Funny, someone said that whole"MK rights will be sold after MK4 died out" yet didn't happen...

Anyway, I think you're a bit obsessed with "midway stocks" not for nothing.

Just so you know, Konami currently is in a worse situation. How come we don't hear of other gaming companies that have struggles? Something special about Midway? Just curious

nope they both suck on an equal level. and will never be in the class that a company like capcom or rockstar is in.

Rockstar ate up lots of negative bs from that hot coffee incident so humor me...

Capcom again, was seriously bashed for killing the SF series just in case you didn't know and realized that they HAD to make another SF.

Konami is in serious trouble right now, Midway is not do your research

But if you want to play that game "company comparisons" RARE will never be Midway so....

KI=dead awee well and keeps lying to fans of the series and the fans silly enough keep falling for it...here's to KI 3 to be made 100 years from now or not at all. I'll bet on the second one

u make it like rare killed ki, hmmm who bought rare ?? so its microsoft who killed ki, rare has no say in what games they are told to make.

they killed the sf series??? who was making a ton of money when the last sf game was out??
capcom vs snk 2 made more money than mkd and mka combined.

plus they dont need to make sf they have final fantasy, whats midway have?

least capcom wont rush sf4, they dont have a u must release the game on this date finsihed or not bullshit. o and they test.

RARE though still has lots of say when it comes to KI and they're the ones that were quoted quite a few times saying they'd like to bring back KI...

What year did Capcom vs. SNK 2 come out again? I'm talking since then...since a SF game came out, Capcom stuggled a bit there. Hell, with the exception of RE and the game for Microsoft with zombies running around the mall they've had nothing "hardcore" or concrete.

Ohh and I love it how Midway came up with Midway arcade treasures then later on Capcom decides to make Capcom Classics...and hmmm funny, coincidence how Capcom's version happens to have SF II games on it....

To answer your question though on what does MIdway have? Well, besides MK I listed plenty in another thread but go look at midway arcade games, those games is what midway has and Psi-ops. Not to mention Midway with the exception of Special Forces actually have side MK adventure games that are good, what other fighters out there can say that?

Then there's their sports titles Blitz, Hitz etc. Those games sold pretty well, Blitz better though I believe.

Final Fantasy? lol yeah..FF chronicles for portables not what I'm talking about and btw, FF has nothing on Zelda now days seriously. Have you played the last FF game and Zelda? No doubt Zelda is much better...

BTW, Capcom has had their fuck ups...SF The movie game or SF EX anyone?

I just find it amusing how you people get off knocking midway yet A. buy their products and B. there's lots of other companies out there in the gaming world that struggle yet again...I don't see any Konami, EA, RARE, Capcom struggles when they do? And believe me they have, I can do some research too.

Difference is I don't give a shit...lol this forum is really pathetic now if people are making up threads like "midway stocks" OMG or "UMK3 is broken , then list an MKT video" just to try to get people to chat..LMAO...now that's pathetic.

u can never stick to one topic, and all u do it quote other people.

when did nintendo get brought into this now, is it when u are losing an arguement, u must try to add another area to try and make it look like ur right.

zelda is great no one said it wasnt. this is about u midway and mk.
midway can make a ton of games, none of them sell as much as there franchise game mortal kombat, and the sales for that franchise have dropped more and more for each game.

i didnt even need to touch resident evil cause that game is out of midways league. i figured all i needed was an outdate game like final fantasy which still can out sell any midway game.

when a company is in the red in profits to start, and there stock keep dropping how much longer do u think it takes before they go bankrupt.

they wont be seeing any money for another yr for mk8, thats still 3 quarters that there stockholders will be seeing more loses, and that per share going down some more.

http://www.midway.com/rxpage/mpr_12208.html

there u go pig, maybe it droped cause they released there 3 quarter results today.

another 20 million is loses. or something like 37 cents a share.


the sad part is, if midway went under.. who would actually buy the mk rights besides some hack company.

if boon isnt running the show, it wont be mk anymore, it would become a figther, not a game based on specials, weapons with unrealistic speeds and recoverys, and prob so easy programed dials.

I just provided you proof the company is sucking shit.

Get your lips off midway's dick man.

as for Take Two? http://www.gamespot.com/news/6178536.html
Here is a simple link for you to read, it's mixed but outlook is more positive than midway.

Question. I brought up midway and you ask about rockstar. ??? Stay on topic. The topic is Midway games.

