Who is this directed at, amigo?

I've personally never felt the threat of being banned. Nor have I ever censored myself over there. I'll be honest with you, if JTF and Admin. are the same guy I wouldn't care at all. It would effect my experience with that site absolutely zero.



Clever, World War II style...

Mav, you still visit that site? Anyway, that's irrelevant, but you have to try and ignore the shit that happens there because nothing is ever going to change.

Yeah, trax covered it perfectly...I don't even waste my time spamming my address bar with JTF's site...yuck lol


To me when I was on there way back, JTF seems like the communist dictator type honestly...wants to control everyone, fool them and influence them to do his bidding and believe his crap...

MKO I found out (shortly after I discovered the "truth behind JTF's madness" thanks to Trax's tip and my own curiousity) had already banned JTF and knew of this when I asked....then they had to ban him again and again and again because I bothered him so much, he made about 10 tags or god knows how many different ones just to send me bs pms...sad.

Ok... Maybe I am missing something. I understand the guy can be an asshole sometimes. Big f'ing deal, so can most people myself included. Please explain to me what it is about JTF and MKAC that I am supposed to be so angry about? How in the hell are they fooling me into anything? Tell me what he has done and how it adversly affects me in ANY way. Please... Because I just don't understand why I should be so worked up.
And for the record... Mav was comparing MKO to a Communist regime, not JTF or MKAC.

Somehow I doubt that after a relieved ban ^^ but if he did mean MKO, I hope no mods see it....

MKO and MKAC shouldn't even be in the same sentence...one is run well, the other isn't.

FTR, MKO is run well IMO(just in case anyone questioned which sites I meant)

As for JTF, well hey man nobody's forcing you to "leave MKAC" run by JTF. The point we're trying to get out is that he's made up BS not only lying to everyone still on his site about him "not being like 20 different people under different tags, but also the fact that he's not the MKAC administrator"

If you ever disagree or argue with JTF, you'll notice the "MKAC administrator" will never post around the same time...why's that? Well, because JTF IS the MKAC administrator, thus he has power....and thus he can't post two messages at the same time nor be two places at once.

Now if it was someone different, don't you think you'd see MKAC administration post more often? Think about it man honestly.

Another thing about him is the fact that when I asked him, among trax and probably mav too if when he WASN'T the MKAC administrator running the show then to prove it...all he told me was "he didn't have to justify me with an answer to that question" such a simple concept...yet so difficult to answer...then there's fact that he ends all of his posts the exact same way with his name after his posts...very few people online do that.

And not only that but a true, respectable mod is objective when it comes to arguments and seeks out the true instigators ok...MKAC administrator didn't do that. All he did was blame me for the fights between JTF and myself and was actually defending JTF...umm yeah, real objective right there...please. Yet, that's hilarious because JTF flamed me to hell on there...and nothing was said to him? Hmm

The way I see it, the balls in his court and certain users(mainly the ones that know the truth and/or hate me on his site just don't give a shit) keep feeding him balls without limit....then you have the guys like me, trax and mav that actually stood up to JTF's bs...

I think Omerta C, you'll learn the day you disagree bigtime with JTF on there despite what the topic is...that's all it takes. Then every word you say you'll have to watch because if you disagree with him or god forbid expose the truth about him...you'll get banned...

I'm not telling you and never would tell you what to do man, I'm just stating the facts as far as JTF and his site, posing as two different people among many others under alternate tags....and what trax, mav and I are talking about concerning JTF. Later

you would thin answering a queston would be as simple as that. i guess the same would be a reason why a person chooses to opti for 3 yrs, when know when else does. the answer to most is as simple as that.

Well, he was comparing MKO to the communist regime in the fact that they are controlling and strictly limit what you can say or do. He is comparing JTF to the Nazi party run by an "unpredictable crazy man" not in those exact words.

Now, I know that whole story... My point is, even if the Admin and JTF are the same person... So what? Has it ever made MKAC a bad place for me? Never. I can understand where it would be a problem if JTF received preferential treatment when it comes to arguments and stuff, but that has never happened with me. I also remember several other instances where people got into shit with him and again, no problem.

So basically because y'all presume the admin has multiple accounts everyone should freak out? Again, show me where this will ever actually be a problem for ME, I am listening. I believe it never will.
@ Red... You'd think so.

You are the most snitching mfer I ever met in my entire life. You do this ALL the time.


