This thread started to get really stupid, your just talking abut the same thing for 49 post. People should just stop bitching, i was just giving suggestions to you ppl. I mean everyone bitches about yayo playing with BRC, but you can always look at it as practice, because you know te more you play one the easier it wil become to defeat it, and if you cant ever beat him just learn to do it yourself, against other BRC, dairou is an excellent choice to use against bo cheesers. Ashrah would be a good choie to since she is so fast.
This is off subject, but will someone tell me why scorpion is a cheep character. If ppl are talking about the kick combo there is no way thats cheap even if they are going to sweep you. You can block either one, or you can jus flip back from the sweeeps. I use scorpion, he is my favorite fighter, and i would like to say i really god with him. If your talking about the sword and spear thing, just think about, there would be no way you can block that, it is no glitch. :-

BRC is the best character in the game and the easiest one to use next to a few characters like Noob-Smoke and Kobra possibly.But BRC is the best character overall meaning he has the least amount of mismatches when compared to others.When BRC is played correctly,only a few characters have a chance to beat him out of ten.It is just that your opponent needs so much work in order to beat a good BRC player that you might as well go for a BRC Vs. BRC match anyway.BRC is a clear example of how Boon's co-workers test their games.
Scorpion is a good character.His weapon stance is the stance to use.The reason he can't keep up with BRC is because he doesn't have the damage that BRC can do.Here's something for you though:
f+1, Spear, switch to second stance and b+2, walk up and Hellfire...
It's all guaranteed,inescapable and leaves you in a good position for mix ups.Seriously,once you predict a Hellfire and backdash/sidestep it,Scorpion is pretty much dead unless they mess up.However,Scorpion does have a decent chance Vs. BRC.

DeadMan90, i dont believe i have played you before. if you dislike how people play one game and leave then brag/complain about the result then why are you doing the same?
Yes, you have played me before and we've traded wins and losses which was cool, but it got to a point where you disconnected after I just about got even wins with you. I was about to win and make it something like 5-5, but you disconnect. Very irritating.
I don't complain about how people play with their characters and what not, I complain that they play one game and run to either complain or brag.
I neither complain or brag when I get beat or beat someone because you'll always see me say "gg (insert name here)" to whomever I play, as long as they don't disconnect on me or run after one game. At least I have the courtesy to ask for just one game and explain why I want just one and the reason most of the time is because I'm running to work right after. The person I played one game with earlier in the day, I usually see if I can play them later that night to continue on for a series of matches against them so they or I can even up the odds. and I should add, what you're doing with Bo Rai Cho doesn't make you a tough competitor. With that combo, anyone can be a "tough competitor" and as much as I love MK, it shows that this game is really broken and some issues need to be fixed as far as abuse in the engine goes. Now that I think about it...maybe blocking throws in the last game wasn't so bad after all...Then again, there should have been parrying and counters as well for options.

DeadMan90 i haven't played you before because you said we we're 5-5 and then i disconnected on last game?? why would i disconnect after you already gained like 5 wins? so mysteriously i chose to disconnect on ur 6th win?? that doesnt make sense. u can ask anyone who knows me well online, i dont play like that.

its funny hows a ton of people on here seem to think they have beaten my bo before because from the best of my knowledge only a few people have beaten me when im using brc. not tryna sound cocky but its true. and deadman i know you dont complain about bo or what other character a person chooses. i never said you do. read closely to all my post directed to you.

yes playing bo the way i do makes me a tough competitor, you wanna why know? because alot of people have a tough time beating him, that makes me a tough competitor. yep ur right if people used bo the way i do then yeah they could be a tough competitor as well. anyone who really plays to win is a tough competitor. if you think about it most fighting games are broken. all real competitors will take advantage of the games broken engine in any fighting game.

