IMO, adding a specific button for running would be really dumb. While I'm all for the ability to dash and/or run (lack of this made rushdown in MKDA impossible) adding another button is definitely not a good solution... the controller layout is convoluted enough as it is. MKDA used 7 buttons, still characters didn't have half the repertoire of, say, the characters in VF4 - which only uses 3 buttons.

Brunão Wrote: I can't really explain, dude... it's just that you don't keep runnig around during a fight! in a fight... you fight!! And in MK3, when you have little life and you jump back to try to save yourself, the damn cpu ran towards you and killed you with a huge s combo! Irritating! And besides, I don't think it would look real in MK:D And it kinda breaks the martial arts image, you know... you're there, fighting tae kwon do, and all of the sudden you start running?!!?!?! It just doesn't make any sense... you know what I mean, dude? But that's only my opinion... psyclobex Wrote: Brunão wrote Deception has the run button it'll KILL the game!! Can you please explain how it would kill the game i dont understand can you be specific.

I kno what u mean, it would ruin the "scene", the aesthetics of the fight.

I would like a run button... I loved to rush at the enemy with sindel and HAIR GRAB!!!! That was so cool...I'm so happy she is back SNIF SNIF

Exactly!!

kamionero Wrote: I kno what u mean, it would ruin the "scene", the aesthetics of the fight.

But would you be upset if there weren't a run abillity, caminhoneiro dude?

I read threads like this and think, Some assclown was eating popcorn chicken and sitting around spanking his one eyed brown hole robber, And thought. Hey I know what I can do instead of tuning my flute. Get online and talk about something that will raise the hairs on the back of some peoples necks......Yea! and I will do it on MKO. YOU ARE WRONG. One question to solve this. Did you play this game at E3??? No I did not think so. If you did you would not be talking out of your turd cutter. The game play was way WAY the fuck faster. Control was on. Moves were easy to pull off and that was almost three months ago. From what I have seen it looks faster and more clean than it was at E3. That makes this thread pointless. I hear gamefaqs is looking for some good threads,you should go over there. DSB

dirtystankbutter Wrote: I read threads like this and think, Some assclown was eating popcorn chicken and sitting around spanking his one eyed brown hole robber, And thought. Hey I know what I can do instead of tuning my flute. Get online and talk about something that will raise the hairs on the back of some peoples necks......Yea! and I will do it on MKO. YOU ARE WRONG. One question to solve this. Did you play this game at E3??? No I did not think so. If you did you would not be talking out of your turd cutter. The game play was way WAY the fuck faster. Control was on. Moves were easy to pull off and that was almost three months ago. From what I have seen it looks faster and more clean than it was at E3. That makes this thread pointless. I hear gamefaqs is looking for some good threads,you should go over there. DSB

If speed is the only thing that makes difference in gameplay then that's fine, but it isn't, if you can convince me other aspects of gameplay have been improved that doesn't involve you calling the the person who started this thread and proving your points with facts rather than opinions (you think the gameplay is faster is an opinion) I'll be happy.


EDIT: Here's some gameplay ideas for you to show what I mean, go through pages 20 to 25 and have a think about what MK could be.


http://www.mortalkombatonline.com/content/forum/showmessage.cds?name=mk6&message;=85840&page;=20


Hopefully you can get a better understanding of MK gameplay ideas from this.

You've just been awarded the "Dumbest Post" certificate congrats.

Sweet let me get right on that. I need to come up with some hard evidence that the game is faster, and that the games graphics have improved. So I can prove to you.....THE EXPERT.....that the game has changed for the better. And as for the dumbest post award I will take it. Opionion, Shit brother. Some of you would need the game to smack you right in the face, before you thought it had changed. I can't change the FACT that the game was played at E3 and that many of us have played the demo. I can't make you believe anything you don't want to. If you say the game is slow and the graphics have not changed at all. Then so be it. You have the right to live in D-NILE. But as for me I have played and seen the changes. So my case and point is the only reason this thread should stay open is to fight back and forth about who's opinion is right and who's is wrong. And that is just down right a waste of time. But I have a feeling you will be quick to come up with some more catchy one liners,that will lead into who is the better player and then from there the FLAMES will fly. I must go for now, but I look forward to slinging some more harsh words. And throwing Opionions around. Good Day DSB

Geez i didnt think people would get so emotional over this topic its hilarious. Its so hard to speak your mind on this board and not get flamed. I dont mind people that dont agree with me as long as there mature about it and dont go into name calling thats pretty pathetic.