MKLegend, you are the type to walk past a police officer and loudly whisper in his direction............ "I hope no police see that guy breaking the law. Because he is not allowed to do that and if a cop knew, they would arrest him and hed be sentenced to 1 to 3."

Exactly. I still dont know what the problem with that guy is and I dont feel like reading a 10 paragraph post to find out. Sounds like a bunch of personal beefs and bruised egos.


Doesnt affect me in any way and dont mind what ever JTF is doing. In fact, I encourage whatever it is he is doing.


MKAC Ive gone there but I forgot my password.

You guys are missing the point. I think at the point, Maverick doesn't care where users post.

Little irrelevant history...
MKAC started out with motive to get back at MKO. JTF was a member here but some shit happened with a former Mod here called Tgrant on PAL server and it got pretty messy. JTF got banned and setup MKAC. He then PMed pretty much everyone on MKO and added fuel to dramas to cause various misunderstanding between mods and users. He didn't succeed with the Europeans because they knew him best but succeeded with those who had never heard of him (XBL players). To cut the long BS short, that's why we're now here.

Today...
MKAC has since grown and XBL players have gotten used to the facilities there. I think it's actually futile to tell anyone to post or not post wherever they want. But what one should avoid is the drama caused by JTF and on the other end pretend to be the Admin who regulates the same thread. That's the shit anyone that posts there should avoid and just stick to posting and relating to XBL users. And one more thing, don't ever ask him if he's the admin. Other than that, everything should be fine both on MKO and MKAC.

Trax

@red, what are you talking about? Besides, I've seen you on at times and you're not available so I'm soo sure you "never" went to optimatch...yeah I admit I've done optimatch, i've also done hosting too.

Atari, actually I'm not a "snitch" but I'm actually trying to help mav's case.

Seriously, Atari if you get locked up then get released the next day do you really think it's smart to say "Hey Police, FUCK YOU you morons ha, ha, ha" as you're walking out?

I rest my case....

That's not snitching. BTW, your point is a bit silly to compare because not sure about you but me personally, I wouldn't do anything illegal in the first place...therefore no point in "snitching" If I'm not there to begin with. Personally, doing something of that nature is just dumb to begin with...so in other words if you saw a crime, someone getting mugged you'd look the other way? pffttt I'd help or try to help out, I wouldn't just not do anything...

I hate situations where people do nothing.....



For what it's worth, I don't like people that do bad deeds. Let's just say, say everyone in this thread has a different power...I can tell some would do what they want, despite laws while others would actually use their powers for good.

No, I'm sure he doesn't. Why would he?

So basically, what you're telling me, Trax, is that there is NO reason why I should care at all about what y'all are all so freaked out about? Then why does it keep coming up how "we" are being deceived, blah, blah, blah. And a side note, I have asked admin. personally about this. He said it was untrue. If he is telling the truth, great. If he is lying, bummer for him, but still what difference does it make?

@ MKF... Dude, seriously... Work a little on reading COMPREHENSION. That last post really was ridiculous. Please.

Dude, seriously when will you learn to make a post without flaming me? *shakes head* know what forget it, not getting into it...

I'm still waiting on his answer to your initial question Omerta C: on how does JTF and the admin being the same person effect your experience on MKAC? (if it is true) I for one don't care if they are the same person. The guy seems cool to me I don't have a problem with him, and all the lying and stuff you accuse him of MKF you're notorious for so you are the last person to call someone a liar or bullshit artist. At least on that site there is more freedom and more relevant discussion.

Watch this thread get closed anyways

LMAO...wow...look at this. It took Mav to comeback to get some things going. Ok...enough tooting my own horn and I will explain

MKO=communist regime
MKAC = Facist regime. (mind you many people in facist regime love and will defend the dictator to no end)

Maverick = someone who doesnt care about either site...just like Communist Russia and the facist Nazi's they both are lacking of true freedom and integrity. I am banned from the other site so I come here when I feel like talking. But I doubt I will be here long.

JTF/MKACadmin...well, to be honest I dont care enough to try to explain why I can compare him to Hitler. Afterall, these arent countries they are just online forums. If you like JTF God bless, but watch your back. I will leave it at that. I dont feel like getting into the long history.

Also Omerta the reference about people being afraid to be banned was in part tongue and cheek, the part that was somewhat directed at someone was not you. YOu have always been a straight shooter.

Ahhh I'm loving the contradictions and hypocrisy right now!!! Sounds like the same exact stuff you do on a a daily basis. Comments like these are what makes MKF an easy target for flames.

haha, the fact is we dont care if the Admin is JTF.