...if you think about it most fighting games are broken. all real competitors will take advantage of the games broken engine in any fighting game.
Again,you show your lack of understanding of better fighting games than MK:D.Every game is broken is a way,but the difference between MK:D and Tekken as far as being broken and skill are concerned,is like night and day.
Here's what you need to play T4 Lee above average:
Strats:
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=54206
Frame Data:
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/tekken4/framedata.php?id=lee
And he's like one of the best characters in the game.You tell me one MK:D character and I'll summarize him/her in one paragraph and tell you exactly how he/she needs to be played.There's not much besides the best 50/50 mix ups that I need to tell you.Learn them and other character's BS,and you're ready to play.
You and I played BRC Vs. Scorpion most of the time back when you were online.You won like 16-4 with BRC.Do I suck that bad?I don't think so.BRC is just too good.Being a competitive player myself,this looks like I don't even know what MK:D is.You will NEVER encounter such a huge difference of wins when both competitive players play in games like TTT and VF.Talking about being broken...MK:D is broken and just like somebody said,this games needs a wake-up game.Once a wake-up game is implemented,an Oki game is a necessity.When will Boon add something like this?MK:11 or MK:12?I don't know considering most MK fans are fatality freaks.
Don't get me wrong.I don't hate this game because I can't beat you.I don't care.In fact,I wasn't going to take this seriously in the first place because I know how MK games are when played at a high level.Once T5 hits the PS2,I won't touch MK:D.There's a lot of competition waiting for me.

The reason you would disconnect would be so the damn losses don't count genius.

I think I wrote 2 or 3 pages for lei alone for the tekken 3 brady strategy guide. I contributed to 12 characters on tekken 3 and not one could be summed up in on paragraph except maybe heihachi due to a bug that allowed 99% of his movelist to be sidestepped to the left you were left with very few options to play him against somebody who knew about the bug but even then I think I could go on for more than a paragraph.

yes bo does takes skill, its evident because i have played against every bo user on MKD and they all get beat 2 rounds to none, only exception is TAI-BO. m2dave please explain to me why you think bo is soooooo easy to use when it was you who got flawlessed when using bo and lost 2 rounds to none. since its so easy to do f+3 and throw right?
I cant believe you just said it. Are u just retarded or stupid as fuck. Are you serious skill..what skill using a glitched up move that hits you half screen away and is always garaunteed a a grab isnt skill it just shows how fucked up this game is. And cmon seriously glitch vs glitch doesnt increase your skill level or glitch level. Same character vs same character matches in any game is just plain random just like any other character. Theres no skill its just on who gets the glitch first. Thats it no skill in using one move over and over. All your doing is one move and no doing the 5 hit combo with fat boy after a throw doesnt mean you have skill it just means that by some miracle you actually know what a combo is besides to hits. Your only strategy is too abuse an already abused glitch. All you do is walk f3 walk back walk in f3 theres no skill in that. Its not even a unique strategy its the samething any fat boy player uses. Theres no skill in imitating anyone. That is refered as a copy cat. Unless you can use fat boys other arts without having to use his stick all day then you suck. Say what you want but all my noob strategies are my shit and all the combos are mine. I use what the game has i dont abuse a glitch but i can if i wanted to and you wont be able to do shit about it regardless of what you may think. So before you ever in your life use skills and fat boy in the same sentence go throw yourself off of a building because thats just retarded.

Yo yayo what makes you a scrub is your lack of ability to use another character besides a glitch that makes you a scrub the fact that you can only win by using the most abused and glitch up character in the game. That makes you a scrub.If you can actually use another character and win then your not a scrub. Every other characters have a glitch but theirs are nowhere near as bad as the fat boy. Seriously think about it half screen hit that garauntees a grab as long as it hits no matter where you are. Be serious if you think your skilled because of that then you suck. Seriously when you show me how you can win without brc then ill stop bashing on your comments. Im sure thats why you dont even use dairous on good players because abusing the tombstone hit will get you killed.

This is off subject, but will someone tell me why scorpion is a cheep character. If ppl are talking about the kick combo there is no way thats cheap even if they are going to sweep you. You can block either one, or you can jus flip back from the sweeeps. I use scorpion, he is my favorite fighter, and i would like to say i really god with him. If your talking about the sword and spear thing, just think about, there would be no way you can block that, it is no glitch. :-
Sorry to disagree with you but i know how to block it a lot actually and not by standing up all day either. You dont believe me ask molson X he whores the fucking move all damn day. Damn all i see with that bastard is WACK WACK WACK WACK lmao its just too funny.

