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scorpions_harpoon
02/05/2005 02:40 AM (UTC)
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The clone was a good idea.
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Darkstar
02/05/2005 02:47 AM (UTC)
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I think i was Lui Kang that found Goro...and i really hope that shao kahn dies somehow..hopefully by someone cool like subzerowink
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02/05/2005 03:17 AM (UTC)
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I seriously hope these stories are non-canon and just for fun for the GC port. It would be SO LAME if true.
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02/05/2005 03:20 AM (UTC)
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non-canon?
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PsychoFight
02/05/2005 03:41 AM (UTC)
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Oh, just so you guys know.....

I don't think those bios are complete. They're just the first parts. They got alternate costumes, don't they?
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02/05/2005 04:04 AM (UTC)
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Im sure they do..and it will be cool because you'll see another side of them..

But what bugs the crap out of me is how raiden couldnt beat shang tsung and quan chi..i mean c'mon hes a god for cryin out loud..and im not sure why nobody else in deadly alliance could'nt have beaten them.
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02/05/2005 04:23 AM (UTC)
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These bios seem pretty generic to me. I think Vogel just said "Let's see, what's the easiest way to bring Kahn back to life? How about he cloned himself? Perfect! And Goro...Ah! Kahn found him dying, and brought him back to life to use him as an ally! Perfect, no plot holes or anything...that anyone will notice...for a couple months...or minutes...ah, fuck it. I don't get paid enough to make up something interesting and/or plausible." Let's face it, Vogel can make a more elaborate plot than Tobias could, but not quite as original.
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02/05/2005 05:23 AM (UTC)
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Eh, I wish we would stop with the comparisons between Vogel and Tobias. They BOTH made the MK universe what it is today, and Vogel follows Tobias' continuity and elaborates on it, even giving it more of a flair.

Once again, I like these stories, and I know what they;re gonna do is going to have a HUGE impact on MK7.
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02/05/2005 05:55 AM (UTC)
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personally....and i dont care if you quote me or not, as a matter of fact ill save you all the trouble and quote it myself...

Redexquisite wrote:
"It's CRAP"


the only credit i give is that they were smart enought not to say someone way in the back undetected resurrected shao kahn. But clone....not only clone but to use some ooooooooooo powerful mysterious magical toilet plunger which all of a sudden surfaces....not to mention ya know its crap coz if Khan could identically clone someone he would have done a better job on mileena when they tried to clone kitana. or if his forces were weakening why not clone more minions...oh yea coz since this magical item just appeared they still have to make up magical rules for it like...it can only be used to clone the holder or it can only be used once every 1000 years....why not clone 500 khans and have an army of khans? lol i agree with what was stated above that this was thought up in like 45 mins. or 45 secs for that. knock me if you want but there is tooooo much evidence pointing to goro dead that cant be denied.....they found him....stood by and waited until he died.....boarded him up and lowered him into lava.....

But i cant change they way Midway thinks so if you want my opinion on who goro saw.....The dragon king. A good possibility shao khan but i think it was the dragon king coz i honestly think the shokans have a tie with the dragon king from long ago so when he reived his army he revived all the dead shokan who maybe long ago used to fight for him since shokan are half dragon thus reviving Goro(even though he was cremated) Kintaro(if he was killed by raiden that is) and sheeva (if she was dead that is) and maybe goro refused to fight for the dragon king and then got manipulated by khan who somehow made goro think that noob was sent by earths forces to betray him.

Perhaps in goros coming back part of his memory was erased so he doesnt remember fighting for kitana again so that he remains evil....why do i say this??? because doent anyone find it odd that goros foes excludes Noob Saibot??? that is weird...or maybe it isnt weird because he doesnt remember and when khan manipulated goro he made goro believe that Baraka killed him for some reason that khan has planned because isnt it also odd that baraka is goro's foe and not Noob? maybe khan made goro think that baraka killed him, erased some of his memory so he doesnt remember kano's militia battle and still considers kitana a foe....sounds pretty logical.