You know I am sorry for name calling in my earlier posts. yes I do get emotional about this game. It's just really hard for me to sit back and listen to people talk about how the game might be bad or that things have not changed. I have to respect that it is just your opinion and that is the way you feel. I have mine and it is what i think is right. There is no right or wrong when it comes to opinions. They are all just thoughts. Besides is anything going to steer us away from buying this game and playing the crap out of it? It could come out and be down right crappy and I would still pick it up. If the older post you read is in fact true and the game is more about chess and puzzle fighter than I will be happy with that. I hope when the game comes out you will play it and like it, and maybe see some changes. If not Oh well to each his own. Laters DSB

psyclobex Wrote: Geez i didnt think people would get so emotional over this topic its hilarious. Its so hard to speak your mind on this board and not get flamed. I dont mind people that dont agree with me as long as there mature about it and dont go into name calling thats pretty pathetic.

No.... people get "emotional" about topics like because A) You are going of a video which you yourself said was old. And B) Anybodywho has played the game has already said the gameplay is a lot faster. And C) Anybody with decent eye sight can see the game is faster than MK:Da by watching the newer video's.

And all the Tekken & VF vs MK:Da stuff gets old too. Yeah, there's some good suggestions in the now ungodly large thread of "After playing VF so much MK:D looks like crap" thread. But hey guess what, this is MK, not VF.

And I'm tired of hearing that exscuse of "Hey, I'm a real MK fan, that's why I can come here and say how much it sucks!!". Derrrrr. What a lame exscuse.

Like I've said since day one.. If you don't like the game, don't buy it. I'm sure Boon will get the hint if sales drop.

I remember when Street Fighter came out then every game company known to man had their Street Fighter knock off. It looked and played exactly the same, and most even had a Ryu knock off in them. Then MK came out, every game wanted to have fatality's then. Now we actually have a diverse selection in fighters. Tekken, VF, SC, MK, they all offer a different experience. Why is it now that we get "Oh, MK isn't enough like Tekken."?

Send an E-mail to Boon telling him you are spending your money on Tekken. That would be a better way to get your point across, I would think.

Sorry if I offend anyone by this. But really, this thread is pointless and the whole Tekken and Vf thing has been beat to death.

JadeDragonMeli the thing is i dont want this game to be like tekken or a deep deep fighter.All i said is this game could be a little faster.I mention on a eairler post i hate Tekken and those kind of games. I dont want MK to be like Tekken one bit.

OK I agree with everyone especially Cmeth do you need glasses the game is alot faster. Watch the videos.

So far they added a lot more moves there now 6 special moves I believe for everyone. There probably a lot more punches and kicks making the movelist bigger. There are now combo breakers and faster gameplay. Also it says that special moves will put you in a bad position if you use it at the wrong time. Now this will make the game more realistc.

But like FLSTYLE said a lot good ideas in that other forum. Now your not gonna add all that in one game. Mainly memory space and time. Plus some of you can't understand you can come up with these good ideas but lets see you be able to make it happen.

The reason I liked MK is because it was unique more unique then anyother fighter. Now it's even bigger and more unique.

Now maybe boon and Co are keeping the good stuff under wraps. Like look at raidens video all he did was punch and combos they didn;t want to give anything away probably lol.

Also I don't think the run button would be good in 3D it was better in 2D.

Well let us all bare with midway they gameplay will improve.

psyclobex Wrote: Geez i didnt think people would get so emotional over this topic its hilarious. Its so hard to speak your mind on this board and not get flamed. I dont mind people that dont agree with me as long as there mature about it and dont go into name calling thats pretty pathetic.

Well, when you make a dumbass topic like this, saying that the gameplay is slower, when you can obviously see in videos that it is faster, you're just asking to get flamed. Use common sense. The only thing that is hilarious is you.

AberzX wrote Well, when you make a dumbass topic like this, saying that the gameplay is slower, when you can obviously see in videos that it is faster, you're just asking to get flamed. Use common sense. The only thing that is hilarious is you.

Oh really thanks for going out of your way to tell me that i didnt think people would get so bitchy if i mention a flaw that might be in the game. They cant take it and dont want to believe it its called denial.I could go off on you but im beyond that unlike some of you.

Can somebody please close this thread its not what i thought it was going to be.I expected more mature conversations when all it turn into is a flame war its to bad.The immature people have to ruin threads.

