You guys are sad.

Colguile, you're a loser, plain and simple.

Menthol, same goes to you.

Just stop talking, please.

Jade was in UMK3, you think I don't know that? Come on, bro.

And no, which game got national exposure doesn't matter. They're all good. Irrelevant point trying to be made here.

And for the record, no, there aren't tier characters in any games. In MKDA, I'll rock you with subzero fight against scorpion. Bring it, bitch. You guys just suck at the games, plain and simple. When you LOSE with sub-zero to scorpion, you tell yourself "Hey, I CANT LOSE IM THE BEST, there MUST be a reason why??? OH YEAH, SUB CANT BEAT SCORPION, WAHOOOO!"

Crazy motherfuckers

Quit stealing my gimmick of two years ago when I used to say tiers don't exist. You suck at it.

Tiers exist and are infact what breaks EVERY MK game. Somebody play this fool in MK2 and use Mileena. Please. Thank you.

How do tiers NOT exist? You get hit one time with Bo Rai Cho in MKDA and the whole round is over due to his infinite. Are you telling me some shit character like Cyrax isn't at a disadvantage? Are you fucking kidding me?

Go back to gamefaqs and listen to other bums who say DOA is deep.

I liked the extra's! My favorite image was the Kano's cereal! But instead of images that make fun of the characters, they should have videoes instaed like "Cooking with Scorpion" That was great!

twistedspine Wrote: You guys are sad. Colguile, you're a loser, plain and simple. Menthol, same goes to you. Just stop talking, please. Jade was in UMK3, you think I don't know that? Come on, bro. And no, which game got national exposure doesn't matter. They're all good. Irrelevant point trying to be made here. And for the record, no, there aren't tier characters in any games. In MKDA, I'll rock you with subzero fight against scorpion. Bring it, bitch. You guys just suck at the games, plain and simple. When you LOSE with sub-zero to scorpion, you tell yourself "Hey, I CANT LOSE IM THE BEST, there MUST be a reason why??? OH YEAH, SUB CANT BEAT SCORPION, WAHOOOO!" Crazy motherfuckers

Please. You ARE a pair of clown shoes.

You're proven yourself to be the most diluted person on this board.

And I wrote MK3 not UMK3.

Scrub.

ultimateryu Wrote: I look forward to the MK story, designs, interesting characters, imaginitive backgrounds and aura of mystery just as much as the actual gameplay itself in each installment.

I agree. It's the story that sets MK above other fighters

-NIGHTWOLF- Wrote: ultimateryu Wrote: I look forward to the MK story, designs, interesting characters, imaginitive backgrounds and aura of mystery just as much as the actual gameplay itself in each installment. I agree. It's the story that sets MK above other fighters

MK's story is the most in-depth and detailed, but that doesn't make it better than any other fighter, you judge fighters by their fighting above anything else, that's the whole point of a beat-em up rather than an action game.

I know when I'm beating up raiden as Sub-Zero I don't think to myself, wait a sec we're on the same side, this doesn't go along with the story, because you're playing the game. The story only comes into it before and after the game.

As for stories I doubt that the other games will have better stories, but Tekken 5's is looking interesting to say the least, not as good as Deception's obviously, but it's not far off.


and then there's the whole modern and realism in the story that MK's doesn't have, ok Devil seems a bit far fetched, but it's believable, because it's being used with science, a thing everyone can relate to.


whereas in MK you have ressurections, shaokans, walking talking lizard humanoids and the idea of realms.


both have good stories, but really are too different to be compared.

I've always had a bit of a problem incorporating a fighting system where you can kill your own teammates (exampe: Sonya vs. Jax or Liu Kang vs. Kung Lao). It never made sense! But, we now have a roster large enough that there is a definitive section of good/evil, nearly balanced out, so I think that creating a logical combat sequence could be done. It's a little thing in the gameplay department, but little things, when added up, create wonderful success. MKD already has its problems (the glorified ring-outs the most so), but the question of gameplay really can't be clarified until one actually plays the game. That being said, my fears that the extra modes are nothing more than vessels to hide poor gameplay is a cold, harsh possibility. Whether the game receives the necessary polish or not from the Midway team will be crucial. I completely agree that gameplay should be the main concern; no extra modes, not online, not even graphics or sound, and certainly not on how many characters they can squeeze into the game (face it; we don't need Rain or Stryker.) What has set MK apart from other fighters has been its dark story, its gruesome combat and finishers, its wide selection of fighters and crisp graphics, and its unique combat layout (which is as far from Street Fighter as you can get.) MK:DA lost quite a bit of its 'uniqueness', rather becoming more of an MK-theme Tekken. The gameplay changed for better or worse, and MKD is almost a last-chance attempt to create a new MK masterpiece. Fatality.

