Is Sub-Zero dead? *spoilers*
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posted01/03/2005 09:18 PM (UTC)by
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JK_Jackel
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12/28/2004 09:30 PM (UTC)
I completed MkD with Noob-Smoke and they seem to kill Sub-Zero. So I was wondering do you think this is true or is it one of those 'it says in the ending but isn't actuly true'.
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12/28/2004 09:46 PM (UTC)
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Remember, the endings tie into each other. There are too many endings that support the theory of the good guys winning. And hell, how could be the most potent earthrealm warrior at the time be killed so easily, even by his former brother and friend?
Pros: -noob-smokes ending
Contras: -Sub-Zeros, Kenshis ending. Hotarus ending contradicts at least minimally Noob-Smokes. It is stated only in Noobs ending.
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That ending is a variation for Noob winning. However, it DOES STATE that Sub-Zero is actually Noobs little brother (Noob was the older Sub-Zero)
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12/29/2004 12:01 AM (UTC)
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To me this is what happened about Sub-Zero and Noob Saibot ending
Sub-Zero was trying to back to Earth Realm along with Kenshi. They are followed by Hotaru, that attacked with a light attack. Kenshi defeated Hotaru and they continue in the journey.
And so it has the attack of the Tarkata horde. Sub-Zero was surrounded by them and began the attack. It looks that the armor that Sub-Zero was using gave him power to fight them. Sub-Zero probably win.
I dont know when Noob Saibot and Sub-Zero meet. Probably after the battle against the tarkata. Well so Noob capture Sub-Zero with the help of Smoke.
But so we have the ending of Ashrah. I think that her ending happen too. Maybe Ashrah saved Sub-Zero from the attack, challenging Noob while Smoke was malfunctioning.
After that, only a mistery.
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12/29/2004 03:45 AM (UTC)
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Your story falls short at the beginning, though. After the first part, Why is Kenshi no longer with Sub when the whorde attacks. Do they split up, and if so, when? :/
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12/29/2004 03:45 AM (UTC)
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Your story falls short at the beginning, though. After the first part, Why is Kenshi no longer with Sub when the whorde attacks. Do they split up, and if so, when?
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12/29/2004 04:01 AM (UTC)
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if noob and smoke did take sub-zero to the netherrealm then does that mean that Sub-Zero has some evil in him? smoke had trouble adjusting himself yet most of him when he was "good" was gone. i don't thing Noob and Smoke took Sub-Zero to the netherrealm. i also don't think Kenshi's ending happens. i believe that when Hotaru was stalking them Dairou had found Hotaru and fought and killed him. i believe the tarkatas were the ones that were stalking Sub-Zero and Kenshi then maybe somehow got them seperated then fought them one at a time but Sub-Zero defeated them all. this is all just speculation and we won't find out what the truth is until MK7 comes out but it is still fun to speculate.
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12/29/2004 04:29 AM (UTC)
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I believe that something like this may have happened:
-Sub-Zero and Kenshi are ambushed by Hotaru, but Kenshi's powers were a bit more than expected, so Sub-Zero and Kenshi finally get a 2 on 1 advantage over Hotaru, which is then evened up when Dairou helps his former ally, and we have ourselves a little tag team action with Sub-Zero & Kenshi vs. Hotaru & Dairou, in which Kenshi is killed. Like it or not I see no purpose for his character in MK7, especially with Ermac now as an ally of Earthrealm, which I believe he'll remain even with Shao Kahn likely to be in the next game. He may turn evil, but I'd prefer it if he was one of the top Earthrealm fighters.
-Sub-Zero manages to escape while Dairou confronts Hotaru about his mission to kill Hotaru. Dairou cannot go through with it, though, and the two part ways, with Hotaru again in search of Sub-Zero and Dairou with the intention of handing over the documents he was sent to steal to Darrius.