Oh and MKF , I REALLY think you should think about college and consider economics 101. You apparently don't understand the basics of finance, stocks, equity, supply demand, appreciation value assesments and the legs of a business. If you did you would say "shit, midway is in trouble because I can buy 4 shares of midway stock for a movie ticket price."

Please stay on topic about midway stock, if you want to discuss midway stock then yes we can and if you make points provide proof unless state your "IMO" because thats what it is. I'm providing fact.

This is easy to read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock

The price of a stock fluctuates fundamentally due to the theory of supply and demand. Like all commodities in the market, the price of a stock is directly proportional to the demand. However, there are many factors on the basis of which the demand for a particular stock may increase or decrease. These factors are studied using methods of fundamental analysis and technical analysis to predict the changes in the stock price. A recent study shows that customer satisfaction, as measured by the American Customer Satisfaction Index (ACSI), is significantly correlated to the stock market value. Stock price is also changed based on the forecast for the company and whether their profits are expected to increase or decrease.

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I really would like you to understand these concepts and reread the last 2 sentenaces. If you think Midway is in good/decent/hopefull shape then you're extremely naive.

Oh and why bring up the comment about mk4? Did I make this comment? NO, Do we know this person who made this comment? NO! Did you provide a source where could read this comment in a official source or link to a forum from an unofficial source? NO.

Bring it mkf. Bring facts and spare me your "IMOS." I want a real debate of facts not a whiny pissing contest

That's 17% drop in one day. That's pretty bad. If they keep drop like that, then this time next week, there'd be nothing left.

Have you sold your stock?

Hehe Zucker's got serious talent for being optimistic.

When Stranglehold was delayed for ps3, I read in the Chicago Tribune that Midway hasn't had a profitable quarter since the 90's. (I say "the 90's" because I obviously can't directly quote a paper from this summer.)

It's ALWAYS been Midway's moral fiber to make flashy yet shallow and cheesy games. From Smash TV to MKA not much has changed besides the budget increasing 10000 fold. Ok Psi-Ops was a very unique game, but they saw the gravity gun in half life and wanted to beat valve to the punch.

Licensing the unreal engine 3 is probably the best move they've made since like ever. In the past they've developed each game literally from the "ground up" including their engines, and in some cases (psi-ops) multiple times over. Can't say about $ savings from this, but now they will at least save development time.


edit: brief mention of earnings... thestreet

Umm, I quote people because that's the ummm POINT of the "add original" being here in the first place. WOW seriously get a clue, you've been here longer then me and still never use it. That's sad...

And this is not about "me and midway" just me telling you who gives a shit right now about this when A. they're not bankrupt and B. this is an xbox live forum, if you're going to post about something like this go to general...at least. Notice we are the only 3 posting in this thread as majority because nobody cares...

And LOL @ your MK isn't a fighting game... MK is a fighting game because let's see here SF II has SPECIAL moves also, that's a fighting game, so does your "beloved dead KI" lol wow you have no idea how much of a hypocrite you are really sound like...must really burn for you to see MK outlasting "the mighty Killer Instinct" so because MK has special moves it's not a fighting game? right..............most fighters umm have special moves except for a few.

MK is still fighting game thus why it's in the "fighting genre" regardless of your personal hatred or disapproval of it sorry Red. Stick to the "low stocks" argument seriously...at least that's fact about midway currently.

BTW just so you know even though most here never heard of the game but Midway made a LOTR online PC game not too long ago, that did very well. I played it at my friends house, good game I'm just not into PC games...LOTR series is awesome.

And...

You forget about other key games don't you Red? Let's see here Unreal series ummm are you aware of how many fans love that game? You show your ignorance because that game alone has TONS of fans...and last time I looked MIdway did a hell of a job with UR games since they got the rights. URC:Liandri Conflict sold well and was awesome, no doubt future Unreal games will do well also. So, it's not just "Mortal Kombat" Midway has, they might not have 100 games but seriously...you act as if they have one game a year...

Stranglehold is a good game, Blitz. You think Midway only makes MK games...they don't, they make other titles.



LOL once again you miss my point (as usual) first off I'm not "sucking midway's dick" as you so vividly put it, I'm merely pointing out to you since you're blind to other facts that Midway isn't the only company to have it's struggles, go to gamespot it's clear as fucking day that Konami is going through some major struggles, so I am staying on topic because if you're going to bash gaming companies, at least post about ALL current struggling ones since you're so "stockwise obsessed" and know everything about "stocks", not just "midway" I know you lost money but as I said before, who's fault is that? Not midway's that's your mistake for investing in midway in the first place...