One more thing.... i understand that liu kang is khans foe because he is in the game and raiden is his foe because he is in the game....now kitana is not in this game but is listed as his foe..........why isnt Shang Tsung and Quan Chi listed as well??? i would think he'd be pretty pissed and have them two on thee old hit list since his bio says he will "destroy all those who have opposed me" are they not listed coz they are really dead??? And a nother biggy......why isnt Goro listed as Khans ally??? that is huge that goros ally is khan but goro is not khans.....dats my word....hollla
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02/05/2005 06:07 AM (UTC)
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A clone? Okay, I can deal with that.

But now, as to the matter of Kitana's ending...everybody, say it with me...

RETCON'D
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02/05/2005 06:44 AM (UTC)
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For me, the appearances of Shao Kahn & Goro in MK: Deception are non-canon like Human Smoke & Classick Sub-Zero in UMK3 until the MKTeam say the opposite (in a specific question interview or in MK7)
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02/05/2005 06:48 AM (UTC)
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Since all the side-stories for MK Tournament Edition are considered canon, (the Teknunin!) t's safe to say these are as well.

Anyanka Wrote:
I seriously hope these stories are non-canon and just for fun for the GC port. It would be SO LAME if true.
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PsychoFight
02/05/2005 07:23 AM (UTC)
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Actually, I'll say it once again -

I think that we have just seen PART of the bios, not ALL of the bios. So, for all we know, Shao Kahn makes a clone of Goro too, and THAT Goro gets Kitana to be by his side, and be buried while the real Goro is off with Shao Kahn.
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02/05/2005 09:37 AM (UTC)
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
skein Wrote:
axeman61 Wrote:
I'm not liking this much. The stories aren't that good. If the Kahn that was murdered was a clone and Goro was simply unconscious, then there are several questions to answer, as stated earlier. Seeing as how Kahn and Goro seem to be just additions on the gamecube to compensate for online gameplay loss though, I wouldn't worry about it. Still, a bit interesting.

Who was dumped into Kuatan Palace if it wasn't Goro? Was that a decoy corpse found?

well Kitanas ending didn't hapen coz she got under the control of the DK so i think no one was droped in the lava and no corpse was found


When you buy the Kuatan Palce in Deception if you read the stage description it says Kitana attended Goro's funeral.
But more importantly, Kitana's MK:DA Konquest specifically said after they found Goro she stayed by his side until he passed away.

I wonder though how seriously we should take Goro's "Allies/Foes" list. Remember Sub-Zero is listed as one of Scorpion's foes and they have nothing to do with each other anymore.


ups sorry i haven't got a MKD or any console to know that
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Juergen
02/05/2005 11:36 AM (UTC)
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yeah so finally the real ruler of Mortal Kombat (Shao Kahn) has returned!!!

I think this was intended for the PS2 and XBOX but due to time constraints, blah, blah, blah, blah....

That is why it is called Mortal Kombat Deception. Because Shao Kahn deceived everyone else including Onaga!! Onaga is a weakling.

end of story...
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02/05/2005 11:43 AM (UTC)
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redexquisite Wrote:
personally....and i dont care if you quote me or not, as a matter of fact ill save you all the trouble and quote it myself...

Redexquisite wrote:
"It's CRAP"


the only credit i give is that they were smart enought not to say someone way in the back undetected resurrected shao kahn. But clone....not only clone but to use some ooooooooooo powerful mysterious magical toilet plunger which all of a sudden surfaces....not to mention ya know its crap coz if Khan could identically clone someone he would have done a better job on mileena when they tried to clone kitana. or if his forces were weakening why not clone more minions...oh yea coz since this magical item just appeared they still have to make up magical rules for it like...it can only be used to clone the holder or it can only be used once every 1000 years....why not clone 500 khans and have an army of khans? lol i agree with what was stated above that this was thought up in like 45 mins. or 45 secs for that. knock me if you want but there is tooooo much evidence pointing to goro dead that cant be denied.....they found him....stood by and waited until he died.....boarded him up and lowered him into lava.....

But i cant change they way Midway thinks so if you want my opinion on who goro saw.....The dragon king. A good possibility shao khan but i think it was the dragon king coz i honestly think the shokans have a tie with the dragon king from long ago so when he reived his army he revived all the dead shokan who maybe long ago used to fight for him since shokan are half dragon thus reviving Goro(even though he was cremated) Kintaro(if he was killed by raiden that is) and sheeva (if she was dead that is) and maybe goro refused to fight for the dragon king and then got manipulated by khan who somehow made goro think that noob was sent by earths forces to betray him.