-Hotaru watches Sub-Zero fight off against the Tarkatan warriors, and to his surprise, Sub-Zero actually wins. This is where Hotaru first wavers. He sees a sense of order in Sub-Zero, and he believes he could make a good ally. Regardless, Hotaru attacks Sub-Zero and manages to take him back to Onaga's fortress, where he is about to execute the Lin Kuei Grand Master, when Liu Kang, Ermac, Shujinko, Sindel, Jade, Kitana, Sonya, Johnny Cage, Jax, Kung Lao and Scorpion confront Onaga. Shujinko uses their power to smash the Kamidogu, and to defeat Onaga once and for all.
-Hotaru sees order in these Earthrealm fighters, and he follows Shujinko (who he presumes is the leader of the mortals). He watches as Raiden gives a speech on bringing order to his ranks and the realms, which Hotaru admires. Hotaru watches as Raiden sends Shujinko to The Heavens with an array of spectacular electricity.
From this we get Hotaru as an ally of such to Earthrealm in MK7, and keeps Sub-Zero alive.
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12/29/2004 04:40 AM (UTC)
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wow that was good
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Shang_heihachi
12/29/2004 08:55 AM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero's 'ending' is just a rehash of what is in Kenshi's bio. Sub-Zero is ambushed by the Tarkata before he even finds Kenshi. That's why Kenshi notices that Sub-Zero's armor is damaged.
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MKRAYDEN
12/29/2004 10:28 AM (UTC)
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i am very confused ): about Sub-zero Story some people say older sub-zero and noob are same person some says some says sub-zero killed by sub-zero
What is actully story of Sub-Zero and Noob
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mindripper
12/29/2004 11:27 AM (UTC)
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Firstly, we will never know til mk7, but i doubt it. I do not think that NS killed sub. I also do not believe that kenshi was killed.. I am not sure if sub's endin is a rehash of kenshi's bio. It could be a mistake on midway's part, as in they accidentally revealed a spoiler. I doubt that noob and smoke even meet up with sub. ashrah's endin could fit in but i doubt it. As in mkda none of us saw the deaths and defeart of the good guys comin at all, and this shows that some endings which are perfectly plausible are just thrown right out of the window. Now besides frost's demise, which i doubt as i think we will see her again, either after she defrosts or becomes a shade, which is cool, i doubt any deaths are revealed in the endings. Shujinko's death seems more likely than sub's, and in any case it is a doubt as to whether raiden succeeded. That guy has a low ratio of success it seems. Failed in mythologies and might as well have condemned sub zero to wraithood, fails perenially to get anythin out of the elder gods, fails to win any mk tourney, fails to stop the DA and prob fails to kill shujinko. Nothin against raiden, who i think is very cool, but i doubt shujinko is gonna die so easy. If shuj does not die, it is even less likely that NS' endin comes true... Especially when so much more can be squeezed out of the subzero, sareena, ashrah, scorpion, noob, smoke and possibly quanchi story axis. No way midway passes that up.
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12/29/2004 12:04 PM (UTC)
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dont worry bout that hes dead ,scorpion and subzero are ed boons favorite characters ,he will be ressurected or his brother wil come in the next mk...........glasses
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12/29/2004 12:20 PM (UTC)
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1. Sub-Zero buries Frosts seemingly dead body in the catacombs.
2. Sub-Zero finds the armors main parts (damaged?) and wears it.
3. Sub-Zero is cought in a fight with the tarkatas, and only then does his armor first help him, this power allows the grandmaster to destroy the ambush group.
4. He meets up with Kenshi, who is seriously injured. Sub-Zero who is seemingly trained in medical ways helps him out. Both of them are exhausted.
5. Hotaru is sent to destroy Sub-Zero and a long even fight starts. Sub-Zero wins with the intervention of Kenshi.
6. Sub-Zero Heads back to Earth after Shujinko destroyed the Kamidogus. he was near the actual battle but does not participated in it.
7. Sub-Zero may have encountered Noob-Smoke on the way, but hell, couldn't Kenshi help him out there? What about Ashrah too? And not to mention the fact that in Noobs ending he was facing them alone?
