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Imagine people’s reactions: A Mk game with ONLY New characters…I think the Originals of Mk should last till the end of the series.
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posted04/21/2004 09:05 PM (UTC)by
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Time for a new generation? Time for New characters and already kill all the past classic characters (Mk1, Mk2, Mk3)?

Well, I for one now that wont work. Look at people’s reactions with characters like Li Mei, Tanya, Ninjas, Frost, Mavado, etc. Even though some are not, people complain saying they are all clones from originals.

Now we have Ashrah and we have already seen posts of people saying she is another boring clone, another god, another Rayden! They don’t even give her a chance.

So, just imagine a new game with NO character from the past games, all new. People will start to compare and complain saying:

“That’s a rip off of this”
“That one has the specials of this”
“This one just copied him”
“This one is exactly like her”

And I can just imagine peoples reaction if we have ONLY new ninjas and no ninja from the past. So the point is:

Many seem to agree that the Originals from Mk1 are important elements of the game and characters that brought the essence to the Mk world. Classics that should not be overlooked or forgotten. Characters that make Mk be Mk.

What I think is: some can take some time off for a game, some already died which is enough (Liu Kang, Goro, Sub-Zero) but we still have the others that remain alive: Scorpion, Rayden, Sonya, Johnny, Reptile, Shang Tsung, Kano.

What I'm saying is, Mk would not be a Mk game with out them. I think those characters should end with the series. For example, there are many who want Johnny Cage dead as much as alive, well, why not take him out of a game but keep him alive and let his life or mission end in the final showdown.

But apart from those, there are a few classics from Mk2 and Mk3 that should also stay. Like Kitana (does she count as a classic?), Mileena, Baraka, Kabal and Sindel just to name a few fan faves.
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 •04/11/2004 10:48 PM (UTC) •
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Agreed. I do like new characters to though, but i think the originals will always be better. MK had the "touch" then. They really need to work on new characters, and i still want new ones, but at the same time, keep some old ones.

And i dont mind anyone returning, but for the love of god, please kill off johnny.
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•04/11/2004 10:51 PM (UTC) •
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Great thread Queve! I've said it before and I'll say it again. The characters in MK1 started the series and the series should end with them!

the classics are important! An MK game without them isn't going to do well. People buy fighting games like MK because of the familiar faces. Street Fighter wouldn't be the same without Ryu or Ken would it?

I agree that many have been saying that new characters are clones, but in the end you need to give these characters a chance to shine. Their clone images will in time be shed aside as their true character comes into play. Frost is a good example.


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 •04/12/2004 10:50 AM (UTC) •
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Yeah that would be crazy furious

Many people have a first reaction of seeing the "clone" characters and can never get over it. That was my first reaction to Frost but now I don't think she is that bad.

New characters breath new life into a story which otherwise would bore us. That's why I like them but now characters looks and moves can completely change from a classic MK to Next Gen Console MK. The conversion is through 3D. It is always good to see one of your old favourites come back though.
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 •04/12/2004 11:35 AM (UTC) •
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First i agree about those classics. MK is not MK without some of them, i think they should never kill off any character. It's okay if some of them skip a game or two but there must always be a chance to bring some of them back in another MK game. Just look at the return of Mileena, Baraka, Sindel and Ermac. It comes as a huge surprise and that is great. They cant do that if they kill them off.

I don't mind new characters. As a mather of fact i welcome them, but they have to be original in every way possible. A good example of the way i don't want them to be is Jarrek. He was new, he was from the same clan as Kano, but then they give him some of the same moves as Kano. Dont give characters moves that belong to someone else, that way people only gonne compare them and they can never be better then the original. I'm only saying that new characters should have new moves. The thing with Frost is that she had her own unique moves so she is okay.

Finaly i think that Mileena, Kitana, and Baraka belong to those classics. Actually MK2 was the biggest succes of them all and i think all of the MK1 and MK2 characters belong to the classics, even some of the MK3 characters may be part of them like Sindel, Kabal an Cyrax. And i think in time some of the MKDA chracters like Frost, Kenshi and maybe even Li Mei will become classics too.

I cant wait to know who those remaining three classics are who will return in MKD.
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 •04/13/2004 01:00 AM (UTC) •
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spike81 Wrote:
First i agree about those classics. MK is not MK without some of them, i think they should never kill off any character. It's okay if some of them skip a game or two but there must always be a chance to bring some of them back in another MK game. Just look at the return of Mileena, Baraka, Sindel and Ermac. It comes as a huge surprise and that is great. They cant do that if they kill them off.

