Even though he is dead, is there any chance we're gonna see the older (5th) Sub Zero again?
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posted06/02/2004 11:56 AM (UTC)by
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05/24/2004 03:59 AM (UTC)
I mean, so many characters died and still made it back. I mean it would be cool to have the older Sub Zero back, as long as it doesn't ruin the story.
I think I read that every character that has appeared in a MK game will appear in Konquest mode in MKD.
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DMitch
05/28/2004 01:04 AM (UTC)
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"Appear" as in we're gonna see them or actually fight them/as them.
Oh man, sorry, I really don't know.
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05/28/2004 01:36 AM (UTC)
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i hope you get to play with subzero hes been my favorite character since MK1
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05/28/2004 01:45 AM (UTC)
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Actually, I think Classic Subzero should be left behind completely. The younger Subzero is more developed, has more personality, and is simply more advanced than the original Sub.

They could revive Sub_5th from the dead, but we don't need another ninja spectre, and we certainly don't need another ice warrior.
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05/28/2004 01:47 AM (UTC)
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IMO the original subby being back would be awesome. They could use some kind of story where he escapes the neatherealm. They could also say that he has been training in the coldest plane of the neatherealm, and is now back because he is more powerful. Hmmm, he could even just re-appear out of the shadows, having a mind to take control over the lin kuei again and set them as assasins. This would be a good story IMO between the 2 brothers.

But overall, i would like to see the original subzero return.wink
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05/28/2004 02:56 AM (UTC)
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I hate seeing characters back from the dead, and the younger Sub-Zero is my favorite character. I'd HATE IT if Sub 5th came back. Play-wise, they're the same character, and personality-wise, they're pretty similar, so really, what would be the point?
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DMitch
05/28/2004 03:24 AM (UTC)
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I think it would be cool if...

1. Older Sub Zero will come back and turn against his brother and become the Grandmaster of the Lin Kuei and turn into an assassin clan...

or

2. If he comes back and both of the will be the co-grandmasters of the Lin Kuei kicking ass together...
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05/28/2004 03:44 AM (UTC)
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I personally think the older Sub-Zero is cooler (no pun intended) than the current.

I can only tolerate resurrections if it's for a very good reason and has serious impact and repercussions on the story. Perhaps, Quan Chi enslaves Sub-Zero's soul and brings him back as a bodyguard against Scorpion. It'd be interesting to see how Scorpion, the current Sub-Zero, and Sareena for that matter react and deal with that turn of events.

However, this could probably only work if the current Sub-Zero sits out whatever game this would happen in. Otherwise, two Sub-Zero's would just be repetitive.
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05/28/2004 08:51 AM (UTC)
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"I hate seeing characters back from the dead, and the younger Sub-Zero is my favorite character. I'd HATE IT if Sub 5th came back. Play-wise, they're the same character, and personality-wise, they're pretty similar, so really, what would be the point?"

hmm haven't played MK mythologies much have u?grin right from the start the huge difference has always bin made that sub 6th up 2 now has bin completely gd while sub 5th always had a sense of evil about him hence him going bk 2 the lin kuei @ the end of mythologies instead of taking raidens advice and turning gd.

the only reason the 2 sub's have seemed so similar is because of the limitations midway had with the 1st 4 games, now that the MK series has evolved and got rid of things like palette swaps it would b easy 2 make sub 5th stand out as a separate character in deception with his own story and fighting styles !!IF!! he wasn't already dead, we have 2 many ppl dyng and coming bk (ppl that i don't rly care much about) so i'd rather not have this familiar scenario happen to one of my favourites throughtout the series

leave him as he was, as a great part of MK history grin
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05/28/2004 09:09 AM (UTC)
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They should have never killed the original Sub-Zero off in the first place. It was a poor way to develope Scorpion's character at the expense of Sub-Zero, and a lazy way to come up with Scorpion's ending in MK1. Boon has done quite a few foolish things like this throughout MK's history. Very shallow, rough, and underdeveloped storylines; loose ends with scotch tape included.