JadeDragonMeli Wrote: No.... people get "emotional" about topics like because A) You are going of a video which you yourself said was old. And B) Anybodywho has played the game has already said the gameplay is a lot faster. And C) Anybody with decent eye sight can see the game is faster than MK:Da by watching the newer video's. And all the Tekken & VF vs MK:Da stuff gets old too. Yeah, there's some good suggestions in the now ungodly large thread of "After playing VF so much MK:D looks like crap" thread. But hey guess what, this is MK, not VF. And I'm tired of hearing that exscuse of "Hey, I'm a real MK fan, that's why I can come here and say how much it sucks!!". Derrrrr. What a lame exscuse. Like I've said since day one.. If you don't like the game, don't buy it. I'm sure Boon will get the hint if sales drop. I remember when Street Fighter came out then every game company known to man had their Street Fighter knock off. It looked and played exactly the same, and most even had a Ryu knock off in them. Then MK came out, every game wanted to have fatality's then. Now we actually have a diverse selection in fighters. Tekken, VF, SC, MK, they all offer a different experience. Why is it now that we get "Oh, MK isn't enough like Tekken."? Send an E-mail to Boon telling him you are spending your money on Tekken. That would be a better way to get your point across, I would think. Sorry if I offend anyone by this. But really, this thread is pointless and the whole Tekken and Vf thing has been beat to death.

Don't confuse the name of the thread with what the thread was about, the only thing in the pages I suggested where good ideas to improve MK's gameplay, I put the link there to show DSB that speed isn't the only part of gameplay and by looking at ideas in that thread everyone else would get a better idea of how to judge the gameplay of a fighting game.

Thus far I've not even mentioned Tekken or any of the other fighters, and I haven't said whether MK was better than them or vise-visa, I was merely showing everyone ideas suggested by people on this forum that could've been used in Deception, the majority wouldn't be hard at all to implement into the game, and they were all from people from this forum, so you'd expect professionals to make even better ideas, but because they haven't been able to do anything reletively good except from fix current problems you wonder what's going on, and THAT'S were the disapointment shows.

The idea ISN'T to

voice an opinion,
compare it to another series,
or judge the game itself,

but simply to show ideas by us that could've been used, when you see so much that hasn't been improved upon, keeping in mind that MK is a fighting game, and then you see extras and puzzle kombat, it is a shame.

FLSTYLE wrote MK is a fighting game, and then you see extras and puzzle kombat, it is a shame


I agree 100 percent.

FLSTYLE Wrote: dirtystankbutter Wrote: I read threads like this and think, Some assclown was eating popcorn chicken and sitting around spanking his one eyed brown hole robber, And thought. Hey I know what I can do instead of tuning my flute. Get online and talk about something that will raise the hairs on the back of some peoples necks......Yea! and I will do it on MKO. YOU ARE WRONG. One question to solve this. Did you play this game at E3??? No I did not think so. If you did you would not be talking out of your turd cutter. The game play was way WAY the fuck faster. Control was on. Moves were easy to pull off and that was almost three months ago. From what I have seen it looks faster and more clean than it was at E3. That makes this thread pointless. I hear gamefaqs is looking for some good threads,you should go over there. DSB If speed is the only thing that makes difference in gameplay then that's fine, but it isn't, if you can convince me other aspects of gameplay have been improved that doesn't involve you calling the the person who started this thread and proving your points with facts rather than opinions (you think the gameplay is faster is an opinion) I'll be happy. EDIT: Here's some gameplay ideas for you to show what I mean, go through pages 20 to 25 and have a think about what MK could be. http://www.mortalkombatonline.com/content/forum/showmessage.cds?name=mk6&message;=85840&page;=20 Hopefully you can get a better understanding of MK gameplay ideas from this.

You do realize some people like the fighting engine how it is, and because of it being faster, they are content with it.

Oh and it's not opinion whether the game is faster or not, since it is indeed faster than MKDA. It's opinion on if the game is fast enough but not whether it is faster.

Please stop acting like everyone dislikes the engine, cause some are perfectly happy with it. Also, after not knowing half of what you could do in MK3/UMK3, I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't test out MKDA to the fullist either.

