MKA - The 6th Mortal Kombat game?
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Now before you all come in here and start thinking I can't count, I know that MKA is the 7th MK game. So, why the title you ask? Well, this thread is here to present a theory which focuses around how some changes could have rendered MKA as MK6 and MKD non existent.
What madness is this you ask? Well, let me tell you. I was thinking about the story of MKD and in particular how Konquest ended. Onaga shows up after Shujinko gathers the Kamidogou. Now following both the stories for MKDA and MKD Konquest, we know that that both games Konquest stories pretty much happen in tandem with one another. As MKDA’s Konquest ends, MKD’s Konquest is also just coming to an end. The intro of MKD happens after MKD’s Konquest and that continues on into the main game.
Knowing that is the case, then Onaga has just gotten his body from Reptile as MKD’s Konquest draws to an end and he arrives in the Nexus. He then leaves from there after chasing Shujinko to go to Shang’s Palace and this is when the MKD intro takes place and leads into Dception’s story. How do we know MKDA’s Konquest ended here? Kitana’s and Kung Lao’s Konquest stories tell of them facing off against the Deadly Alliance. And this also means that Reptiles ending happened just prior to Shujinko arriving with the last Kamidogou in the Nexus.
And it is Reptile that could have been the key to the change I speak of. What would have happened if he didn’t follow Cyrax and Nitara? If he didn’t, would the Dragon King’s egg have hatched? If yes, whose body would it have occupied? Would it have been Cyrax’s or even Nitara’s? It also raises the question of how exactly did the egg just happen to begin to hatch when Reptile was before it? Perhaps as Shujinko spoke to Damashi when he got the last Kamidogou, Onaga used his power from beyond death yet again to start the hatching.
Now if the egg didn’t hatch and Reptile wasn’t there, would we have still gotten MKD? Sure Shujinko would have gathered the Kamidogou, but nothing would have happened. Onaga doesn’t appear to take them as he’s not alive again so would Shujinko have been introduced? If not, then we wouldn’t have had the Konquest journey. This in turn would lead to the Order and Chaos realms not being introduced along with the respective characters of those realms (Havik, Darrius, Dairou and Hotaru).
With Havik not introduced, he wouldn’t have shown up to save Kabal and so Kabal would probably be dead, meaning Mavado would still be alive and probably wanting blood for Hsu Hao’s supposed death and also, Kira and Kobra wouldn’t be in the Black Dragon.
Also, in regards to the games, MKD’s name probably would have been different. Or, it would be MKA, only there’d be no One Being. It could possibly have all ended with Quan Chi as victor just like in the MKD intro and he sets about taking over the realms with Onaga’s army. Remember that the intro takes place after Onaga’s rebirth. But, given that the Tarkata were ravaging Outworld under Onaga’s orders and that they killed the Earth warriors, would the 5 that died have overpowered the Deadly Alliance and defeated them? There’d be no Tarkata there to stop them. If so, then Raiden wouldn’t have gone all kamikaze as Onaga isn’t around and he wouldn’t have even have had to fight the DA.
Also, characters like Kitana, Kung Lao etc would be in MKD perhaps and characters like Baraka and Mileena would not have been. Baraka frees Mileena from the Edenia prisons in MKD and again this will have been under Onaga’s orders so Mileena also wouldn’t have been in MKD and there’d be no need for Sindel or Jade either. MKD’s main story would pretty much be rendered void.
One final thing is that had Dairou still made it, he’d probably have his awesome MKDA concept look, story and weapons. Others in the game would probably be affected by all of this change.
So how do you think MKD would have turned out had Onaga not been freed and who would be in it etc? And given the vast changes, how would MKA have turned out, if it indeed could come about?
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04/09/2006 07:55 PM (UTC)
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Wow, a little confusing here and there (to much thinking) but i think you might got something there. Keep it up tg!
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04/09/2006 08:04 PM (UTC)
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Wow...when you consider how close the events of Deadly Alliance and Deception are to eachother, this is very possible. Good work man.
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04/09/2006 08:05 PM (UTC)
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IIIIIInteresting subject!
Well, with no Onaga, and all that story stuff, it would leave with the fight between Shang, Quan and all of the 5 warriors. I probably suspect, that the DA would win, as if the 5 warriors did win, then that would be, everythings dandy and back to normal, ala no more games.
So, Shang and Quan turn against each other as they did in the MKD intro, with one of them winning. I'll pick Quan, so Quan wins, and goes to try and succeed into ruling the worlds, and goes after the kamidogu, but there would also probably be possible involvment with Sindel, Raiden and possibly Subby. So in this game, would probably have new recruits from Edenia and Earth to try kick Quans ass, and stop him from succeeding.
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04/09/2006 08:10 PM (UTC)
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Hmm i see what you're saying, but if what you are saying did happen then IMO. Shang and Quan will still be allied, seeing as they beat raiden in MKD intro(barley) i think they could take the earth warriors, unless raiden helped them. in that case DA would also be void.
Now if they did beat the 5 earth warriors, i believe that raiden would come down, and in the end engage in the intro battle. Then while everything else is going on either nitara or cyrax would have been taken by onaga. So in the end it would all end the same. Just different, it wouldnt have happend so soon MK:D would have happend long after MK:DA, and Reptile would still be alive
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04/09/2006 08:11 PM (UTC)
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NIce! I would love for them to start from the end of MKDA because I feel that MKD killed everything that MKDA had established.
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04/09/2006 08:14 PM (UTC)
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Vampyre Wrote:
IIIIIInteresting subject!
Well, with no Onaga, and all that story stuff, it would leave with the fight between Shang, Quan and all of the 5 warriors. I probably suspect, that the DA would win, as if the 5 warriors did win, then that would be, everythings dandy and back to normal, ala no more games.
So, Shang and Quan turn against each other as they did in the MKD intro, with one of them winning. I'll pick Quan, so Quan wins, and goes to try and succeed into ruling the worlds, and goes after the kamidogu, but there would also probably be possible involvment with Sindel, Raiden and possibly Subby. So in this game, would probably have new recruits from Edenia and Earth to try kick Quans ass, and stop him from succeeding.