good lord lets just wait for the game...there are probably like 100 threads about the same exact thing on this board, cant we just play the game then criticise it. I am very excited about this game whether or not it may have something wrong with it...you know what thats called? thats called being a human and humans arent perfect. Give them a break its not like they are trying to dissapoint people for sick kicks. Im not flamin im just tellin you what i think.

stevodastoppa Wrote: good lord lets just wait for the game...there are probably like 100 threads about the same exact thing on this board, cant we just play the game then criticise it. I am very excited about this game whether or not it may have something wrong with it...you know what thats called? thats called being a human and humans arent perfect. Give them a break its not like they are trying to dissapoint people for sick kicks. Im not flamin im just tellin you what i think.

Thank you, you're making more sense than most people on this board.

In responce to the tier issue, I find it really hard to believe that the MK Staff would create a character and make him weak so he can get his butt kicked by other players. He could be difficult to play as, but not weak. Look at characters like Voldo or Yoshimitsu in SC, they're odd looking and really hard to win as if you just pick them up and play with them. But once you master they're techniques and styles, you're unstoppable with them. And that's what it's like in MK. It may seem ungodly hard to play as Bo Rai Cho, but if you play with him and practice with him, you can fight well with him. That's my theory at least. But I know I'm probably going to get shot down by either twistedspine, menthol, or colguile.

that makes perfect sense, everything takes practice and i like a challenging character

NoObSaIbOt777 Wrote: In responce to the tier issue, I find it really hard to believe that the MK Staff would create a character and make him weak so he can get his butt kicked by other players. He could be difficult to play as, but not weak. Look at characters like Voldo or Yoshimitsu in SC, they're odd looking and really hard to win as if you just pick them up and play with them. But once you master they're techniques and styles, you're unstoppable with them. And that's what it's like in MK. It may seem ungodly hard to play as Bo Rai Cho, but if you play with him and practice with him, you can fight well with him. That's my theory at least. But I know I'm probably going to get shot down by either twistedspine, menthol, or colguile.

stevodastoppa Wrote: that makes perfect sense, everything takes practice and i like a challenging character

Exactly

puzzle kombat just seems stupid to me. The chess game looks awesome though.

NoObSaIbOt777 Wrote: In responce to the tier issue, I find it really hard to believe that the MK Staff would create a character and make him weak so he can get his butt kicked by other players. He could be difficult to play as, but not weak. Look at characters like Voldo or Yoshimitsu in SC, they're odd looking and really hard to win as if you just pick them up and play with them. But once you master they're techniques and styles, you're unstoppable with them. And that's what it's like in MK. It may seem ungodly hard to play as Bo Rai Cho, but if you play with him and practice with him, you can fight well with him. That's my theory at least. But I know I'm probably going to get shot down by either twistedspine, menthol, or colguile.

Don't mind spine and guile, they're both very opinionaterd people on opposite ends of the spectrum.

In terms of ur idea of the tiers, the developers dont make charcters bad on purpose so much as other characters r simply better equipped then others. An excellent game in which tiers r prthisthingisdisabledent is super smash bros melee. Certain characters (sheik, fox, peach) r just BETTER then other characters (bowzer, pichu) because of a mixture of factors such as speed, damage, and moves sets. Balancing characters is extremely hard work, especially considering the number of random factors that can go into a fighter.(this character vs that, special moves, etc) Also, when the game isnt realesed into arcades where they can be "patched", it becoems a pain to balance thing. With arcade-before-console games by the time the game comes home to consoles, all the kinks r (generally) rolled out of the game. soul calibur 2 is an example of this (altho even soul calibur has some balance issues) in a perfect world, it would be nice to see boon's team updating deception on occasion by lisitening to player concerns about which chaarcters to nerf or boost and then issuing those changes through things like Xbox Live and Playstation Online but i dunno if that'll be the case any time soon.

wow never new flame wars could be so fun to read. anyway i look forward tto the new mk extras and fighting game engine and style of it. the story and chracters look really great and look like there developing well and like a few said im not disapointed about how mkd coming along. ill be disapointed and pissed if it actually turns out to be garbage and i wasted 60 bucks on the collletors edition. maybe the problem mk has suffered that other fighting games dont have is that mk tries to remake itself every game. mk1 was great and mk2 came and the improvements made mk2 the moat loved mk game. mk3 remade itself in good and bad ways. adding more cris graphics, music, and combo system made mk3 good but the remake in chracters and leaving out classic hurt itself which lead to the future upgrade games of umk3 and mkt. mk4/mkg was a dissapointment to fans and mkda kind of revieved mk series with the new style of play. i havent played a sf or tekken game in years so i have no idea how there fighting gameplay and engine stands up to mk bit i do lnow that doa is a weak scrubby game.