I never said that Midway was perfect, get a clue already both you and red I'm not sure which one is more blind to my posts...I never said they were perfect, just saying are you guys THAT bored that you have to make posts just "ripping midway"?? really...nobody gives a shit except for you and Red. You because you got fucked over stockwise... and Red because he hate's MK and midway...yet buys their games, thus given them money...can you say just laughable?
As for stocks, I know the basics and that's all I need to know because A. I don't waste my time nor money investing in stocks to begin with and B.I have better things to do then keep tabs on video game company stocks, despite who it is.

they can make a million games, none of them profit...

ill give u an easy debate and lets see how much u go off topic.

u think mka is so broken, lets here why. dont give me your opinion, give me straight up facts.


and the answer to anything thing u post is going to be cause it was not an arcade release.


ki was a great game, would i love a new one yes, thats where microsoft is smart and mdway isnt, mircosoft knows they will lose money developing a new ki, just like midway loses money off every mk game they make.

LOL, now who's going off topic? How did we get from Midway profits to MKA broken or not? That's been discussed to death, you know how I feel about it and even Pig disagrees with you as far as "AC is concerned since he's said time and time again he thinks it's gay"

Your sentence about anything not in the arcade puzzles me honestly...MKA is obviously not an arcade game.

Midway has made LOTS of profit with MK, UR and Blitz...perhaps not of late but since their existence, making millions with MK sales over the years or with MK2, MK3 and MK:DA is a profit.

KI was an average fighting game at best, the series didn't last past 2 games and KIG =broken so I'm not even counting that. And midway doesn't lose money with MK games, they gain since that's one of their flagship series. Is it always very, very good like say MK2? Not at all but MK banks for midway usually.

Microsoft/RARE are actually dumb with KI because as you say "KI is such a great game" yet answer this for me. Why lie to fans saying we want to make a KI3 for the fans, yet ....still no KI 3. So, let me get this straight first you say KI is a "great fighting game"....and should be made again, then say Microsoft/RARE does the right thing by not making a game at all since it'll be bad...that's what you're saying (even though they lie to fans every year when asked about KI 3)

Again, that sounds so hypocritical. KI is a great game, yet it's not being made again because Microsoft and RARE would lose profits...

So, you must deep down know/think that KI series sucks otherwise you wouldn't feel that way...

MKF you sound wack man. Face facts. Pig and Red have given you nothing but proof of Midway's downfall. They are not dead but they are in a bit of a rut.

Other companies aside, this is about Midway and MK. not Konami.

I thought it was an interesting post pig made. Stocks can tell you alot.

RED and PIG:
MKF don't know when he is beat. Don't feed the fire.

cause fighters that are american made dont profit. you think the japs buy and play mk or ki??

first off u no jack shit about air cancel so just drop it. ac is not broken unless it abused, so since its abuseable that makes it broken?? every other mk game has 50% damage combos who cares how its achieved.

now since mk is mostly an online fighter, ac is a non issue cause u cant repeat it enough times online to make it an infin, so ac online is not broken.

now 33,,, yes everyone has it, but no u pretty much cant infinte it with everyone, cause besides the easy guy which in a total of like 8 guys, u are not going to be able to do 33 enough times in a real match with the hard guys.

i say arcade cause if mka was an arcade game , all this shit would fixed. mkda , mkd and mka are just as broken and unfinished as every other mk game at release date, but sales and replay dont come from quarters they dont have to fix it now. that is why i say arcades.

u think u are so know so much about the broken ness off mka, but in reality u no what u hear, and than quote it like u have a clue.

2 things, first name all the infintes online in mka...

2nd u think 33 is so broken, i will let u try to 33 infinte me and ill cap it, and since its so broken and so easy to do, step up and prove it. so us all how easy u can use 33 and how skillless it is. oh and u cant use the easy guys.

ATTENTION DUMB FUCKING IDIOT NAMED MKF

As I have stated MANY MANY MANY times I MADE LOTS OF MONEY because I'm PART OF THE LAWSUIT you idiot. I didn't get fucked, in fact by court order I'm to get all my money back due to insider trading I GET MORE MONEY.

<---------So you can use this defense mechanism all you want. Do you need a lesson in LAWSUIT as well? Do you know what happens to companies who get caught for fucking their investors? Do you? Lawsuits......