I didn't think of it as a flame, not my intention. But it is snotty, passive aggressive stuff like this ^^ that leads to trouble. Thank you for not "getting into it", the less irrelevant nonsense I have to hear out of you the better. Please, come up with a relevant, semi-intelligent post and I will kindly respond.

I'll give you a topic to start with: So, please...



"Told ya so"? What exactly are you going to "tell us so" about, MKF? What is the light that we are all not seeing? What is it that I do not know, that you do know and why should this knowledge upset me so much like it has you?

Seriously, no flaming with this... So, please, I've given a legitimate, honest question and I would appreciate a direct answer. The floor is yours... Oh, and the less winking "" and sleeping(?) "", the better... Can we do this like grown men?
@ Mav. Cool, amigo. Heh, we're straight.

Exactly Omerta; At this point, it should be COMPLETELY irrelevant where users are posting. However, it's important to understand my view on the Admin. Look at this hypothetically; I think it'd would be disgraceful if Crow banned me because I found out if he was Ghost Dragon, only for him to clone my account and send an apology in the forum to himself under my ID. It's the fact someone in such capacity would go to such length that's most worrying. And if I could save such individual from his inner demons, I would.


What's with you Bobbo? Don't you more than a oneliner to this crazy thread?

Trax

Ok, now we're on the same page. From your perspective I completely understand why you feel the way you do. And, it sounds like you understand where I (and apparently others) am coming from.

So you can understand why this constant Admin/MKAC issue means very little to us, right? I don't think it ever will, either...

@MKF... Truly, honestly, please answer Omerta's last post directed towards you. I'm not hear to flame you now, I mean it. Honestly, if you just address that post fully and directly, you'll do well with a lot of people. No spitefulness in this post, I'm being genuine cuz I'm not trying to flame.


I just read a TON of stuff... A lot was already covered and there's too many specifics to address individually. I guess the main thing is this...

I can actually see JTF being MKACadmin, honestly. I see what many of you are saying and I've seen things myself that could lead to that suspiscion. When you look at certain things, it just makes sense; JTF is MKACadmin.

So let's say that JTF is MKACadmin... Let's even say that he created over half of the User-Names on MKAC... Let's even say that he's posted under some of those names to appear to be a real person... ok.

JTF has never done anything to me that's hindered my experience at MKAC. It really doesn't affect me. The above actions that I mentioned are pretty damn dorky and ultimately pathetic... but so what? I've seen a ton of things on the boards that I would deem pathetic. It doesn't affect me.

So, JTF is just some dude who likes to make up other User-Names for his site to have it appear there's more action on it than there really is and lies about it. Never touched my posts, never deleted or closed my threads.

I can definitely see why some people don't like him. Just like I can see why other people don't like other people.

I don't have to like him, I don't have to dislike him. He simply doesn't affect my experience, so I more-or-less can ignore him. That's why it doesn't bug me.

@ Maverick....

Im not scared to get banned from any website... to be quite honest, I could care less.

And for the record...I left this website due to the fact nothin happens here except FLAMING between MKF, Yourself, Trax, and Red. That shit is boring. Im not tryin to read threw MB's of posts over bullshit. You all have some weird "power struggle" going on... OVER THE INTERNET!!??!!? What the hell is up with that?

And I could care less who JTF is...who the "Admin" is at MKAC, or here at MKO. The only reason i come to these boards is to kick it with dudes i've known since MK D (no need to list all the names, they know who they are ;) )

So, in my opinion MKAC > MKO anyday.

And yes.... its still KON BITCHES!!!

I dont encourage breaking the law. I encourage everyone to follow the law of the land because it is necessary. And excatly what I said, you are the coward snitch type to go tell police. YOU wont do anything but that.


But where did I say I wont do anything?????? You dont have a clue as to how far I have gone in my own hood. How I work with others to find solutions everyday problems WITHOUT using police help. My entire life, If we, my friends family and community try to police ourselves rather than ask them to come over with guns drawn, night stick and mase.....you ever been mased?

And Im not bashing the police. I have family that are on the force.


As far as what you do on MKO.


When Pig was leaning into YOU with personal insults, I made an unbais post telling him to use better judgement......you didnt see me going and saying I hope a mod doesnt see this.......Thats what I mean.


If YOU FELT MAVS POST WAS OFFENSIVE the you are the one that should have brought it to his attention. But instead, you bring it up, point to it, highlight it, and warn the mods about it.


That shit is weak.

The next person to post a message is a homosexual.