Well, we can't change the past unless the powers that be hire someone competent to rewrite the whole Sub/Scorp story arch (among others). But essentially, I believe that there should only have been one Sub-Zero in MK's history. The current Sub-Zero should be the same Sub who was in MK1 and the same Sub who starred in MK: Mythologies.

Sub-Zero stars in his own self titled game and then he is killed off (according to the chronological storyline)? OMG WTF!? confused sad furious

But, since the fans won’t be getting their just desserts anytime soon, Sub-Zero's older brother should stay dead in my opinion.
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05/28/2004 10:16 AM (UTC)
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How many Sub-Zero's are there?
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tazz555
05/28/2004 01:54 PM (UTC)
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Are yiu talking about the subzero from MK1? He was resurrected once in Ultimate MK3, they even said it in his storyline.
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Wanderer
05/28/2004 02:54 PM (UTC)
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Ya know, I could be wrong, but the original Sub-Zero appears in Konquest as one of the earliest characters you meet.
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05/28/2004 06:07 PM (UTC)
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it's the other way round. fans weren't happy about sub 5th bein killed off in MK1 so midway released MK Mythologies, a game in sub 5th's past that shows wot gr8 things he has done 2 make up 4 killing him off. didn't really succeed but there u go, its not as if ne other character has there own game grin

there r 6 sub zero's. the 1st 4 have neva bin seen in a MK game they r just part of lin kuei history. the 5th is the 1 in MK1 + MK mythologies, the sub-zero in the rest of the games is the 6th sub-zero.

as with most sub 5th's story was changed in MK Trilogy and MK Trilogy's story corrects wotever differences there are in ultimate MK3 from MK3 so he wasn't resurected he just didn't die !!BUT!! none of these happened Boon + co just needed 2 give him a story so could b in the game, he actually did die and hasn't come bk as far as i no the idea of MK Trilogy was just 2 have every character in MK 1,2 and 3 in 1 game no matter wot had happened 2 them.

sub 5th mite just appear in konquest as it looks like it isn't going 2 follow a direct story concerning the characters in the main game, it seems the whole thing revolves around the character u play as.
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05/28/2004 06:16 PM (UTC)
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Wanderer Wrote:
Ya know, I could be wrong, but the original Sub-Zero appears in Konquest as one of the earliest characters you meet.


that could very well be him but from what I've read and heard so far I think its just an underling member of the Lin Kuei but you could still be right. As for classic sub-zero returning I would love that idea because storywise he was a much more complicated character than the younger Sub-Zero and some of the things Sub-Zero 6th has done makes me think he is almost too good (i.e. being too trusting of Frost amongst other things). I think Sub-Zero 5th's return would signify an awesome tension that would work storywise, especially if he wished to return the Lin Kuei to its former prestige.
I could see him returning wearing his orginal outfit except that its been torn, with pieces of it hanging off his body. He returns to the Lin Kuei secretly to find out what has occurred since he left and could effectively split the clan between those who wish to go back to the "stronger" Lin Kuei and those who wish to remain loyal to Sub-Zero 6th. This could cause great chaos amidst the clan which the Red Dragon may utilize and try to attack a divided Lin Kuei.
Move wise they could be different as well, stylistically I had a bit of a problem with sub-zero in DA because he seemed to be too bulky and his moves were a little to slow for a ninja IMO. Sub-zero 5th could be a bit faster. Special move wise he'd of course have to use the standard freeze attack but perhaps his could be more like icicles shootin out (ala MK2) rather than the ice ball. The others could be the classic ground freeze causing an opponent to slide helplessly toward him (which unless I miss my guess has not been given back to the younger Sub-Zero for some time now). His fatalities could be different as well, you can get very creative with having ice powers actually I even came up with a fatality idea for Classic Sub-Zero.
Subzero would form an icicle in his hand and throw it like a shuriken into the opponents chest, it punctures all the way through and the opponents heart is on the tip of the icicle the exited through their back. Their body would slowly freeze, the heart being the last thing to freeze. Then he could kick the body having it shatter into several pieces and catch the frozen heart in his hand. Anyway its just an idea.
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05/28/2004 07:19 PM (UTC)
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There are 6 Sub-Zeros. 1-4 never actually appeared in MK. I believe that the 4th was the father, 3rd was grandfather, 2nd was great grandfather and the 1st was the great great grandfather of the 5th and 6th Sub Zeros which are brothers. I think that the 1st Sub Zero was the founder of the Lin Kuei.

