-Brad- Wrote:
I doubt he's serious, hardly ever is here.

And besides, nothing says more iconic than... Ambush Bug.

VENOMOUS75 Wrote:
The other two you mentioned, Ambush Bug & Bonecrusher.

Mick-Lucifer Wrote:

Yeah... I can see why you'd think that...






Yessir. Realism at it's finest...

mkflegend Wrote:
Anywho, @Deathbearer Mick just doesn't like it personally...it doesn't alter the fact that MK's still well known for being dark, gritty, bloody and mature overall thru out the years. Afterall, I'm so sure all that controversy way back that MK started the ESRB system thanks to politician Joseph Liberman *cough* umm *cough* started.....was all because how "cartoony MK looked"

mkflegend Wrote:
ha, ha if that were the case then Itchy and Scratchy, FG and SP would be on the news every night making headlines

Deathbearer Wrote:
exactly, it's just the technology they had at the time. it's not like someone should expect them to be oh so serious compared to todays games

Garlador Wrote:
1. To draw a humorous or satirical representation of; caricature.

mkflegend Wrote:
MK's violence isn't cartoony, cartoony is FG, SP and Itchy and Scratchy, not MK...

Garlador Wrote:
I don't know why so many MK fans are saying DC fans don't like Lobo. I'm a DC fan. I have been for years. I'm an active contributor to the comic communities, and Lobo was, and remains, one of the biggest cult heroes of the universe. He's an anti-hero created as a commentary and satire of other violent anti-heroes, mostly from Marvel such as The Punisher, Ghost Rider, Wolverine, and Venom.

Mick-Lucifer Wrote:

Far be it from me to question the person who had to look the language up, but I dare say you might want to look some of those other words up as well, and think of the use in less rigid terms... I'm surprised not to see exaggerated in the dictionary definition.


... You honestly don't notice you're very rarely on the mark about anything? Fair enough. This isn't the MK vs Mick-Lucifer thread.

Suffice to say, you're letting cartoons confuse you from "cartoony" as an informal adjective. There is no measure of any interpretation that describes MK as realism, no matter how long or how much you want to follow MK.

This isn't niche trivia... This is broad fact.

Nope, sorry your own personal view is NOT "broad fact" what Garlador posted and myself however is in fact true however that MK is not "cartoony" and he covered it perfectly, definitely "exaggerated" but not cartoony. Big, big difference but hey you can continue to think false definitions by all means. I'm sure in your mind Pokemon is "ultra violent" or something...

BTW, actually I know if I'm on my mark when someone addresses or dodges me with a valid or pathetic argument. Example, the thread I made on here addressing the "anti MK fans now or the haters of MK8" very few countered with a good, valid point except a few people who even though some might have disagreed, still respected and told me flat out I had very good points....but like you said, this isn't about me or you but just addressing this topic here.

Like I said before, cartoony games don't raise CONTROVERSY. End of story. I said this twice now and twice you dodged this point, meaning you know I'm right as far as that's concerned and don't have anything to say concerning that point other then you feel the same way and keep repeating yourself. It's not just the fact that MK has fatalities, blood, darkness etc but the concept they went after which other fighters dodged and went with the PG13 anime element instead...

Nobody is saying MK is "realistic" on that level because first of all NO video game is "realistic" other then sports titles...hence the point of "video" game. But to the point of bruising, concept, blood it is realistic. It's exaggerated and for fun of course but at least it's not "sparks" flying out of your face or sweat. As for fatalities, I already know that if someone got decapitated there would be a little pool of blood like Mk2 has shown. I've seen a real pic before, nasty.

Now generally speaking all vid games are Not real, they're virtual, for fun...fake, video presentation of a game that you can do anything the game offers and couldn't normally do in your everyday life.

Mick-Lucifer Wrote:

Someone remind me; why is this even a discussion?...

Good grief! If it weren't so common, I'd be surprised by the astounding feats of over stating the obvious one moment, only to be completely oblivious to it the next!

Other games' style of violence doesn't change MK's cartoon quality anymore than other people's mediocrity changes your over estimation of yourself.

Garlador, brilliant scholar that he is, opted to leave off a more relevant definition when citing the dictionary, not that what he had isn't a pretty clear indicator of the bredth of meaning...
"A ridiculously oversimplified or stereotypical representation: criticized the actor's portrayal of Jefferson as a historically inaccurate cartoon."

This isn't a matter of opinion for debate...
I appreciate the enthusiasm, but shocking as it is, you are wrong.
I know I always think, 'master of perception; coherrent well of information,' when I think mkflegend! Don't worry, I'm sure we'll find a way to live on in this new time of disrepute and uncertainty...

I don't mean to personalize, but, come on. We could all save a lot of time...
Despite being the stranger that I am to language, and violence in fiction, I certainly think it's pretty obvious even if you're confusing cartoons for the quality of being a cartoon. It's an extrapolation of meaning, if only to refer to MK's simplicity and unreality of violence.

Hopefully that's been thoroughly put to bed, and now we can go back to hating on the nineties and their silly, silly one-hit wonders and cheesy XTREEEEEM anti-heroes... and also comics characters like Doomsday and Lobo. (See what I did there!?!)

mkflegend Wrote:
I'm sorry, but in this case I see that you're the one wrong here. Liek I said a few times now that you didn't address in any post thus far. Why would MK of old cause all that negative, raise eyebrows controversy if it was nothing more then a cartoony video game?

No, no man, MK isn't cartoony anyone that honestly believes that given it has an MK rating, not for kids doesn't know what they're talking about.

mkflegend Wrote:
Dude, every game is simplistic with violence. [...] ...but sometimes it can be realistic too.

mkflegend Wrote:
I wouldn't mind lobo being in the game, his overall personal, charisma fits well in MK's universe IMO

Mick-Lucifer Wrote:

Despite your years of experience and dedication to the field, there are still old cartoons that are not shown due to censorship.
Content censorship, especially in America, is more than a surface summation, and lord knows the land of the free has some strange ideas about what are and aren't within the rules.

I'm not saying Mortal Kombat violence isn't of a harsh or potentially offensive nature. I'm certainly not about to hand it over to a six year old -- even though I'm sure plenty of folks around here were aquainted with the series much younger than fifteen.
None of that has any relevance on the depiction of the content. You are confusing opinion with fact.

Giant red splodges of blood, decapitated bodies, and eruptions of bones might be cartoon in their nature, but are still an allusion to everything they represent, and not suitable for children. That has no baring on their style, or quality.

You're still confusing cartoons, with cartoon as an adjective.


... Aside from the fact you just defeated your own argument... You really don't seem to be understanding that other games have no baring on the description of what something is.

Red is red even if there's a redder example around.
That doesn't change anything. Neither does a lot of people being mistaken. You now have a dictionary definition that I'm going to assume you might not have understood, but that doesn't change the use of cartoon as a word. Sometimes words have more than one meaning or use. Welcome to English.



That I've definitely agreed with.
With characters like Lobo in the game, MK won't look so under developed, stagnant, or silly... Because you just know Lobo would be played straight.