In theory, Quan wouldn't go after the Kamidogou and neither would Shang had either have been victor as from what we know, we can safely assume that they know nothing of them. Quan had the amulet all that time but never searched for the Kamidogou. He doesn't really know the full extent to its uses whereas Shinok and Onaga do and I think Raiden will do also.
However, Quan trying to take over would most definitely happen if he came out on top and he'd have the Dragon King's undefeatable army with him. The only problem is, the army would be defeatable. MKD tells us that they were only undefeatable due to Onaga's resurrection powers.
Thanks for the props and replies, Libra, sajo77 and subzero6969.
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04/09/2006 08:16 PM (UTC)
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WOw, I think you thought about his wayy too much man.I mean that in a good way Tgrant lol.Just WOW.A bit confusing but who knows man.I used to wonder why Raiden couldn't compete in MK 3 after reading the storyline again after so long.He said he could no longer interfere and that the OutWorld gods were in control.
Yet, it's still earthrealm so why didn't he compete in MK 3?Didn't make much sense to me.Yet every other MK he's in it lol.What ever I guess.If anyone can explain that one it's you tgrant.The # 1 Raiden fan.grin
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04/09/2006 08:24 PM (UTC)
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Tgrant and i were talkin about this a little more. and he told me that even if this did happen shang and quan would still be at war. once the army was restored shang serves no purpouse to the aliiance. plus with quan having the armulet the army obeys him only and try to kill shang.
Now you have to take the fact about damashi and jinko. damashi used jinko like the fool he is, for the kamidogu. in the end he would have come back even without cyrax nitara or reptile. He would have just used jinko since he already had jinkos trust through Damashi. He would have just sent jinko to the egg and taken jinkos body. so in the end MK:D still happends. just slower
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04/09/2006 08:33 PM (UTC)
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mkflegend Wrote:
WOw, I think you thought about his wayy too much man.I mean that in a good way Tgrant lol.Just WOW.A bit confusing but who knows man.I used to wonder why Raiden couldn't compete in MK 3 after reading the storyline again after so long.He said he could no longer interfere and that the OutWorld gods were in control.
Yet, it's still earthrealm so why didn't he compete in MK 3?Didn't make much sense to me.Yet every other MK he's in it lol.What ever I guess.If anyone can explain that one it's you tgrant.The # 1 Raiden fan.grin

