MKD Tier List.....Predictions.
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posted09/14/2004 07:03 PM (UTC)by
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First off this isn't what you guys think. I wouldn't be idiotic enough to post a tier list for a game that's not even out yet, but like other fighting game communities it wouldn't be a bad idea to consult over the videos we have watched and make an intelligent prediction as to who is going to top,mid and low tier in the new Mortal Kombat game.
First off...
1. This is just a prediction. We will not know the true tiers untill late in the year or early 2005, when most of the good strategies have been discovered and what's abuseable is known buy most.
2. No "tiers don't exist" arguments please. It's a sad thing if you don't believe in them, but if you stick by that then just stay away from this topic. I don't want bad blood.
3. No biasness. Sub-Zero is by far my favorite video game character ever, but I know he sucked in MKDA. I accepted it and let it go and worked with what he had. So please don't hype your character up just cuz hes your favorite. Be honest and your opinion will be more respected.
With that said, let's get this shit off.
~Returning Characters~
Scorpion - Well, looks like hes going to take a BIG hit come MKD. He was obviously the best character in MKDA, but the reason why was because of pi gua. Now that Hotaru has Pi Gua scorpion will be lacking MKDA's best stance. Hapkido is stil in which is a good thing. It was a decent stance in MKDA and has many uses. If d+4 hit the hellfire was guaranteed. I am not sure if this will be the case in MKD, but we will see. He still has the hellfire, and I am assuming it's still unblockable on contrary to the rumors earlier this year that it could now be blocked. I don't know about his new stance, we'll see. Overall i say Scorpion will be good, but obviously not as good as he was in Deadly Alliance. Mid Tier character.
Bo Rai Cho - So far it seems like all of Bo's shit is unchanged, which means Bo will most likely be the shit again. We all know Drunken Fist was broke as fuck in MKDA, and with the sped up gameplay it will only be better. The puke led to infinite, but we don't know if that's still in. Knowing Ed Boon and the crew,however, i doubt he'll care enough about the gameplay to take it out. 3,2 led to a guaranteed stomp, and if you did that 4 times the match was over. However, with Combo Breakers Bo will have to wait until the opponent's bolts run out to have a sure fire infinite because if not the opponent can easily just CB it. Interactive enviorments will def help bo out. Probably more than any of the returning characters. While the CB will make his infinite less effective, I still believe he's going to be a dominant force. Top Tier.
Sub-Zero - Sub-Zero fans across the world moaned at his mediocrity in MKDA. Face it buddies, Sub-Zero hasn't been awesome gameplay wise since MK3 when he was so broken that he was the only character people used. However, things are looking fairly bright for us. MKD sped up gameplay will allow us to set things up that weren't possible in MKDA. The Cold Shoulder(if it's back) will be a lot better because of this as well. It's knock back properties can lead to ring outs(or death traps as midway likes to call it) which will also be good. He's def one of those characters(like bo rai cho) who will benefit from the interactive arenas. The clone is going to be off the fucking hook as long as they leave it the way it is in the videos. It comes out super fast and unlike in UMK3/MK4 you can do it up close. From what I have heard you can cancel your combo into the clone so that should be good for anti combo breaker and anti interruption. Speaking of Combo Breakers, this will also help Sub out. The risk/reward ratio for Sub-Zero was quite shitty, but with Sub in MKD and the combo breakers he will be able to attack more freely without the risk of losing half his bar atleast 3 times. If history means anything the freeze will suck again, but because it knocks back on block maybe it will have some use for death traps set ups. Speaking of freeze, when they are frozen Sub would be able to pick up the stage weapons without worry as well. Kori Blade has been updated with a new launcher and lows, but at the loss of Dragon: d+3, one of Sub's best moves in MKDA. Overall, Sub will without doubt be a solid character in MKD. His faith lies with whether Ed Boon will tone down the clone or leave it like it is(please!). So I would say...he will be a top tier character.
~New Characters~
Sindel - I haven't seen much, but from what i've heard she aint lookin too good at all. She seems very unsafe and her scream on block has "please do a lot of damage to me" writtin all over it. Her weapon seems like it's gonna have dope range, but then again, who cares? The staff in MKDA had nice range and who the hell used that? I think she's going to be a low tier character.