CMETH Wrote: FLSTYLE Wrote: dirtystankbutter Wrote: I read threads like this and think, Some assclown was eating popcorn chicken and sitting around spanking his one eyed brown hole robber, And thought. Hey I know what I can do instead of tuning my flute. Get online and talk about something that will raise the hairs on the back of some peoples necks......Yea! and I will do it on MKO. YOU ARE WRONG. One question to solve this. Did you play this game at E3??? No I did not think so. If you did you would not be talking out of your turd cutter. The game play was way WAY the fuck faster. Control was on. Moves were easy to pull off and that was almost three months ago. From what I have seen it looks faster and more clean than it was at E3. That makes this thread pointless. I hear gamefaqs is looking for some good threads,you should go over there. DSB If speed is the only thing that makes difference in gameplay then that's fine, but it isn't, if you can convince me other aspects of gameplay have been improved that doesn't involve you calling the the person who started this thread and proving your points with facts rather than opinions (you think the gameplay is faster is an opinion) I'll be happy. EDIT: Here's some gameplay ideas for you to show what I mean, go through pages 20 to 25 and have a think about what MK could be. http://www.mortalkombatonline.com/content/forum/showmessage.cds?name=mk6&message;=85840&page;=20 Hopefully you can get a better understanding of MK gameplay ideas from this. You do realize some people like the fighting engine how it is, and because of it being faster, they are content with it. Oh and it's not opinion whether the game is faster or not, since it is indeed faster than MKDA. It's opinion on if the game is fast enough but not whether it is faster. Please stop acting like everyone dislikes the engine, cause some are perfectly happy with it. Also, after not knowing half of what you could do in MK3/UMK3, I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't test out MKDA to the fullist either.

Well if you're perfectly happy with it that's fine but don't go moaning at people who don't agree, fans are fans no matter what their opinion is.

As for MK3, I'll admit I'm not the most expierenced 2D player, like I said there aren't arcades to practice against other people in this country and learn the kind of things you've said, but 3D is completely different, that isn't something I'm not the most expierenced player at, I have a good idea of what I'm talking about.

FLSTYLE Wrote: CMETH Wrote: FLSTYLE Wrote: dirtystankbutter Wrote: I read threads like this and think, Some assclown was eating popcorn chicken and sitting around spanking his one eyed brown hole robber, And thought. Hey I know what I can do instead of tuning my flute. Get online and talk about something that will raise the hairs on the back of some peoples necks......Yea! and I will do it on MKO. YOU ARE WRONG. One question to solve this. Did you play this game at E3??? No I did not think so. If you did you would not be talking out of your turd cutter. The game play was way WAY the fuck faster. Control was on. Moves were easy to pull off and that was almost three months ago. From what I have seen it looks faster and more clean than it was at E3. That makes this thread pointless. I hear gamefaqs is looking for some good threads,you should go over there. DSB If speed is the only thing that makes difference in gameplay then that's fine, but it isn't, if you can convince me other aspects of gameplay have been improved that doesn't involve you calling the the person who started this thread and proving your points with facts rather than opinions (you think the gameplay is faster is an opinion) I'll be happy. EDIT: Here's some gameplay ideas for you to show what I mean, go through pages 20 to 25 and have a think about what MK could be. http://www.mortalkombatonline.com/content/forum/showmessage.cds?name=mk6&message;=85840&page;=20 Hopefully you can get a better understanding of MK gameplay ideas from this. You do realize some people like the fighting engine how it is, and because of it being faster, they are content with it. Oh and it's not opinion whether the game is faster or not, since it is indeed faster than MKDA. It's opinion on if the game is fast enough but not whether it is faster. Please stop acting like everyone dislikes the engine, cause some are perfectly happy with it. Also, after not knowing half of what you could do in MK3/UMK3, I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't test out MKDA to the fullist either. Well if you're perfectly happy with it that's fine but don't go moaning at people who don't agree, fans are fans no matter what their opinion is. As for MK3, I'll admit I'm not the most expierenced 2D player, like I said there aren't arcades to practice against other people in this country and learn the kind of things you've said, but 3D is completely different, that isn't something I'm not the most expierenced player at, I have a good idea of what I'm talking about.

I didn't *moan* about the fact that he doesn't like the gameplay or what his problem is, I *moaned* about him giving false/untrue info out. The game is indeed faster whether no matetr what anyone says. Get your facts straight man.

Also, most of the time(if not all the time) when I talk about myself liking it, I usually say *I think* or *Imo*, but you state the engine being weak/lacking like it's a fact, which is why I pointed out the fact that some people are happy with it.