Sorry like i said before VLAD D Noob Smoke is the best character in the game. True brc is abusive true he has a nasty mixup game. But Noob Smoke is a better character and has worse than he does. And barely any weaknesses. BRC i dont know why many of you dont know this by now but he has a few weakness that destroy his game against Smoke. Believe it or not up to you i know what im talking about. If you ever heard of Marvel vs Capcom 2 theres a character called cable in there and he is fucking disgusting one of the most sickening and annoying shit you will see but never made it to number 1 status in the tiers. Even he is an easy an abusive character just like BRC. You know why because there are better there are ways to get around it. If you dont know how to exploit his weaknesses then i dont know how to help you then. And by the way a kabal player can beat BRC a good one anyways and i know how and why.

everyone is saying how easy brc is to beat, there is no secret... avoid f3 as much as u can, don t tell me kabal can and n/s can, cause a good bo player , knows how 2 counter, smoke screen, unless u do infinites... cause he f3 goes though cloud with harm to brc.. and if u think dashing through the f3 will work, than lol.... cause the bo players u play only use f3, cause all his pokes in his weapon stance are great, and the f3 just sets it up perfect , making u block all day long. i wish ps2 online didnt suck so much, or i would sign up for it also.

Actually there was a time cable was considered #1 and most consider him top tier even if he isn't overall #1.
Personally don't think your arguement is any better whether you are taking advantage of BRC "glitched" moves or NS glitched moves neither takes much in the skill department. It all breaks down to 50/50 game.

I don't know how Noob-Smoke can be better than BRC if the N/S player doesn't use infinite combos.Every mid Smoke does is not safe against BRC.BRC gets a free f+3 from either b+1 or u+4.How do you make them safe?
With the infinite combo (and I don't mean the one in corner),N/S is probably better.One successful throw and BRC is dead.Once successful u+4 or b+1,BRC is dead too.But not to many people know about this infinite combo.Noobe did it a few times against me,and I know how to do it as well,but I mess up a lot.
Scorpion is fine,but he is kind of low top tier.I don't think he can compete against N/S,BRC,Dairou and maybe Kobra.His weapon stance is his best stance,but he lacks crazy damage and better and safer 50/50 mix ups to be like N/S and BRC.
Yayo's misconception of skill lies in the fact that he has never played a better fighter competitively than MK:D.You can truely infer that from the posts he makes about other fighters.Having the capability to predict the opponent is good,but that doesn't mean you're automatically skilled.
I also agree with TruKing.BRC is broken,but so is N/S.N/S,however,requires a little more work,but that doesn't mean he is anything close to balanced.Come on Noobe,what do you do besides those two inescapable combos?Not much.

Actually there was a time cable was considered #1 and most consider him top tier even if he isn't overall #1.
Personally don't think your arguement is any better whether you are taking advantage of BRC "glitched" moves or NS glitched moves neither takes much in the skill department. It all breaks down to 50/50 game.
No cable never made number 1 in mvc 2 i know i was a top player for that game. He is still very good but for some reason never number one. At one time doom was number 1 because of the infamous doom blackheart trap. Even though doom gets raped by cable but he never made first.
And what NS glitched moves are you talking about? He has no glitched up moves at all. And my argument is simple just because the character is simple and any moron with two fingers can use him doesnt make him the best. It will make him the best against scrubs but against a good player he will lose. If you cant exploit any characters weakness then you will lose. And sorry to tell yuo if you think about it almost everyone else in this game has some type of glitch moved that puts you in a wierd block stun. Noob smoke is the only who doesnt have a move that makes your character block in two or three different directions after the move and even when its nowhere near you.

everyone is saying how easy brc is to beat, there is no secret... avoid f3 as much as u can, don t tell me kabal can and n/s can, cause a good bo player , knows how 2 counter, smoke screen, unless u do infinites... cause he f3 goes though cloud with harm to brc.. and if u think dashing through the f3 will work, than lol.... cause the bo players u play only use f3, cause all his pokes in his weapon stance are great, and the f3 just sets it up perfect , making u block all day long. i wish ps2 online didnt suck so much, or i would sign up for it also.
Only scrubs used smoke screen on a player all day and go for infinites to win. Noob Smoke are the deadliest character in the game if you knew what i know with them you wouldnt be disagreeing with me. All of brc moves have an opening that can be exploited. If you dont know it by now then sorry i cant help you thats your problem. But i know because of practice with a friend of mine and i know for a fact that he has a lot of openings some of which a lot of you arent even aware of. Im not going to let you know because if you cant find out for yourself you need not find it out from me. I guess you just never played a good noob smoke. Ive played plenty and no one can match my noob smoke at all dont even come close. When the character is used strategically they are nasty the nastiest in this game. He has so many free ways to get in on a character that a lot of you dont even know about. And if you want you can play me to find out just how nasty they i while rush you down with them so nasty youll be surprised. No matter how good you are with brc it wont really matter you act like he is doing fast cross ups or something. Its the same predictable move nothing hard about just blocking the hit at all. If you cant strategise against this then thats your problem. Im not saying i wont lose because everyone loses but im saying that its very beatable when you just think and look. Thats all i have to say about this if you want to find out for yourself how i beat bos with noob then just play me with him and youll find out first hand.