Slugunner1023 Wrote: I liked the extra's! My favorite image was the Kano's cereal! But instead of images that make fun of the characters, they should have videoes instaed like "Cooking with Scorpion" That was great!

Dude, totally! i loved that too. and that costume of scorption looked awesome!!
Anyways, the only thing MK has never done halfassed was the actual fighting. Other things started to get pretty cheap around MK3. But thats my opinion, and it will never stop me from skipping to my closest shop like a school-girl when MKD comes out. Im just as excited as the next dude about this new game, whether we face dissapointments or not. I cant WAIT to play it

Fighting back and forth, Damn you all say some good things but there are some points that were made that I do agree with. I have a real hard time thinking that all the MKDA characters are balanced. I know there are tiers, good players and weak players. BO, scorpion, kung lao are at the top of my list with a couple others coming in real close. Sonya was easy to learn and hard to beat. Cyrax oh my BAD character bat-man. Oh and I would love to see sub zero vs scorpion. Hands down Scorpion would kick some ass. He is quicker than subs and has less lag time as long as you don't throw his spear every five seconds. More low hits combos from hell and after you have played MKDA for a while you start to see who is better and why. Some players in the game are just better and there is nothing we can do about it. I just played in my last MKDA comp last Saturday and I can tell you this much, there was alot of people playing the same characters. More than half of the people there played Scorpion, others played sonya, Kung and BO. Two people played Dhramin. Lei mai made a couple of matches and there were a couple of people that played small time characters. I never saw one player use Sub Zero. He is just not comp ready. I have 100 dollars on Scorpion. DSB

dirtystankbutter Wrote: Fighting back and forth, Damn you all say some good things but there are some points that were made that I do agree with. I have a real hard time thinking that all the MKDA characters are balanced. I know there are tiers, good players and weak players. BO, scorpion, kung lao are at the top of my list with a couple others coming in real close. Sonya was easy to learn and hard to beat. Cyrax oh my BAD character bat-man. Oh and I would love to see sub zero vs scorpion. Hands down Scorpion would kick some ass. He is quicker than subs and has less lag time as long as you don't throw his spear every five seconds. More low hits combos from hell and after you have played MKDA for a while you start to see who is better and why. Some players in the game are just better and there is nothing we can do about it. I just played in my last MKDA comp last Saturday and I can tell you this much, there was alot of people playing the same characters. More than half of the people there played Scorpion, others played sonya, Kung and BO. Two people played Dhramin. Lei mai made a couple of matches and there were a couple of people that played small time characters. I never saw one player use Sub Zero. He is just not comp ready. I have 100 dollars on Scorpion. DSB

MK is far from balanced in my opinion, even in games where tiers r really important, liek smash bros, u can win with a low tier character if ur good enuff in regular play.(just not so much in tournies) In MK u can get trounced in regular friedndly competition with just absolute mismatches

LMAO... that's f*cking great... half of page 1 and pages 2-3 were simply COLGUILE, Menthol and twistedspine goin at it and bitching at eachother and flaming eachother out the ass... I think FLSTYLE was in it for a little while too, lol... f*ck, Siduu101 or w/e even jumped in, hahahah

man... just, comedy... this has to be the best goddamn thread I've ever read... simply because for 2 whole pages there is absolutely nothing to do with the topic of extras... there are plenty of threads about gameplay, 3D fighting engines, and opinions about the state of MK... but wow... haha... screw parody threads, this shit is just classic

I think you guys love this thread.It was great!

I wanna bitch at someone! Anyway, I DO think the extras will be half-assed. C'mon. They're little diversions without any meat or substance. Shallow. Shallow extras to cover up shallow gameplay. It will be the most gimmicky game every released, and people will fall for it. Well not me!... but I'm still gonna buy it anyway 'cause I promised my dawg Garlador I'd kick his ass online. So, still, I think that the extras will suck even more than the gameplay, so in a way, the extras make the gameplay look better.