Much better now isn't it? And MK:D has far surpassed MK:DA. Many more advancements have been made than anything you will see in between Tekken 4 and 5. Does any of this matter to you? Nope. We are just ass kissers right? It's amazing Boon even does listen to us. All the work they do to try and make an enjoyable game for the fans and you spit in his face with this "It needs to be more like VF" crap. They are still using a relativly new engine where as Tekken and VF have been using the same thing since day one. Give it some friggin time. I don't mean to start flame wars in here or anything but I'm really sick of people calling me a fanboy or whatever else because I appreciate what Boon is trying to do for US. Do things need tweaking? Yes. Do I expect the fight engine to be perfected on the 2nd try? No. If you have something constructive to post then post it. But don't call me or anybody else on here a fanboy that kisses Boon's ass just because we appreciate the effort he puts into making a game for us. Sorry if I offend anyone with this post. Rant is over, back on topic... EGM really is no different. "Same boring game I got tired of years ago"? Get real. As stated above, MK:DA is light years ahead of MK4. It was anything but the "Same old MK". And I welcomed the change. This is why when I write a review for something I prefer to look at how it compares not only to current games in the market, but it's predecessors. Ok, so MK:DA doesn't have the fluid controls of VF, or the depth of DOA. But, look at what they had to work with (MK4) and what they created (MK:DA). That's a big advancement, atleast to me anyway. And MK has other redeeming qualaties as well. Take for instance the story. Best story in any fighting game in history, bar none. Likeable characters that all have a purpose for doing what they do. Fatalities. They are not everything, but it's something that no other game out there (right now) has going for it. Special moves. Most fighters now a days are all combos. I'm old school, I like the fireball's and spear throwing. All in all, to me, I could care less what EGM says about MK. I like the way MK:DA was set up and have been looking forward to seeing it advance in MK:D. And it will advance, in both gameplay and story. Maybe not as much as some of you would like... but you can't please everyone all the time.

I love you scorpio. You just took the words right out of my mouth about what Boon has done for the fans. The MK team has put so much work into these games and actually listened to what the fans want and people have the nerve to just as you said "spit in their face". I just wish people would take MK for what it is and stop trying to compare it to every other fighting game
ack sorry i meant to type JadeDragonMeli..your avatar threw me off thought :-p

baraka407 Wrote: GrinningEvilDeath: Yeah, I quoted the article word for word. Sonof100maniacs: I'm not pissed because the previewer didn't like the game. Fine, that's his prerogative. My issue is the language of the coverage. Go back and read my first post. To me it seems, the previewer not only didn't like the game, he didn't WANT to like it. If you look at EGM's over the last six months, you'll find that trend. 1) They'd rather put MGS3 on the cover to show that, oh wow, you can change Snake's colors!! yippee!! Oh, but they did introduce MK:D in this same issue, it was a small blurb somewhere in the middle with severely outdated news. 2) They've had large stories on games such as The Getaway and Driv3r...WHO CARES? They've had multiple stories on Halo2, Killzone, Final Fantasy XI, etc etc, but not on MK. NOT ONE. 3) But the clincher for me is: For being one of the most popular game series of all time, with it's prequel MK:DA selling 3 million copies, and the series grossing over a BILLION dollars, you'd think that EGM would cater to such a large fan base and put the game on the cover once, or at least have a more in depth preview. But no. Two tiny previews are it, and one of them was that piece of crap I posted earlier. Honestly, a lot of other games get much more preview time. If MK:DA had flopped, I'd kinda understand, but honestly, does this seem fair to you? The lack of coverage? The language?

ive only gotten 3 issues since subscribing to it again (my last issue before that was the january 2003 issue). and yes i agree that they should have had at least one preview before this e3. i dont mean to bash, i just give my opinion about egm and recent mks, but saying i kiss egms ass is not the way to argue.

I'm not going to lie. I wanted better characters and some improvements in gameplay.

But I wanted more fatalities and stage fatalities 10x more than the rest. It's why I play MK, like it or not. Fatalities own tekken, VF, DOA and always will.

Those games all blow.