I don't know how Noob-Smoke can be better than BRC if the N/S player doesn't use infinite combos.Every mid Smoke does is not safe against BRC.BRC gets a free f+3 from either b+1 or u+4.How do you make them safe?
With the infinite combo (and I don't mean the one in corner),N/S is probably better.One successful throw and BRC is dead.Once successful u+4 or b+1,BRC is dead too.But not to many people know about this infinite combo.Noobe did it a few times against me,and I know how to do it as well,but I mess up a lot.
Scorpion is fine,but he is kind of low top tier.I don't think he can compete against N/S,BRC,Dairou and maybe Kobra.His weapon stance is his best stance,but he lacks crazy damage and better and safer 50/50 mix ups to be like N/S and BRC.
Yayo's misconception of skill lies in the fact that he has never played a better fighter competitively than MK:D.You can truely infer that from the posts he makes about other fighters.Having the capability to predict the opponent is good,but that doesn't mean you're automatically skilled.
I also agree with TruKing.BRC is broken,but so is N/S.N/S,however,requires a little more work,but that doesn't mean he is anything close to balanced.Come on Noobe,what do you do besides those two inescapable combos?Not much.
Ok Vlad tell me something how many times did i mess up the infinite on you? I can answer that for you none. You got double flawlessed and i never even practiced it i just know the timing thats all. So yes that makes him the most disgusting character in the game. One grab or over and your dead you cant do squat your breakers are useless. And if you dont know about his safe mid which is the safest in the game then i cant help you im not here to tutor anyone. The infinite is just a perk or should i say infinites. In noobs case more than 2 thats all im going to say. If im tired of playing around with him ill dishrag any character i choose. Noob smoke is the most disgusting character in this game period even without the infinites the infinites just assure his placing. Im not saying he is a clean character because when you think about it in mkd who the hell isnt broken. Basically every character has something that just doesnt like it should be happening but happens. If you can think of someone you tell me and ill let you know what i think about that. I know things about this game that im sure none of you know. If you knew how many infinites ive figured out you would be shocked. And i mean infinites in two different ways.
And to answer your question Vlad. Be serious. Are you telling me that because a character has 100 combos your going to use all of them. Hell no you will just use the most effective/slash damaging. Be serious when i figured out that combo with noob an unbreakable combo why would i do anything else? Why would i not do the combo? Anyone in there right minds would do it. You actually try to do it but mess up a lot of the time and then try and substitute it for less damaging but similar combos. Cmon now be serious. I dont need to do anything else with smoke. I do to combos. One for damage and the other for free damage and extremely good placing/advantage gain. And i dont know what your talking about there is only one inescapable combo not two.
Seriously your question really doesnt make any sense. Its like saying do raidens long chain just so i can impress you and leave myself open for a combo. That doesnt make any sense. When i think about combos i have to things in mind. Damage and control. Thats it i dont need anything else. Well hope this answers your questions but i know its just going to lead to a lot more. Dont ask me about any combos because like i said im not anyones tutor. I stay original as long as possible. I dont like giving anyone my findings at all. I dont like anyone cheesing off of me either. Which is too late because after i started destroying everyone with my Smoke combo almost every smoke player ive played tries it on me and usually fail why i have no idea. But seriously people just think im sure it will come to you in someway.

Noobe,you've mentioned some points I've never even questioned.Of course you are going to do the two combos if they are effective.What some people and I mean is that don't act like N/S requires some super skill compared to BRC.Once you know those two combos you do,what else is there really to learn besides some infinite combos and some basic stuff?
You haven't really told me much.I've figured out the N/S infinite by myself and was the first one to post it on mkonline.I've also shown people how to do it online.Seriously,unlike you,I don't care about originality nor am I afraid that the other guy will use the broken shit I discovered.I simply don't care;if you do,that's OK.Keep your secrets to yourself then.