I don't mind new characters. As a mather of fact i welcome them, but they have to be original in every way possible. A good example of the way i don't want them to be is Jarrek. He was new, he was from the same clan as Kano, but then they give him some of the same moves as Kano. Dont give characters moves that belong to someone else, that way people only gonne compare them and they can never be better then the original. I'm only saying that new characters should have new moves. The thing with Frost is that she had her own unique moves so she is okay.

Finaly i think that Mileena, Kitana, and Baraka belong to those classics. Actually MK2 was the biggest succes of them all and i think all of the MK1 and MK2 characters belong to the classics, even some of the MK3 characters may be part of them like Sindel, Kabal an Cyrax. And i think in time some of the MKDA chracters like Frost, Kenshi and maybe even Li Mei will become classics too.

I cant wait to know who those remaining three classics are who will return in MKD.


I agree!

Exactly my point.

What Tgrant says is also very true, we need the originals, Mk is just not Mk without them.

Look at people complaining about New characters being too much like old. I say it will be a horrible mistake to kill the main originals.

Frost was first treated horribly when she actually ended up being nothing like Sub, so is Mavado, Jarek (well, true), Tanya (well, true again) and others
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 •04/13/2004 01:06 AM (UTC) •
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A MK game with only new charcters wouldnt be too good unless the new charcters are better than the old ones.Look at Street Fighter III it has alot of new charcters.The only old charcters in SFIII were Ryu,Ken,Akuma and Chun-Li.I never played SFIII before but I heard it was pretty good and all it needs is the old SFII cast.
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 •04/13/2004 01:11 AM (UTC) •
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Drfatality Wrote:
A MK game with only new charcters wouldnt be too good unless the new charcters are better than the old ones.Look at Street Fighter III it has alot of new charcters.The only old charcters in SFIII were Ryu,Ken,Akuma and Chun-Li.I never played SFIII before but I heard it was pretty good and all it needs is the old SFII cast.


Exactly my point! smile

BTW dude, it never worked. It wont let me log in.
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 •04/13/2004 04:58 AM (UTC) •
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there are some characters that just CANT be killed off if MK is to survive.

Raiden, scorpion, sub zero, cage, kano, kung lao, baraka, shang tsung to name a few.
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 •04/13/2004 05:40 AM (UTC) •
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Yes Iam one who will always want Johnny Cage alive.He was there from the start.He is the only good guy out there for super hereo status.So cool.
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 •04/14/2004 01:08 AM (UTC) •
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Johnny Cage is cool and I agree he should last till the end.
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 •04/14/2004 01:29 AM (UTC) •
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So, Make a Prequel MK.

Plenty of New Characters. Make it before MK 1. When Goro was champ.

This would be the roster, and why.

Characters we know:
o) Goro-The Champ at the time, and people still like him alot.
o) Kung Lao-The Original who kicked Goro's ass.
o) Shang Tsung-The Older version.
o) Sub Zero-The Original Sub Zero, Number one, working for Tsung. ( His brother was hired to kill Tsung.)
o) Raiden-Of course, he's here.

New Characters:
o) Ninja Character-Basic Shurikens,and sword.
o) 4-6 other characters

I dunno, You guys tell me.
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 •04/14/2004 01:42 AM (UTC) •
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Queve you are so righ about this. People would probably trash all of the new characters saying they're boring clones with no originality. This. Li Mei was a perfect example of this, and i have to admit I was also one of the people hating her because I felt she was a rip off of Mileena, however, having gotten some time to get used to her and learn her, I have since changed my opinion. This doesn't change the fact that my first impressions of her, without even really playing her was to say "She sucks, She's a rip off" I think a lot of people tend to take this attitude with new characters *At the beginning* I mean lets face it, it's human nature to not adjust to change well. Most people like familiarity and tend to reject anything new. However once people break down a little and decide to give the new editions a proper chance (Like me) they find they were wrong and change their minds. So I think an MK game with a completely new cast would really not be recieved well at all, at first. Just my take on the subject. smile
Also you are right that No MK should be without at least a few of the Originals, and the series began with them it should end with them, though I really hope that isn't for a very long time. wink
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 •04/14/2004 04:14 AM (UTC) •
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I think already seeing the reaction to having people like Tanya instead of Kitana and other favorites in Deception is enough, thanks! lol
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 •04/14/2004 06:44 AM (UTC) •
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I’d like to see a MK0 game which takes place at the tournament Goro Kills the original Kung Lao, that way pretty much all the characters could be new and only have a hand full of familiar faces with a few ancestor type characters from ones currently in the game. It’d be good to see a young Raiden, Goro & Shang Tsung + the original Kung Lao. Perhaps even Subzero number 1 and whoever that guy was that defected from the Lin Kuei to start his own clan could be in the game, they’d start as the best of friends and end with a dramatic split. If they could pull this off with an amazing storyline that sets up the MK series it would be awesome.

