Blaze Vs Shujinko! The battle for the Kamidogou!
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posted09/12/2004 05:57 PM (UTC)by
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Shujinkos bio tells him that he has been searching for the Kamidogou for a long time now. The elder Gods had him set about this task and he went off in search of it as they asked. Now I’m wondering if Blazes mystery quest from MKDA was also to find the Kamidogou.
Blaze had a quest which he set out upon, but was stopped and enslaved by the priests looking after the Dragon Kings egg. After the egg hatched, Blaze went about carrying out his mission, not caring for revenge or anything of the sort.
If Blaze really is in search of the Kamidogou, who sent him for it? Was it the Elder Gods? If they did, they probably lost track of him after he was enslaved and decided they couldn’t wait around any longer for him and sent Shujinko on the same quest. However, Blaze being an Outworld elemental, his involvement with the Elder Gods may be unlikely.
So, maybe there is something or somebody in Outworld who sent Blaze? Maybe some one we know like Shao Kahn. Or maybe someone unknown, like another god or some cult or tribe somewhere. Or even just another council of gods. The most important thing to ask however, is for what reason did they send him for it?
If the Blaze is indeed looking for the Kamidogou, then perhaps he and Shujinko will become enemies. If they were both working for the elder Gods, neither would know. If the other found the Kamidogou first, the other would want and then try to take it, leading to an eventual fight between the two. If they are working for different people, then the same will happen anyway, if one finds it before the other. If they did, fight, who would win? And do you think they’re on the same quest?
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Zombie_Liu_rules
09/11/2004 01:52 PM (UTC)
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Blaze is a rather mystic character... he might indeed be in search of the Kamidogou, but I doubt he was a Champion of the Elder Gods, like Shujinko, Kung Lao or Liu Kang.
But let's just suppose he was. His story could start many centuries ago. Judging by the sketches seen of him, Blaze appeared to once have been human. His "captors", most probably the priests honouring the Dragon King, condemned him to live with and AS the lava until Onaga would return.
Heck, maybe Blaze's story even began in the era when Onaga was still the Emperor of Outworld? Only time will tell. And besides, the greatest mystery still remains: why and how did Onaga die anyway? My guess is he would die just to resurrect, and be greater than ever, like... cursing himself.
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GreatQueenSindel
09/11/2004 02:12 PM (UTC)
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I'm guessing Shujinko will win I dont think he will lose with all the powers he poseses.
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09/11/2004 02:13 PM (UTC)
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Zombie_Liu_rules Wrote:
Blaze is a rather mystic character... he might indeed be in search of the Kamidogou, but I doubt he was a Champion of the Elder Gods, like Shujinko, Kung Lao or Liu Kang.
But let's just suppose he was. His story could start many centuries ago. Judging by the sketches seen of him, Blaze appeared to once have been human. His "captors", most probably the priests honouring the Dragon King, condemned him to live with and AS the lava until Onaga would return.
Heck, maybe Blaze's story even began in the era when Onaga was still the Emperor of Outworld? Only time will tell. And besides, the greatest mystery still remains: why and how did Onaga die anyway? My guess is he would die just to resurrect, and be greater than ever, like... cursing himself.

i agree with you cause on the back of the box it say "an evil has returned from beyond death", or something like that.
he had to die at one point, which rasies the question, who or what killed him? back to blaze.
blaze had some purpose before being holted be the dragon king lackies.
possiable sujinko is taking up the quest that blaze has failed to finsh.
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Zombie_Liu_rules
09/11/2004 02:20 PM (UTC)
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Now (here comes the silly part), what is the Kamidogu? A mystical weapon of some sort?
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09/11/2004 03:02 PM (UTC)
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kamidogou=shinnoks ammulet
also these are awesome theories but i have a feeling it goes alot deeper than this. what if the dragon king had 2 motives for being destroyed. the first being that he might become more powerful, and the second that he wanted everyone to forget about him and become lazy or weak from peace. what onaga didnt know about his hibernation was that shao khan was causing all of the realms to keep having fighters and after that shinnok made it so that they had realm warriors. one part of his plan had failed already but he had still become more powerful. another theory is that onaga let his army die while he was in hibernation so that someone else would revive them and they would be unstoppable. if they were unstoppable the only thing he would need would be the kamidogou and he would have absolute control over them. i bet that onaga made it so that he would be resurrected once his army was and shujinko failed by not stopping quan chi and shang sung.
i also have a very very strong feeling that shujinko is indeed blaze. before you object let me tell you why. the bios said that blaze already had a quest...just like shujinko. they also said that blaze is thousands of years old. not like shujinko but why couldnt the spirit of blaze be put into shujinko by the priests of onaga to guard him. the priests would want only the best to defend their king with and shujinko was that best. after this shujinko is aware of how powerful the dragon king has become and he is the only one that knows his true weakness or something along that line. of course this could all be crap but just thought i would throw it out there...i have more to say but i cant think of it right now tongue
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Zombie_Liu_rules
09/11/2004 03:09 PM (UTC)
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Hmmm... I like your almost political take on things, and if I'm not mistaken u think that both Shao Kahn and even Shinnok, an Elder God for cryin' out loud, feared Onaga's power? I'm going with that theory as well, yes.
Not agreeing with the Shujinko being Blaze thing tho. Sounds a little farfetched don't u think? Blaze's soul going into Shujinko? Nah, Blaze is far away from the tournament, seeing that **SPOILER** he is still leaving the temple in spectre form in his DA ending.
Onaga's undefeatable army now consists of the undead, so they just became a whee bit more undefeatable :)
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09/11/2004 03:34 PM (UTC)
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i am starting to think with the new fire effect they my make blaze a super secret character because i would expect him to get revenge on his capture, the DK. it would be cool to see new better fire fatalities.
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09/11/2004 03:41 PM (UTC)
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I wonder if probably Shinnok sent Blaze, but who knows. confused confused
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Zombie_Liu_rules
09/11/2004 03:43 PM (UTC)
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Shinnok is dead, right? (haven't played MK4 -_-), maybe Blaze is off to report to his master in the Netherealm...
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09/11/2004 03:45 PM (UTC)
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Zombie_Liu_rules Wrote:
Shinnok is dead, right? (haven't played MK4 -_-), maybe Blaze is off to report to his master in the Netherealm...