I gain more money than I veer could with that stock, when I bought the stock (didn't know it was going to happen) I ended up making the best move ever.

Also when I bought the stock it was known as penny stock (now it's even less) and was day trading it. Thats what you do with penny stock MKF. You buy 50 (50 at $10.23 i believe) shares and when the market bumps it 20 cents during the day or week you sell and guess what? You make profit.

You brought nothing....you dissapoint me.

edit: This post was pretty harsh after re-reading it so I appologize to most but mfk, I really question your intelligence. I have set a calender reminder on my phone and laptop a year from today's date with info to remind me to check "how far" midway has come from today because your expert opinion sees them doing so well next year so I'm holding it to you. It is obvious to everyone that you are dead wrong on this. You can't defend a company that at record speed is nosediving to bankruptcy. You really puzzle me.

AC is gay and so is 33. We agree on something

Ahh the typical "thread rider"....I'd ask if you read anything I said but I already know by your post you didn't...so I'm not even going to bother with you. Just in case you haven't heard or in this case read apparently, I never denied Midway's stocks NOT going down..I just said there are other companies out there that stuggle as well. Read next time instead of just posting ignorant nonsense.

I know pig is your boy so there's no point trying to talk to you, you might as well be his sidekick...And you're wrong, go check your facts Konami IS indeed in trouble now, don't try to tell me anything...the article is on gamespot. God it's like debating with hilary, she talks but doesn't listen...

Tell you what piggy- wiggy, when you answer my question from my other thread when I owned you in that UMK3 argument where I asked you clear as FREAKING day if you could pull off any of those insanely tough combos that you claim is "cheating" in your mind....then maybe I'll answer yours since you accuse me of ignoring facts, you're a hypocrite because just came at me in that thread with typical retarded flaming.


BTW, don't flame now unless you feel like getting skulled....you wouldn't want to follow in maverick's footsteps, then again maybe you do....

Only reason you're not getting cursed out right now because I know when to shut up, you never know who's watching...

Yes, I'm not too fond of AC or 33. Yayy we agree on something....










Actually, I know a lot...and don't tell me I know nothing when I kicked your ass and made you look retarded in front of everyone here....when you had me BEAT before we even played. Piece of advice, don't piss off MKF when it ocmes to MK, you'll be sorry...and you were. Sad part is I beat your ass badly AND you used everything the game had just so you can have the edge..pathetic, but of course you cry lag like a little baby..so typical of you.

Second, I'm aware because of losers like you that take the time to "go out of your way to FIND this shit and abuse it" At least check's vids are actually useful, what do you do? You discover a thing or two and think you're the shit? please....you leave out basics in your guides, you have no fucking game what so ever other then relying on glitches it's that sad. And THIS everyone on here knows despite who likes you and who doesn't.

You ALWAYS blame lag, even back in MKD you got pissy when I beat you or if pig beat you or anyone for that matter, killer b was another. Yeah, I know "nothing" yet I can manage to kick your ass in MK and Red is supposed to know everything, therefore you should whip me and everyone else on here every time...

You really should think before you post Red, if I had "no clue" and knew nothing about MKA I wouldn't win more often then not, and I definitely would have been killed by you but as you and I among everyone else here knows Red, that didn't happen...in fact I killed you and you were forced to shut your mouth because you made yourself look stupid. FACT:I know everything there is to know about MKA and all MK's. I play ALL of them at high level, unlike most on here NOT just the "3D MK's" I brought a few of your posts to ultimate.com's attention since you think you're a big shot and let me tell ya they just laughed at your ignorance about the older MK's among others on here...btw, I'm not going to list every, single infinite not because I don't know them but because I'm not going to waste my time with such a dumb task. Unlike you Red, I can win without relying on infinites and glitches..

Let's put is this way, you're saying MKA's glitches are "just as hard as UMK3's" yet how come the first few months or so, IMMEDIATELY once check released his vids most of the players were using it on here or online? The only exception were players like me, pig, killer b, malon, alexie and bobby. Everyone else was doing AC already...don't try to tell me it's just as hard because I know damn well most on here if any at all wouldn't be able to pull off UMK3's relaunch combos or the insanely difficult infinite combos or damaging ones such as Ermac's or Reptiles or Cyrax's for example. And if you disagree with this Red, let's see you have the balls to post how you feel on ultimate.com and watch people laugh at you. You know that would happen which is why you're so "firm on your views" on MKO where nobody that plays UMK3 except for a few people see your ignorant posts..