Hotaru - This can go both ways, but if the Back Dash Cancel glitch is back(which from what i've benn told it is), Hotaru is a candidate for the best character in the game. He has the almighty Pi Gua and that is enough to make him a devastating character in the right hands. His low fire ball is gonna be a move to be feared, and because of this it will cause opponents to block low a lot, leaving them open for a mid attack. I haven't seen much, but what i've seen looks very good. Watch out for hotaru. I think he's gonna be top tier.
That's all for now yall. Feedback!
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08/28/2004 06:33 PM (UTC)
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I think you're predictions are going to be very accurate.
I'd also throw Nightwolf on as being one of the top tier characters mainly because of Tae Kwan Do. Even though I've only seen the lightning move once it looks like it may be abuseable.
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08/28/2004 06:36 PM (UTC)
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You put alot of thought into this thread Versatile, and it shows. Great job smile. I agree with what you have put so far. I completely agree that Hotaru will be a top tier character. From what I have seen so far he is probably the highest tiered character so far. The other new character I would like to mention would be:
Kobra- His moves look incredibly fast, and with the Liu Kang style low, and high fireballs he will be a character to be feared. He looks to have great juggle potential, and will probably have some damaging combos. Because of his speed, special moves, and juggle combo potential I would rate Kobra a top tier character.
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08/28/2004 06:38 PM (UTC)
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You're one fast ass reader The Truth. BTW that's a dope fighting game nickname..lol. Hope to face ya in tournament or somethin. Versatile vs The Truth match videos.
Nightwolf - Like The Truth said, Nightwolf should be ILL as hell. Anyone notice how hes the shit in every game he's in. Shoulder Ram = death trap possibilities, and like TT said the lightning is going to have it's set ups and looks like it will be pretty good. Most importantly NW has TKD, which was one of the best stance in MKDA. NW should be a top tier.
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08/28/2004 06:39 PM (UTC)
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I think that's pretty accurate. Im still pissed that Scorpion doesn't have Pi Gua anymore, I doubt his new stance will be better.
But then, they added a bunch of moves to the fighting styles from MKDA so a style that sucked in MKDA could be good in this game, depending on what they did with it.
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08/28/2004 06:41 PM (UTC)
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The_Truth Wrote:
I think you're predictions are going to be very accurate.
I'd also throw Nightwolf on as being one of the top tier characters mainly because of Tae Kwan Do. Even though I've only seen the lightning move once it looks like it may be abuseable.

Yeah, Tae Kwon Do was 1 of the most powerful styles of MKDA, it was just too powerful. Im sure Nightwolf will kick ass.
I can see Mileena being Top Tier.
Sindel actually looks pretty good. Mid tier.
Scorpion: Mid tier. I think he will be weaker in this game, no Pi gua like you said.
Jade: Mid Tier.
Baraka: Mid or Top Tier.
Whatd'ya think they've done with Bo's infinite?
Do you think they'll make it impossible to vomit after the opponent lands, or just make it so that they can roll away?
Assuming he still has that same combo, but yeah I agree with everything you said so far. Nice to see ya again smile.
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08/28/2004 06:43 PM (UTC)
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Long time no see!
Not much to comment on your own comments; only I do think Bo' will lose the infinite. Remember that in PAL DA, Frost also lost hers and on PAL display, Bo's infinite is almost impossible to pull off because its fifth hit could be blocked.
Versatile Wrote:
Hotaru - This can go both ways, but if the Back Dash Cancel glitch is back(which from what i've it is), Hotaru is candidate for the best character in the game. He has the almighty Pi Gua and that is enough to make him a devastating character in the right hands. His low fire ball is gonna be a move to be feared, and because of this it will cause opponents to block low a lot, leaving them open for a mid attack. I haven't seen much, but what i've seen looks very good. Watch out for hotaru. I think he's gonna be top tier.

Well, Hotaru's projectile seems like an updated bomb to me, only much faster and with less delay. I don't have a clear idea what its range will be, however.
Now, as to the rest, I have a few small comments.
- Nightwolf: looks rather impressive and seems to have a few interesting launchers. I'm not sure anymore but didn't he have tae kwon do? If so, he'll be guaranteed to compete with the rest in mid- to top-tier. I also wonder what the use of his arrows actually is.
- Kabal: has the hookswords, whose destructive powers will be enhanced with the better speed. Also, it seems to have gotten a few new moves. And if I'm right, his spin dash stops right next to his opponent, making it an improvement versus the freeze move.