Well probably he sent him before he died, or maybe not!
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09/11/2004 03:53 PM (UTC)
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isnt blaze an elemental god? one of the four that were guarding the scroll which led to the amulet that sub zero stole????? as was fujin and maybe because it was his fault they lost it they sent him to find it
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09/11/2004 04:24 PM (UTC)
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Zombie_Liu_rules Wrote:
Blaze is a rather mystic character... he might indeed be in search of the Kamidogou, but I doubt he was a Champion of the Elder Gods, like Shujinko, Kung Lao or Liu Kang.
But let's just suppose he was. His story could start many centuries ago. Judging by the sketches seen of him, Blaze appeared to once have been human. His "captors", most probably the priests honouring the Dragon King, condemned him to live with and AS the lava until Onaga would return.
Heck, maybe Blaze's story even began in the era when Onaga was still the Emperor of Outworld? Only time will tell. And besides, the greatest mystery still remains: why and how did Onaga die anyway? My guess is he would die just to resurrect, and be greater than ever, like... cursing himself.

no one said Blaze had to be a champion. He is an Outworld elemental sand we can assume he would be powerful enough to undertake th quest and retrieve the Kamidogou.
I like your theories on how Blaze was created, but I do not think he was human at all.
And I too would like to know how the Dragon King was defeated in the past!
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Zombie_Liu_rules
09/11/2004 04:26 PM (UTC)
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Woah, defeated? smile
Not very likely... he probably just used some magic on himself or something so both he and his army would die, to later be more powerful than ever and have control over all realms...
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09/11/2004 04:27 PM (UTC)
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stevodastoppa Wrote:
kamidogou=shinnoks ammulet
also these are awesome theories but i have a feeling it goes alot deeper than this. what if the dragon king had 2 motives for being destroyed. the first being that he might become more powerful, and the second that he wanted everyone to forget about him and become lazy or weak from peace. what onaga didnt know about his hibernation was that shao khan was causing all of the realms to keep having fighters and after that shinnok made it so that they had realm warriors. one part of his plan had failed already but he had still become more powerful. another theory is that onaga let his army die while he was in hibernation so that someone else would revive them and they would be unstoppable. if they were unstoppable the only thing he would need would be the kamidogou and he would have absolute control over them. i bet that onaga made it so that he would be resurrected once his army was and shujinko failed by not stopping quan chi and shang sung.
i also have a very very strong feeling that shujinko is indeed blaze. before you object let me tell you why. the bios said that blaze already had a quest...just like shujinko. they also said that blaze is thousands of years old. not like shujinko but why couldnt the spirit of blaze be put into shujinko by the priests of onaga to guard him. the priests would want only the best to defend their king with and shujinko was that best. after this shujinko is aware of how powerful the dragon king has become and he is the only one that knows his true weakness or something along that line. of course this could all be crap but just thought i would throw it out there...i have more to say but i cant think of it right now

Excellent post, man.
I don't think shujinko is Blaze though. You see, Shujinko was born in this current time and Blaze as an elemental is centuries old, but then we have no idea how long ago Blazes quest began. Although I do believe it said on MKDa that it was some time ago.
Great post once again. I also love the reasons you gave for the Dragon Kings demise.
abomb1987 Wrote: i am starting to think with the new fire effect they my make blaze a super secret character because i would expect him to get revenge on his capture, the DK. it would be cool to see new better fire fatalities.

Blazes ending showed he didn't care for revenge. He just went straight back to is quest!
Thanks for the replies everyone!
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09/11/2004 08:30 PM (UTC)
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Scorpion may be "sided" with the elder gods, so maybe he's after Shinnok's amulet as well, I wonder if that's the reason why Shujinko is enemies with Scorpion...
that's the only thing related that I could think of that is related to this! smile
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09/11/2004 08:56 PM (UTC)
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Brunão Wrote:
Scorpion may be "sided" with the elder gods, so maybe he's after Shinnok's amulet as well, I wonder if that's the reason why Shujinko is enemies with Scorpion...
that's the only thing related that I could think of that is related to this!

Good theory, although why would the Elders send both Scorpion and Shujinko after the Kamidogou? It doesn't make sense. Unless, Shujinko also got sidetracked, like I assumed could have happened to Blaze because of him being kept prisoner if he was indeed sent on this same mission.
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09/12/2004 05:49 PM (UTC)
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I think this is a very interesting theory. But, can I ask whats the Kamidogou??? Is it some sort of essence or power or something?
I think Blaze has lots of story potential, he should return and maybe face Shujinko in battle for this Kamidogou thing.
But Blaze must look original, his MKDA look was fine, but not special at all. The krypt had some better sketches of his character, they should use those.
Great thread T! smile
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Zombie_Liu_rules
09/12/2004 05:57 PM (UTC)
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Agree smile it's total anti-spamming. Kamidogu is Shinnok's amulet, it's mentioned a lot wink
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