SonOf100Maniacs Wrote: i never said anything about wanting mk to be like vf, just comparable to it in its own way. and as far as you or i know tekken 5 could be a huge improvment, or not, its not out yet and ive seen no movies so i cant tell you. and about boon listening, your right, he does listen. but it seems all people complain about are the one fatality per character and lack of pit fatalities, so it really isnt his fault. and i agree with mkda being a huge improvment over mk4, but 4 was so far behind, and the hiatus between it and 5 was so great fighting games improved so much. If mk6 isnt an improvment, then i hope boon will listen to the fans who want improved gameplay.

Tis true. And I'll never say I don't want more improvements to the engine MK:DA/D uses. But it's like some people want the system to be able to match up to VF, DOA, and whatever else on it's second try. And it's just not gonna happen. It's still going to be a fun game for me to play even if there aren't 6 throws per character, 80+ combos, a counter for every attack, etc etc.

MK is what it is, and it has always been that way.

Also I meant to mention earlier and completely forgot.. PSM is actually the only magazine I trust in reviews. What ticks me off about them though is their previews. Take for instance Devil May Cry 2. They went on and on about how awesome the game was going to be. And when it finally came out I think they gave it a 7? I think that is more than fair though I would of given it a 6.

In anycase, I don't think game magazines (most anyway) bash any game during previews. The most that might be said is "The game still has some flaws that need ot be iron'd out". And then the game hits the shelves and it will get a 6 or something in the review. Kind of a turn off on the whole video game mag deal for me. Previews are a deciding factor for some whether to pre-order or not and it seems like alot of mags make a game seem great during a preview then give a low review score. But I digress, and most of the time I do agree with a review from PSM.

EGM bashed MK: Da when no one else did, about stuff that wasn't even true. (plays the same as the old MKs, etc.) Only one reviewer actually did it justice. So yeah, they're biased. I think MK: D will play much better than DA, but i do agree that it needs criticizing, though not for the reasons they stated. I think they should bash the character selection. Yeah, a lot of you disagree, but if they would write that as a complaint, I would fully agree. As it is, heck no.

Let's face it, EGM has gone to crap, MK bashing or no MK bashing. All they got now are little dinky previews and half assed reviews. EGM also gave these other GOOD games snoring symbols: "Goldeneye rougue Agent", "Jak3", and "Conker: Live and Reloaded". Then EGM gave the worst ratings to these also GOOD games: "Death by Degress(w/Tekken's nina)", "Getaway 2", and "Far Cry(xbox)". See, they have no clue.

Screw EGM, they usually get it wrong anyway. I remeber reading an article that said Tao Feng was the "new" sensation in fighters.

just to put things into perspective:

Every credible video game website (Gamespot, IGN) gave Dri3r horrible reviews. The main reviewer in the same EGM mag being mentioned gave Driv3r an 8.5

You're KIDDING??? They bashed MK:D! Flaming dog poo in a bag, it's the end of the world! Let's go and give those suckers the Scorpion treatment!

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It's no big deal. Someone doesn't like MK:D, and they are entitled to their opinion. Heck, they can even PRINT their opinion if they so wish. What matters is YOUR opinion. Regardless of what everyone else out there thinks, provided you buy MK:D and you are satisfied with your purchase that is all that matters.

Obviously EGM did not like MK:D, for whatever reason. Note: WHATEVER reason. Some people here are acting like it's the end of the world. Trust me, there's going to be a lot more criticism like this after the game is released, even if the game proves to be the most comprehensive MK to date (which it probably will be), there will be at least one journo who doesn't like it, and they will print their opinion.

To quote the song:
"And if ya don't like it you can shove it up your arse!"

Bajar Wrote: It's no big deal. Someone doesn't like MK:D, and they are entitled to their opinion. Heck, they can even PRINT their opinion if they so wish. What matters is YOUR opinion. Regardless of what everyone else out there thinks, provided you buy MK:D and you are satisfied with your purchase that is all that matters.

He has a VERY good point there! It's just how you feel about it. Almost everybody on this forum can't wait to play MKD, why are complaining about this little thing?? We all love MKD, no matter what thos f*ckers say.

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