Lol! Thanks. I can understand the confusion. I've been explaining how this all works to people in the irc.
As for Raiden in MK3, you have to really look at MKTrilogy as that completets the MK1-MK3 story, though some of the stories and endings don't take place.
Here's Raiden's MKt bio:
As Earth's sworn protector, Rayden finds himself banished in the merger between Earth and Outworld. When the Elder Gods refuse to assist him in aiding the Earth, he is forced to take matters into his own hands. He transforms himself into a mortal warrior to fight alongside his human comrades - this time risking his place in the pantheon of gods and giving up his own immortality.
He comes to Earth yet again to aid the mortals as he always does. The reason he's not supposed to is due to it being against the rules of Mortal Kombat set by the Elder gods.
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04/09/2006 08:35 PM (UTC)
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ThuggishRuggish Wrote:
Tgrant and i were talkin about this a little more. and he told me that even if this did happen shang and quan would still be at war. once the army was restored shang serves no purpouse to the aliiance. plus with quan having the armulet the army obeys him only and try to kill shang.
Now you have to take the fact about damashi and jinko. damashi used jinko like the fool he is, for the kamidogu. in the end he would have come back even without cyrax nitara or reptile. He would have just used jinko since he already had jinkos trust through Damashi. He would have just sent jinko to the egg and taken jinkos body. so in the end MK:D still happends. just slower

Excellent theory and that is highly possible if the story didn't go as it does in MKDA and MKD. It'd make Shujinko look an even bigger idiot though as he'd be approaching that egg without even questioning why! Lol!
Just picture him with some oil, a frying pan and a spoon! tongue
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04/09/2006 08:43 PM (UTC)
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If Raiden doesn't fight the DA or the Dragon King, then how would he turn dark? I'm looking at the teaser trailer as part of the intro, by the way, and Raiden is certainly dark in that.
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04/09/2006 08:57 PM (UTC)
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nobrainer Wrote:
If Raiden doesn't fight the DA or the Dragon King, then how would he turn dark? I'm looking at the teaser trailer as part of the intro, by the way, and Raiden is certainly dark in that.

He's dark due to being angry at Shujinko by the looks of the story. No Deception would mean no angry Raiden and as I said earlier, he most likely would never have gone kamikaze.
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04/09/2006 09:20 PM (UTC)
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tgrant Wrote:
nobrainer Wrote:
If Raiden doesn't fight the DA or the Dragon King, then how would he turn dark? I'm looking at the teaser trailer as part of the intro, by the way, and Raiden is certainly dark in that.

He's dark due to being angry at Shujinko by the looks of the story. No Deception would mean no angry Raiden and as I said earlier, he most likely would never have gone kamikaze.

You know, I get this funny feeling that MKA's plot is going to be something really simple and stupid like:
The Elder Gods have had enough of the turmoil in the realms and they demand that all is settled through Mortal Kombat.
The warriors are lined up into two armies, each will fight for their cause. Let Kombat begin!

It' best just to ignore the teaser, isn't it? Either that, or they better have a bloody good reason for them all lined up like that with Scorpion next to Quan Chi and Kahn running alongside Onaga...
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04/09/2006 10:12 PM (UTC)
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Libra Wrote:
Wow, a little confusing here and there (to much thinking) but i think you might got something there. Keep it up tg!