Noobe,you've mentioned some points I've never even questioned.Of course you are going to do the two combos if they are effective.What some people and I mean is that don't act like N/S requires some super skill compared to BRC.Once you know those two combos you do,what else is there really to learn besides some infinite combos and some basic stuff?
You haven't really told me much.I've figured out the N/S infinite by myself and was the first one to post it on mkonline.I've also shown people how to do it online.Seriously,unlike you,I don't care about originality nor am I afraid that the other guy will use the broken shit I discovered.I simply don't care;if you do,that's OK.Keep your secrets to yourself then.
Strategy actually use of their real effective strategies because dont take this the wrong way but your N/S really sucks. Your just like almost any other player ive seen online you only use smoke and go for cloud and walk in grab. That strategy is weak. You dont even use noob. Noob is the better rush down character of the two. But again your asking another question that doesnt make any sense. What are you going to do when you learn with any other character in this game. Nothing but combos and strategy thats it. Especially in MKD it really isnt going to get any better then that. And im not saying that damn im the greatest player of all time and not but what im saying is that. Unlike anyone else that ive seen played Noob i actually use N/S a combination of the two which makes mine the best Noob online because i know whats useful with them and what isnt. Thats all im saying. N/S doesnt require that much skill strategy or whatever you want to call it. But think about it which character in this game really does? Its all basically the same get close get your damage. Rush them down or turtle. Im just saying that N/S can do all of the above without any problems and has the safest ways to get in on a character and most effective combos in the game. Ill end it at this i have things to do.

You went back far but not far enough. Early on in mvc2 iceman cable and jill were considered top tier. Before triangle dash and wave dash were discovered before doom blackheart traps were discovered and before spiral being able to counter cable were discovered the Triple AHVB was found. This put cable at #1 this happened before the EVO where eddie lee broke out the doom black heart trap or before duc found spiral could teleport against the AHVB. After those were found cable hung out top tier and then players like shadyk and the seatlle crew rodolfo rattana kuan etc started to perfect the triangle dash and then storm and mag got pushed to the top spots. Cable is still played in tournaments he's still dangerous and still considered upper tier.

n/s , throw, teleport, stars( make sure character is as high as possible,) walk under, smoke cloud.... infinite #3, but brc is broken... and scorp has one 2

Noobe,you do Smoke Cloud and walk up and grab as well,but you don't abuse the Smoke Cloud as much as I do.The only thing you do that I don't,are the two combos.You do them consecutively to set up 50/50 mix ups and damage.
Why I should I use Noob if Smoke is the better character?Why am I a bad N/S player?I am not a retard.I can do 4, d,b+2 or throw with Noobe, d,b+2, walk up and side step and grab as well near corners.This is all your Noob strategy,so don't act like you do something special with him besides this.And of course f,f+3 is guaranteed after Noob's throw.

n/s , throw, teleport, stars( make sure character is as high as possible,) walk under, smoke cloud.... infinite #3, but brc is broken... and scorp has one 2
This isnt an infinite if the smoke combos then you wont be allowed to regrab the game wont let you. If it doesnt that means it just a sike out and can be escaped.

Noobe,you do Smoke Cloud and walk up and grab as well,but you don't abuse the Smoke Cloud as much as I do.The only thing you do that I don't,are the two combos.You do them consecutively to set up 50/50 mix ups and damage.
Why I should I use Noob if Smoke is the better character?Why am I a bad N/S player?I am not a retard.I can do 4, d,b+2 or throw with Noobe, d,b+2, walk up and side step and grab as well near corners.This is all your Noob strategy,so don't act like you do something special with him besides this.And of course f,f+3 is guaranteed after Noob's throw.
Yea i dont abuse the smoke could because it has plenty of weaknesses another N/S can exploit. Its not about me being special im not saying i am. Im just saying that you have no strategy but the obvious with them which is not good because when you get obvious you die well against me you will. And if you cant use both of the characters you will die. Because there are plenty of instances that you cant rush someone with smoke. Noob is the offensive/rushdown of the two and Smoke is the offensive/turtle he cant rush if you try you will eat something. if you dont believe me try and rush me with smoke and youll see what happens. Im just telling you what my insight is. If you dont think its effective then thats on you.

87 paragraphs later and you still use a gs speed up code Noobe...pretty sad