Perhaps in goros coming back part of his memory was erased so he doesnt remember fighting for kitana again so that he remains evil....why do i say this??? because doent anyone find it odd that goros foes excludes Noob Saibot??? that is weird...or maybe it isnt weird because he doesnt remember and when khan manipulated goro he made goro believe that Baraka killed him for some reason that khan has planned because isnt it also odd that baraka is goro's foe and not Noob? maybe khan made goro think that baraka killed him, erased some of his memory so he doesnt remember kano's militia battle and still considers kitana a foe....sounds pretty logical.

One more thing.... i understand that liu kang is khans foe because he is in the game and raiden is his foe because he is in the game....now kitana is not in this game but is listed as his foe..........why isnt Shang Tsung and Quan Chi listed as well??? i would think he'd be pretty pissed and have them two on thee old hit list since his bio says he will "destroy all those who have opposed me" are they not listed coz they are really dead??? And a nother biggy......why isnt Goro listed as Khans ally??? that is huge that goros ally is khan but goro is not khans.....dats my word....hollla


maybe kitana is the question mark.....
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02/05/2005 03:42 PM (UTC)
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
skein Wrote:
axeman61 Wrote:
I'm not liking this much. The stories aren't that good. If the Kahn that was murdered was a clone and Goro was simply unconscious, then there are several questions to answer, as stated earlier. Seeing as how Kahn and Goro seem to be just additions on the gamecube to compensate for online gameplay loss though, I wouldn't worry about it. Still, a bit interesting.

Who was dumped into Kuatan Palace if it wasn't Goro? Was that a decoy corpse found?

well Kitanas ending didn't hapen coz she got under the control of the DK so i think no one was droped in the lava and no corpse was found


When you buy the Kuatan Palce in Deception if you read the stage description it says Kitana attended Goro's funeral.
But more importantly, Kitana's MK:DA Konquest specifically said after they found Goro she stayed by his side until he passed away.

I wonder though how seriously we should take Goro's "Allies/Foes" list. Remember Sub-Zero is listed as one of Scorpion's foes and they have nothing to do with each other anymore.


So, IF Goro is still evil and IF he did NOT die, we can all assume that Kitana’s entire storyline (or most of it) from MKG (Goro’s alliance) and MKDA (his death, etc) and conquest is false.

It would be the only logical explanation.

Im liking the bios, they seem interesting. The clone idea for Shao Kahn is cool. I did expect a fake Kahn when they killed him in MKDA, but not a self clone like Quan Chi in MKG.

The bios are both cool, I only hope they explain more clearly everything that contradicts other stories. For now, my guess is that even some BIOS are not to be trusted, not just endings.

The only logical explanation to all this would be that Kitana’s plot never happened.
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02/05/2005 05:18 PM (UTC)
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queve Wrote:
XiahouDun84 Wrote:
skein Wrote:
axeman61 Wrote:
I'm not liking this much. The stories aren't that good. If the Kahn that was murdered was a clone and Goro was simply unconscious, then there are several questions to answer, as stated earlier. Seeing as how Kahn and Goro seem to be just additions on the gamecube to compensate for online gameplay loss though, I wouldn't worry about it. Still, a bit interesting.

Who was dumped into Kuatan Palace if it wasn't Goro? Was that a decoy corpse found?

well Kitanas ending didn't hapen coz she got under the control of the DK so i think no one was droped in the lava and no corpse was found


When you buy the Kuatan Palce in Deception if you read the stage description it says Kitana attended Goro's funeral.
But more importantly, Kitana's MK:DA Konquest specifically said after they found Goro she stayed by his side until he passed away.

I wonder though how seriously we should take Goro's "Allies/Foes" list. Remember Sub-Zero is listed as one of Scorpion's foes and they have nothing to do with each other anymore.


So, IF Goro is still evil and IF he did NOT die, we can all assume that Kitana’s entire storyline (or most of it) from MKG (Goro’s alliance) and MKDA (his death, etc) and conquest is false.

It would be the only logical explanation.