The 6th Sub Zero is the one with the scar on his right eye.
LtoDaJ2588 Wrote:
How many Sub-Zero's are there?

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05/28/2004 07:20 PM (UTC)
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There are 6 Sub-Zeros. 1-4 never actually appeared in MK. I believe that the 4th was the father, 3rd was grandfather, 2nd was great grandfather and the 1st was the great great grandfather of the 5th and 6th Sub Zeros which are brothers. I think that the 1st Sub Zero was the founder of the Lin Kuei.

The 6th Sub Zero is the one with the scar on his right eye.
LtoDaJ2588 Wrote:
How many Sub-Zero's are there?

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05/28/2004 07:40 PM (UTC)
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i think haveing classic sub-zero can work. haveing him in the mk1 duds and giveing him his own fighting style and moves can work out.

like kenshi and ermac

i would love to see Classic Sub-Zero return
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05/28/2004 08:14 PM (UTC)
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just as bad as the rumors between reiko and khan being the same person. which they are NOT but i have no proof.

i also HEARD RUMORS that smoke was the classic subzero. weird shit.

anyway we have seen the 4th 5th and 6th subzero.

i believe the 4th subzero was that red Lin Kuei
warrior, who was grandmaster in MK myths subzero.

and they didnt make MK myths to make up for killing clasic subzero where did u get that from???

they were planning on making another game with lui kang and making a game for each MK1 fighter

but subzero MK myths did so bad money wise and everybody hated it (dont know why it wasnt that bad to me besides it only had 6 levels)

but it did so bad that didnt didnt decide to make nomore games based on myths.

i really would have liked to see the other games especailly one with liu kang it would have probably shown the original kung lao on that one.

they did make jaxs game though special forces, jax sonya and kano in that one. weird how it was a shooting game with jax shooting badguys and killing them and crap, i kinda liked that game when i first played it but towards the end it got boring with the puzzles and i never completed it.
that also took place before mk1 but it had jax with his metal arms LOL.

anyway back on subject, subzero the 4th was also seen on mk myths.
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05/28/2004 08:21 PM (UTC)
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I think the older Sub Zero needs to stay dead, and think he will. Ressurecting him into the story would ruin so much, the younger Sub Zero's a far better developed character, and the Sub/Scorpion story would be rehashed. Classic Sub Zero's a decent enough character, but one I think should rest in peace, though a non canon appearance sometime could be cool.
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DMitch
05/29/2004 12:14 AM (UTC)
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What is the 5th Sub Zero comes back and helps his brother get his revenge on Frost?
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jadeskulls
05/29/2004 12:20 AM (UTC)
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Young sub-zero sucks in my opinion. He was just a direct and exact cloen of the original mk1 evil sub-zero.

I rather see the old sub back and kill his young sweet brother.
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DMitch
05/29/2004 12:23 AM (UTC)
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This could be a good idea. I mean the older Sub Zero was evil and the 6th is good and that's what he did to the Lin Kuei, made it good. Maybe if the odler Sub Zero comes back, he'll bring back the original Lin Kuei, a klan of assassins.
jadeskulls Wrote:
Young sub-zero sucks in my opinion. He was just a direct and exact cloen of the original mk1 evil sub-zero.

I rather see the old sub back and kill his young sweet brother.

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