Too many endings suggest that either Sub-Zero made it back in one piece to Earth, or he got involved in a battle, but hasn't been killed.
Why was the armor damaged? Explain this please.
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MKRAYDEN
12/29/2004 01:14 PM (UTC)
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Hmm! my friend can u tell what is the story of Kamidogus?
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mindripper
12/29/2004 01:20 PM (UTC)
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sub is not going to die at all.. i can almost assure u of that.
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12/29/2004 01:31 PM (UTC)
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The kamidogus are the separate parts of the weapon which the Elder Gods used to destroy and banish the one Being. They took the weapon apart, and created magical properties for each part alongside with an amulet which could merge theese weapons. Apparently this amulet is also the key to Onagas power and army.
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mindripper
12/30/2004 03:15 AM (UTC)
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Chrome is right. And that amulet was the one quanchi dropped in his haste to escape raiden's ethereal blast, if he managed to escape....
Subzer, if u all realised, is being given what we would call a push in wrestling terms. Anyone who knows their mk knows that he has not lost a single fight since scorpion at mk4. in mk5 he was on his way to rendezvous with the rest of the team but was betrayed by frost before he could get there. And yes, that team he was on his way to meet got slaughtered by the DA, their bad guys like kano and such, and their minions. You can see their bodies on the steps leading up to the castle in the intro video of mkd... IN mkd, as chrome has said, he buries frost, learns a lil bout his lineage, contemplates that he and frost could have been related in some way, finds a set of armour(could be dk's armour cos there is no armour in the sarcophagus), dons it and leaves. meets upo with tartakans. defeats them easily, but without the help of his armour this time. Hotaru learns of this and takes it upon himself to defeat subzero. He meets up with subzero and is defeated, although not before at least causin sub some form of distress, with his armour showing battle stress. Sub then meets up with kenshi, who is sorely wounded, a result of a losin battle with mavado.. Sub uses his kori healin abilities to help kenshi get off his feet and the two quickly become allies. His latent psychic abilities sense that a presence, probably the one which subzero claimed to have defeated, was tracking them. One night, as the two stop to rest, hotaru springs out and sets of a light burst, blindin sub for the moment. Kenshi feels no such effects and drives off hotaru, with or without sub's help. They then run into a huge horde of tartakans, left there by baraka as he deals with mileena. They prob get seperated in the fracas and it seems that sub was outnunbered and was goingt o be killed. he had no way to escape and there was now ay he was going to be able to kill all the tartakans before they killed him. Like his brother before him, he embraced death and killed as many of the tartakans before they could take him down. Only for his armour to intervene and augment his abilities as well as give guidance. Sub defeats the tartakans with his armour. Whether ashrah's story ties in tofgether with noob and smoke's i have no idea. I personally doubt it. What prob happened is that noob was sneakin around and chanced upon sub zero. He most prob had a vague recollection but returned to the netherrealm to ask smoke about what he had jsut seen. He realises that sub is his younger brother and noob takes it upon himself to "meet up" with his brother, when ashrah prob attacks. the rest you all know
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Jab316
12/30/2004 03:33 AM (UTC)
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We need a MK book
i dont like books but i would definetly read the MKBook for its great storys
The storys are all amazing
but i doubt it that sub zero died......altho i do hope kenshi & hotaro die & never come back smile
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12/30/2004 03:47 AM (UTC)
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ill let everyone know that sub-zero and scorpion are key players, they are part of the foundation of MK and will never be perminately killed off. As for Noob/Smokes ending its not gonna happen. I personally think endings that are not Canon are add to the background of the MK story.
For example...even though Noob-Smokes ending will not be the offical ending it still adds layers onto the history of MK as it reveals to us that Noob is Sub-zeros ending.....Revealing that they are brothers does not impact the dragon king that ending seemed mainly focused on revealing that they are brothers. Also because i think that noob and smoke will not remain tag team anymore. there will probably be something like smoke defies him and they use the concept of tag team as an additional MK7 feature where you can double battle because its a win win situation and they get two additions to mk they get a new tag battle mode and you get Noob and Smoke as individuals.