Im liking the bios, they seem interesting. The clone idea for Shao Kahn is cool. I did expect a fake Kahn when they killed him in MKDA, but not a self clone like Quan Chi in MKG.

The bios are both cool, I only hope they explain more clearly everything that contradicts other stories. For now, my guess is that even some BIOS are not to be trusted, not just endings.

The only logical explanation to all this would be that Kitana’s plot never happened.


I really hope that's not the case. I mean undoing endings and what-ifs is one thing, but just flat out ignoring an entire storylne is just fucking retarded if you ask me.
Christ, first we pretend Scorpion never vowed to protect Sub-Zero. Then Johnny Cage never died, it was all somehow just his movie. Now Goro never died.
What next? Mileena never died? It was all just a dream? Hell, why stop there? Maybe Liu Kang never died either? It was all an illusion!
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02/05/2005 06:23 PM (UTC)
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Yeah, see, this is exactly what I'm talking about. These stories are not only paper thin and stupid but Goro's doesn't even follow the storyline that they've put into their freaking game a dozen times over. Any tiny bit of respect that I may have once had for Vogel's writing is completely gone now. These bios are just lame.
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Juergen
02/05/2005 07:02 PM (UTC)
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well these maybe spoilers

Notice how they redid Noob-Smoke's Bio on the website? It says

Allies: United

Foes: Sub Zero, Sektor

(Maybe Sektor is in the game)

Shao Kahn's Bio: Shinnok's Amulet. That's why Onaga could not fuse the Kamidogu into one, since the one Onaga has is the fake one.

Also Goro's last person he wanted to see could be Motaro, Shao Kahn, Shang Tsung, Kintaro, or Kung Lao, or Liu Kang...
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02/05/2005 08:19 PM (UTC)
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Well Kahn's being still alive was to be expected. Alot of people wanted him back, more than even Goro or Liu Kang.

The 2 most mentioned theories about Kahn still being alive where that either he used a decoy to escape his many enemies closing around him, or that he merely was beaten into a coma by that DA and not killed. It only makes since that Midway would go with the clone plotline. Its an excuse Kahn's fans made up for them.

As for Havik's ending they don't really need to change it at all. Havik only revived the clone to spread more choas to outworld, and even if he was aware that this Kahn was a impostor do you think he'd care? An imposter Shao Kahn fighting over outworld's throne with Onaga and the real Kahn would have massive potential for spreading choas and destruction.

As for Goro I agree with some of you that his new story is a bit sketchy. Hopefully his alt bio will give more explaination was he's suddenly had a change of heart and turned evil again. Make my wonder if this Goro is just a clone Kahn has made for back-up, and the orginal Goro took the lava bath seen in Kitana's DA ending. Of course nothing so far presented by Midway has confirmed that ending as cannon.

I'm thinking Goro and Kahn's bios are just as cannon as any of the other extended version of MK made by midway. They modified the story of MK3, MK4, and MKDA with UMK3, MK Gold, and MKTE so its not like this hasn't happened before.
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02/06/2005 03:56 AM (UTC)
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Actually, upon reconsideration, Kitana's MKDA ending is irrelevant. Since she died immediately after DA and went into the service of Onaga, no one ever took a lava bath. She couldn't have been there for the funeral. Her ending just didn't happen.

Her bio could be taken to state that she THOUGHT Goro was dead, but after she left to fight the DA, he regained consciousness.

It actually works, kinda.
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02/06/2005 05:38 AM (UTC)
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I agree..its possible that some endings in DA didnt happen. Like Kung lao's, Kitana's, and the two sorcerers. but it bothers me that shao kahn is still alive because in all the games he dies.
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02/06/2005 11:29 AM (UTC)
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how come noone even considered that Goro, when mortally wounded, was saved/resurrected (maybe he had died already) by Havik/Kabal, who had Dragon King's power?

And, even if Goro saw someone else - there's no telling Havik's ending did happen. For all we (which includes you) know, Havik might've been killed himself.

And, yeah, Kitana's ending is not to be relied upon. We know she didn't win MK V. She died (and was resurrected by the DK).

And what about this The One thing? All the realms One. I think that's what the next story will be based upon.
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02/06/2005 11:46 AM (UTC)
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read my other post about kahn's ending........from the thread that says, what is kahn's bio??
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