It is a fact that such brilliant ideas are coming from people from this forum, the professionals are supposed to do something loads better which is why they're professionals, and they're doing nothing, I think that as disapointing, not a judgement on the engine itself, I already said that in a previous post, but you started making comments on the post before it, look through that post.

FLSTYLE Wrote: It is a fact that such brilliant ideas are coming from people from this forum, the professionals are supposed to do something loads better which is why they're professionals, and they're doing nothing, I think that as disapointing, not a judgement on the engine itself, I already said that in a previous post, but you started making comments on the post before it, look through that post.

Did I ever say that the people on this forum are not giving good ideas? NO, and that has nothing to do with what were talking about.

I suggest you get your facts straight.

I get so tired of this garbage. Sure, the game plays faster, yaay, lets all jock that cock for an eternity. People say it "plays smoother"....just what the fuck is that supposed to mean 0_o. Are there neutral buffer frames? Do you actually have movement options now? Is the SS a real SS now with varying priority and properties? Please, I'm sick of the fanboy shit opinion.

There is still instant block from teching and wake up. They have only a few weeks to show us a dash, other wise it's not even going to be implemented. The juggle system is essentially the same; which was shit to begin with. Where are the properties...there are none. Just a nifty little chest slide, which does nothing but allow you to close space. I do appreciate that, though.

Run was the only major gameplay enhancement given to the MK franchise, aside from canned spam. That's if you want to call anything canned, an enhancement.

Anyone who's actually taken the time to read knows that those who advocate an emphasise on gameplay DO NOT want it to be a "Tekken." We want it to be a fighting game, imagine that. A little bit of depth will not hurt anyone but, obviously Midway and their demographic think otherwise. Maybe if peeps checked out the old stickies Ray made in the DA thread, peeps would know wtf is up.

I do appreciate the old school feel and the attention to asthetics. That's all the game is, though. Asthetics. A means for which Midway to make more money off the MK brand. Masking gameplay mechanic issues, that seriously need to be delt with, through their artists.

So, yes, it's "faster." They took out a few walking frames and a few recovery frames....that's impresive, indeed.

Satyagraha Wrote: I get so tired of this garbage. Sure, the game plays faster, yaay, lets all jock that cock for an eternity. People say it "plays smoother"....just what the fuck is that supposed to mean 0_o. Are there neutral buffer frames? Do you actually have movement options now? Is the SS a real SS now with varying priority and properties? Please, I'm sick of the fanboy shit opinion. There is still instant block from teching and wake up. They have only a few weeks to show us a dash, other wise it's not even going to be implemented. The juggle system is essentially the same; which was shit to begin with. Where are the properties...there are none. Just a nifty little chest slide, which does nothing but allow you to close space. I do appreciate that, though. Run was the only major gameplay enhancement given to the MK franchise, aside from canned spam. That's if you want to call anything canned, an enhancement. Anyone who's actually taken the time to read knows that those who advocate an emphasise on gameplay DO NOT want it to be a "Tekken." We want it to be a fighting game, imagine that. A little bit of depth will not hurt anyone but, obviously Midway and their demographic think otherwise. Maybe if peeps checked out the old stickies Ray made in the DA thread, peeps would know wtf is up. I do appreciate the old school feel and the attention to asthetics. That's all the game is, though. Asthetics. A means for which Midway to make more money off the MK brand. Masking gameplay mechanic issues, that seriously need to be delt with, through their artists. So, yes, it's "faster." They took out a few walking frames and a few recovery frames....that's impresive, indeed.

Finally someone who knows what they're talking about.

CMETH Wrote: FLSTYLE Wrote: It is a fact that such brilliant ideas are coming from people from this forum, the professionals are supposed to do something loads better which is why they're professionals, and they're doing nothing, I think that as disapointing, not a judgement on the engine itself, I already said that in a previous post, but you started making comments on the post before it, look through that post. Did I ever say that the people on this forum are not giving good ideas? NO, and that has nothing to do with what were talking about. I suggest you get your facts straight.

ok just forget it, you obviously don't understand what I'm getting at, i wasn't challenging you on the point that people give good ideas, i was using that to back up my opinion that the current effort that is being put into the gameplay is disapointing.

Which is true, because if people on here are giving good ideas, why aren't the professionals giving the same effort and acheivement? that's what i was getting at, that I'm not happy with the engine because of it's quality compared to that of the ideas being given by people here on the forum.