This is what you know red, you know how to find a glitch or two, you know how to abuse them and you know how to make custom joysticks....wooahhh. What you seriously lack though red in every MK I've so far played you in is something called "game" You lack and have no clue what a ground game is and if you did, you would do better in general.

hmmm no response to mine, wonder why.

Try re-reading

ac dont work online, u can land it on 5% of the players .thats not working.

by u saying umk3 is the most balanced game proves my point, umk3 had over a yr of country wide testing, hence is was as broke as mka when i came out.

so where are my answers how many infintes in mka online??? ac isnt one so how many?? and who?? the game is so broken so u say. the only thing that makes mka broken online is lag, lag is the only thing that makes it unplayable and broken.

i will cry lag, maybe if u ever invested ina real connection u would know what people like me, doohoo, chaos, and pig deal with. sorrry we cant spam unsafe moves, when u cant block and counter and u get hit from close moves hwen there 3 inches away on your screen, dont care who u are , to me u are not legit.

so why is it ok for umk3 players to use the kabal juggle, and rep juggle, but not ok to use one ac to get 50% damage? why was it ok to abuse subs clone is mk3 and do crazy corner combos, but one ac is cheap and broken??

u say u can do all these thing in mka, and they are so easy, so show us, so me, ill stand there and u do them to me, come on a skilled player like u should do it with ease.

You see that's just the thing, you bitch about lag forever YET you play online....That's like saying I hate Al Gore, then voting for him...really it's hypocritical and is just dumb.

Hell, when I even asked you that question in another thread not too long ago about "ok red, if online in general isn't "legit" as you say then why so many players play online?

Your responce was you couldn't answer that...well that says it all right there, just because you feel that way doesn't mean everyone does...

Ha, Ha nice try but I do "invest" in a real connection. online play requires high speed and that's what I have, thank you very much. Not all of us are spoiled, rich boys that don't have to do anything all day and can buy the most expensive things.

How about you try something called...getting good or getting better? instead of blaming lag against everyone you don't like whenever you lose...In the matches with your Kabal against me, ALL you did was tried that deep jk into dash...constantly, nothing else. This alone proves my theory.

When we played I HAD lag just as much as you so please...don't even go there, I can't say how many times I poked you and it didn't even hit you so don't cry about "safeness" when you were clearly safe with certain moves on my side.

Why is ok to use UMK3's tricks and not MKA's? simple, because it's "more difficult" enough said, a lot more at that. I don't make it a habit of doing AC, 33 and deep jump kicks but have offline and a few times online for the hell of it. It's easier to learn then UMK3's tricks, easily. Like I said, you and anyone else here who disagrees please upload a video within the next hour of UMK3's relaunch kabal and reptile infinites. It won't happen.

Where in MKA, you're beyond a "master of the games flaws" with AC.

Red, Skill has a different definition in your book compared to mine.

In my book, it's about turtling, basic tactic, proper use of pokes, when to charge, when not to charge, when to throw, parry, tech roll etc. As well as outsmarting your opponent.

Your definition however Red is nothing more then using the games glitches and doing everything in your power just short of cheating to win.

That's your game, not mine and I've proved countless times online and against you that you DON'T need the games flaws just to win.

Being able to win with glitches is telling everyone that you have no game and rely on the glitches to bail your ass out of trouble or get you the win. Example? Styles...you see how easily he was able to pull off wins back in MKD with Bo or N/S infinites? or Jades in MKA under his other name...well, I'd love to play him in UMK3...I'd DARE his ass to do reptile's to me ha, ha he'd so get raped it's not even funny..

Being able to win WITHOUT abusing every, single glitch in the game especially against a foe who is using every glitch is skill...I don't care who here disagrees or agrees, but let's just say the openminded people will totally understand my point. I know pig does, he's a ground game player as well, trax, alexie, malone etc. These guys have a good ground game besides myself and have proved time and time again they can win cleary without relying on the games flaws.

The only thing I'll use are Free throws, that's it. And let's face it, they were a big deal in MKD, but aren't in MKA by any means since you can easily parry the jab hits prior to the "free throw"

You know this though already, otherwise you would have gave me Bo in our MKA matches, why no bo red? Afraid I'll parry the "two hit into free throw" as I said, MKA isn't MKD and you know this...despite whether or not you wish to admit it.