Couldnt say more.
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Shinnox
04/10/2006 05:11 AM (UTC)
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well, there have been 7 installemnts released.
but, if you are gonna go based on story, there would be less then 6. mk3-mkt all had the same story. just minor tweaks in gameplay and a few story upgrades. much like mkda-mkd-mka.
what really bugs me, is that people on here, and the games actual story, calls mk1 "the first tournament"....and it wasnt. if im not mistaken, it says somewhere "mortal kombat has always existed" (or something like that) i know it says "mortal kombat has always been, and always will be" on mkda. also, goro became champion before mk1, by defeating the original kung lao in a tournament.
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04/10/2006 06:18 PM (UTC)
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Well, there would certainly have been certain key changes such as Raiden not going dark and Quan Chi being the big threat and all. If Scorpion were to still become Champion of the Elder Gods, they would send him after Quan Chi instead and I'm sure he would gladly do it.
We probably wouldn't be seeing Hotaru, Dairou, and Havik in Outworld.
I guess that's all I can think of for now.
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04/10/2006 08:17 PM (UTC)
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I never thought I would say this but thank god for Onaga! Don't get me wrong I hate the cunt, stupid ugly bastard but thank god. No Sindel, no Tanya, No Mileena, No jade, No Ashrah, no Dead Kitana! Madness! You actually made me appreciate Onaga and I will never forgive you for it!!! *shakes fist...
That is really wierd though, awesome thread man...grin
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04/10/2006 09:37 PM (UTC)
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Man, you must have a high IQ TG because that must have been hard to think up. It was hard for me to get my head round it but i understand it.
Very thought provoking post!
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04/11/2006 12:07 AM (UTC)
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tgrant Wrote:
Now before you all come in here and start thinking I can't count, I know that MKA is the 7th MK game. So, why the title you ask? Well, this thread is here to present a theory which focuses around how some changes could have rendered MKA as MK6 and MKD non existent.
What madness is this you ask? Well, let me tell you. I was thinking about the story of MKD and in particular how Konquest ended. Onaga shows up after Shujinko gathers the Kamidogou. Now following both the stories for MKDA and MKD Konquest, we know that that both games Konquest stories pretty much happen in tandem with one another. As MKDA’s Konquest ends, MKD’s Konquest is also just coming to an end. The intro of MKD happens after MKD’s Konquest and that continues on into the main game.
Knowing that is the case, then Onaga has just gotten his body from Reptile as MKD’s Konquest draws to an end and he arrives in the Nexus. He then leaves from there after chasing Shujinko to go to Shang’s Palace and this is when the MKD intro takes place and leads into Dception’s story. How do we know MKDA’s Konquest ended here? Kitana’s and Kung Lao’s Konquest stories tell of them facing off against the Deadly Alliance. And this also means that Reptiles ending happened just prior to Shujinko arriving with the last Kamidogou in the Nexus.
And it is Reptile that could have been the key to the change I speak of. What would have happened if he didn’t follow Cyrax and Nitara? If he didn’t, would the Dragon King’s egg have hatched? If yes, whose body would it have occupied? Would it have been Cyrax’s or even Nitara’s? It also raises the question of how exactly did the egg just happen to begin to hatch when Reptile was before it? Perhaps as Shujinko spoke to Damashi when he got the last Kamidogou, Onaga used his power from beyond death yet again to start the hatching.
Now if the egg didn’t hatch and Reptile wasn’t there, would we have still gotten MKD? Sure Shujinko would have gathered the Kamidogou, but nothing would have happened. Onaga doesn’t appear to take them as he’s not alive again so would Shujinko have been introduced? If not, then we wouldn’t have had the Konquest journey. This in turn would lead to the Order and Chaos realms not being introduced along with the respective characters of those realms (Havik, Darrius, Dairou and Hotaru).
With Havik not introduced, he wouldn’t have shown up to save Kabal and so Kabal would probably be dead, meaning Mavado would still be alive and probably wanting blood for Hsu Hao’s supposed death and also, Kira and Kobra wouldn’t be in the Black Dragon.
Also, in regards to the games, MKD’s name probably would have been different. Or, it would be MKA, only there’d be no One Being. It could possibly have all ended with Quan Chi as victor just like in the MKD intro and he sets about taking over the realms with Onaga’s army. Remember that the intro takes place after Onaga’s rebirth. But, given that the Tarkata were ravaging Outworld under Onaga’s orders and that they killed the Earth warriors, would the 5 that died have overpowered the Deadly Alliance and defeated them? There’d be no Tarkata there to stop them. If so, then Raiden wouldn’t have gone all kamikaze as Onaga isn’t around and he wouldn’t have even have had to fight the DA.
Also, characters like Kitana, Kung Lao etc would be in MKD perhaps and characters like Baraka and Mileena would not have been. Baraka frees Mileena from the Edenia prisons in MKD and again this will have been under Onaga’s orders so Mileena also wouldn’t have been in MKD and there’d be no need for Sindel or Jade either. MKD’s main story would pretty much be rendered void.
One final thing is that had Dairou still made it, he’d probably have his awesome MKDA concept look, story and weapons. Others in the game would probably be affected by all of this change.
So how do you think MKD would have turned out had Onaga not been freed and who would be in it etc? And given the vast changes, how would MKA have turned out, if it indeed could come about?