Sorry I know I got well off the main point.
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 •04/14/2004 06:51 AM (UTC) •
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I honestly think for the final game, all the classics should be in it. Hell, all of the characters from all games maybe. It won't happen until the X-Box 2, The PS-3, and The N-5 are out, but hell, If they took five years, and designed the best mortal kombat ever, I'd be all for it.

However, to stay on the subject, Liu Kang should come back in the seventh or eigth instalment. I consider the 7 characters from Mortal Kombat 1 and the 7 new playable characters (Shang Tsung and Reptile included) in MK 2 to be the holy 14. If I had my way, those guys would be in every game, or atleast every other one.
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 •04/14/2004 06:03 PM (UTC) •
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Exactly how I think.

But actually, I have seen lots of threads of people liking Tanya, and I have discovered she is actually liked by the same amount of people who hate her.

Im one that is more then happy to see her insted of Kitana.

About classics, you are 100% correct. The main characters:

Scorpion, Sub-Zero, Sonya, Raiden, J. Cage, Reptile, Shang Tsung, Kano and (if he is alive in anyform) Liu Kang should stay till the end.
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 •04/16/2004 08:21 PM (UTC) •
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I agree!

What kind of Mk game will take all the originals away!!!??
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 •04/16/2004 08:40 PM (UTC) •
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Frankly, I think that Midway needs to start thinking about another franchise fighter. Not to replace MK, but something new and fresh. MK will always be here, as long as it brings in profit. I simply think it's time for something new, something deeper, something different. There is only so much one can do with-in the MK spectrum.

Fanboys have these certain expectations of what "MK should be." If these expectations are tampered with then the spectrum of MK becomes disoriented with-in the minds of players. In order to truely bring something fresh, Midway needs to start something fresh, not develope upon a decade plus of MK.

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 •04/17/2004 03:05 PM (UTC) •
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Satyagraha Wrote:
Frankly, I think that Midway needs to start thinking about another franchise fighter. Not to replace MK, but something new and fresh. MK will always be here, as long as it brings in profit. I simply think it's time for something new, something deeper, something different. There is only so much one can do with-in the MK spectrum.

Fanboys have these certain expectations of what "MK should be." If these expectations are tampered with then the spectrum of MK becomes disoriented with-in the minds of players. In order to truely bring something fresh, Midway needs to start something fresh, not develope upon a decade plus of MK.

Peace and love ya'll.


NO WAY!!!!

Well, I think Mk should live forever.
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 •04/17/2004 03:15 PM (UTC) •
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if they kill raiden or sub or scorpion off


i will never buy the game again
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•04/17/2004 05:06 PM (UTC) •
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if they kill raiden or sub or scorpion off


i will never buy the game again


you have both Sub-Zero and Scorpion back. Raiden is nowhere to be seen yet and i'm sorry to break this to you but he may well be tdead. the MK Team have a vid of Raidne being killed by the Deadly Alliance. Whether they will be using it for the intro yet is uknown.

If they kill Raiden, I'll be pissed off!
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 •04/18/2004 07:12 PM (UTC) •
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tgrant Wrote:

thatguy Wrote:
if they kill raiden or sub or scorpion off


i will never buy the game again

you have both Sub-Zero and Scorpion back. Raiden is nowhere to be seen yet and i'm sorry to break this to you but he may well be tdead. the MK Team have a vid of Raidne being killed by the Deadly Alliance. Whether they will be using it for the intro yet is uknown.

If they kill Raiden, I'll be pissed off!


I sure hope that does not happen!!!! Killing Rayden would actually be a major twist, but no thank you, he is too popular to die just like that.
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•04/18/2004 07:38 PM (UTC) •
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Exactly Queve! Raiden dying would be shocking, but it shouldn't happen!
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 •04/18/2004 09:50 PM (UTC) •
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I think the only way to bring new characters is to do MK 0. It would take 500 years (or whatever the time is until the next tournament) b4 mk1 so we'll have almost all new characters except for maybe rayden and goro
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