Like so Lei Mei's ending seems to reveal the possiblity of her turning evil later as MK goes on. And the Black Dragon reveals that someone will die and there will be a new addition to the Black Dragon either kira or kobra. also the possiblity of kitana being free.
MK7 will reveal all this...who is the new addition to the Black Dragon, Whether or not Lei Mei turns evil and what comes from the revelation of Noob as Sub's brother.
But i think shujinko or scorpions ending will be the true one because when you look at it ed boon said that shujinko is the next liu kang so that blows out raidens ending and then again in konquest they said that scorpion is the chosen one to beat the dragon king. so thats my thoughts on it.
just to add raidens ending will not be canon because shujinko will not die and plus it adds a reason for them to bring back fujin who might come back to correct raiden into proper order.
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Mafiaboy700
12/30/2004 03:56 AM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero is not dead...yet...but he could be reallll soon. They won't kill him off after this major plot twist...they will drag it out for all it's worth.
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12/30/2004 04:17 AM (UTC)
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well sub-zero and noob really have no beef. noob quote unquote killed him because he was following them...well following smoke mainly. what might happen is its revealed that noob is subs brother and noob uses smokes cybernetic technology to create cybernetic wratih demons. i dont think that noob will be after sub-zero as much as sub-zero will be after noob in order to stop his older brother from evil and disgracing the lin kuei name. so noob will create cybernetic demons which i imagine one of the cybernetic demons will be a playable character later in MK and Sub-Zero will recruit warriors to stop his older brother from trying to conquer thus creating a lin kuei wraith war which will end in one MK down the line where one character is killed for good either Noob or Sub.
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MKRAYDEN
12/30/2004 10:33 AM (UTC)
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I don;t know but i want to know this mk story is True?
http://www14.brinkster.com/koftournament/Story/mkstory.html
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Sub-Zero_7th
12/30/2004 01:24 PM (UTC)
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MKRAYDEN Wrote:
I don;t know but i want to know this mk story is True?
http://www14.brinkster.com/koftournament/Story/mkstory.html

Yes, it's accurate for the most part.
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Jaybe2K4
01/01/2005 03:48 PM (UTC)
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Shang_heihachi Wrote:
Sub-Zero's 'ending' is just a rehash of what is in Kenshi's bio. Sub-Zero is ambushed by the Tarkata before he even finds Kenshi. That's why Kenshi notices that Sub-Zero's armor is damaged.

actually, that's not true... it says that Kenshi meets Sub-Zero and his armor is burned, which means that he had encountered Hotaru earlier. My guess is that Kenshi's ending either doesn't happen or occurs midway through Sub's story, then after the Dragon King is defeated he goes to "meet Raiden at the rendezvous point" and is ambushed.
here's something that I'm unsure of however: in SZ's ending, it has a dying Tarkartan say "Long live the Dragon King"... if this does happen after the DK is killed, does that mean he could possibly still be alive?
my other theory is that they are talking about Sub-Zero (resolves issue of Dragon fighting style and Dragon Medallion); one point to support this is Sindel's ending, wherein it is said that she discovers the body of the original/real Dragon King, but his armor is missing... some would dispute this by saying that Sub-Zero discovers his armor in the Frozen Burial ground of his ancestors, as is revealed in his bio, but perhaps one of Sub-Zero's ancestors or a member of the Lin Kuei had stolen the armor from Onaga's grave sometime prior to the events of Deception.
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Sub-Zero_7th
01/01/2005 08:35 PM (UTC)
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Yeah, some people have made a theory like that. I personally don't believe in it as there's not enough evidence to support that theory. I believe they gave Sub-Zero the Dragon style simply because of the Dragon Medallion. I'm pretty sure that the armor Sub-Zero wears and Onaga's missing armor are different.
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