Deception storyline left me somewhat confused. In generla for me at least didn't feel like a full sequel in terms of story progression, and improvement to the fighting like MK: A is going to be. From a MK POV, Deception didn't feel like it was the next chapter to me, For me it came off as "mini part" where nothing important happen. You know like one of those season cliffhangers starting and end wrapped within two hours. Deception to me was more of a setup for MK: A more than anything else, sort of like MKT was the setup for MK4. You know that MKT wasn't the real sequel to MK3, but MKT setup MK4 perfectly in giving us hints on who we will see and what will happen next. Overall I agree TGrant.
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04/11/2006 02:28 PM (UTC)
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Keith Wrote:
I never thought I would say this but thank god for Onaga! Don't get me wrong I hate the cunt, stupid ugly bastard but thank god. No Sindel, no Tanya, No Mileena, No jade, No Ashrah, no Dead Kitana! Madness! You actually made me appreciate Onaga and I will never forgive you for it!!! *shakes fist...
That is really wierd though, awesome thread man...grin

Lol! Well, I guess this thread was good for something! But at least you can understand what the changes would mean and how drastic they'd be.
Thanks, dude!
Randy Wrote:
Man, you must have a high IQ TG because that must have been hard to think up. It was hard for me to get my head round it but i understand it.
Very thought provoking post!

Thanks, Randy. My IQ is above 100. That's all I know!
I'm glad you understood the thread!
scorpio Wrote:
well, there have been 7 installemnts released.
but, if you are gonna go based on story, there would be less then 6. mk3-mkt all had the same story. just minor tweaks in gameplay and a few story upgrades. much like mkda-mkd-mka.

Yes, there are 7 official games. This thread is merely proposing a theory that could show how MKA could have been the 6th MK game rather than the 7th and how MKD could have been completely missed.
scorpio Wrote:
what really bugs me, is that people on here, and the games actual story, calls mk1 "the first tournament"....and it wasnt. if im not mistaken, it says somewhere "mortal kombat has always existed" (or something like that) i know it says "mortal kombat has always been, and always will be" on mkda. also, goro became champion before mk1, by defeating the original kung lao in a tournament.

I believe they mean the first tournament of this MK era (set of games). Raiden calls it the first tournament I believe in the MKSM intro. We know that MK has taken place many times before. I think it's just a phrase that's stuck.
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04/11/2006 06:09 PM (UTC)
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For this Generation of consoles (I mean PS2, Xbox & Gamecube) Probably... I don't think this aging machines can give us better performance than the last games... but maybe fo PS3, Xbox 360 & Nintendo Revolution we can expect a lot more... and I hope so cause I'm a MK fan, Ed Boon is not that dumb to kill his golden egg layng goose that
cuestion sound to me like... Billy Gates of Microsoft going to stop to create more Windows... I DON'T THINK SO!!!! as long as we keep buying MK games are going to kontinuewink but theres nothing bad about ask... a cuestion don't kill nobodygrin
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04/11/2006 06:29 PM (UTC)
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That's weird, I've been thinking of this very same subject for awhile now. And most of my thoughts were similar to yours, except yours are more in-depth.
Anyways, Awesome thread man.
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04/12/2006 03:59 PM (UTC)
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Just a thought that came to my mind; what if the only reason Onaga chose a vessel was because Reptile was already there? What if Onaga had just gone back to his original body instead, and the Dragon Embryo still hatched? Imagine Onaga taking control of a baby dragon to use in battle! That would've been difficult to put in, but sweet!
Another possibility; what if Quan Chi had won? What would he do with the Mummified Army (other than conquer everyone)? Would a greater enemy have emerged anyway, like Shinnok, or Sektor, to claim his power?
Also, Sub-Zero would still have the Dragon Medallion, and now the Cryomancer Armour, which must be giving him a whole lot more power than before... And if Kabal had not killed Mavado, would the Red Dragon still be allied with Quan Chi? And would they go to war with the Lin Kuei? Man, so many questions! Cool thread, t-man!
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04/12/2006 07:45 PM (UTC)
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"Yes, there are 7 official games. This thread is merely proposing a theory that could show how MKA could have been the 6th MK game rather than the 7th and how MKD could have been completely missed."
same as mk3 and umk3.
"I believe they mean the first tournament of this MK era (set of games). Raiden calls it the first tournament I believe in the MKSM intro. We know that MK has taken place many times before. I think it's just a phrase that's stuck."
its been called the first tournament in other games as well. in reptiles story it says "..served as shang tsungs personal protector in the first tournament". i dont think its the phrase thats stuck..i think its the mk team forgeting storylines.
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