- Baraka: juggling abilities with his blades (I've seen a 3 or 4 hit combo/juggle that did around 30% in one of the earlier vids). Also, does he still have hung gar? I doubt they'll have changed the f+4 brokenness.
I can't say much about the rest. For Ermac, I think delay and safety will be a major issue. Kenshi with judo actually makes him worse imo (san shou had a power-up), especially since I heard they'll be removing all reversals, pu's, etc etc. I was not very impressed with Ashrah. Dairou's blade looked like a watered down kirehashi blade to me. Mileena looked fairly okay. I wonder how safe her special moves will be.
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08/28/2004 06:44 PM (UTC)
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Oh yeah, Kobra also looks fantastic! I would not be surprised if he turns out to be a Top tier. Like someone said, he moves very fast!
And he has Kali Sticks I think, and those were some deadly weapons. Karate was pretty good in MKDA.
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08/28/2004 06:45 PM (UTC)
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Thanks for the love malebolgia. I haven't checked out the Kobra match vids yet, but when I do i'll be sure to comment on him too. It really depends on how many frames the low fire ball is. If it comes out very quickly then yea it should be good, but if it comes out slow then it would be pretty easy to block. Maybe it would be an interruptor in close range as it shoud probably go under high attacks. Also, it depends on the frame disadvantage Koba is at if it's blocked. We'll see...we'll see.
Jax- Now you Scorp players can feel us Sub player's pain! BAHAHA! Sike! Scorp is still gonna be solid. The CB will balance the game out a bit, so I still expect to see a lot of Scorpion players in tournaments even if he won't be top tier.
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08/28/2004 06:56 PM (UTC)
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Versatile Wrote:
You're one fast ass reader The Truth. BTW that's a dope fighting game nickname..lol. Hope to face ya in tournament or somethin. Versatile vs The Truth match videos.
Nightwolf - Like The Truth said, Nightwolf should be ILL as hell. Anyone notice how hes the shit in every game he's in. Shoulder Ram = death trap possibilities, and like TT said the lightning is going to have it's set ups and looks like it will be pretty good. Most importantly NW has TKD, which was one of the best stance in MKDA. NW should be a top tier.

Haha, yeah, I actually got this nickname after a player from the XFL who's name was The Truth. I liked that so much I've made it my profile/screen name for every game that's allowed it.
Nightwolf really looks like a beast in Deception. I can see almost a perfect set up for some of the sloppier/newer players.
Tae Kwan Do: 4, B+3, 3, Lightning.
The real question though is if they are giving the lightning special Hellfire like properties or if it's limited to a certain range.
I'm really curious as to see just how Bo Rai Cho plays in Deception. I think the old infinite was fixed for the European version of the game so I'm sure that it won't be in Deception but you never know. If they've given him new moves and made the stance even more potent the MK team may accidentally give him a new infinite if they aren't careful.
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08/28/2004 07:09 PM (UTC)
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The_Truth Wrote:
I'm really curious as to see just how Bo Rai Cho plays in Deception. I think the old infinite was fixed for the European version of the game so I'm sure that it won't be in Deception but you never know. If they've given him new moves and made the stance even more potent the MK team may accidentally give him a new infinite if they aren't careful.

Actually his infinite wasn't really fixed for the PAL version. If you played the PAL version on 60Hz, the inifite was there alright. Frost's infinite definitely wasn't, however.
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08/28/2004 07:13 PM (UTC)
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Oh Shit! MY EUROPEAN HOMEDAWGS VQ and Timmyyyy! Sup guys! Tims I gotta new aim name and I forgot to add you on. I'll do that now. VQ I keep tellin u to get man. No one has MSN. Sign up.
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Kabal - Kabal will be pretty ok. The sped up gameplay and hookswords being really fast in MKDA = some crazy shit. Hookswords: 3 will be fast as hell! And the mix up will be even sicker(3 mix up with 2,4,4,b+3). I heard the flash is gay..whateva. He will probably be mid tier.
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08/28/2004 07:13 PM (UTC)
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Hey Vers whats up, long time no see
It looks like Sub Zero gotten alot better which is good news for you. Whats your take on Baraka?
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Sinister_Spectre
08/28/2004 07:13 PM (UTC)
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I believe Scorpion will be Top Tier.
Just because Pi Gua was the best stance in MKDA, doesn't mean it will be the best in MKD.
Hapkido was one of the best stances in MKDA.
And most videos haven't even shown the abilities of his Moi Fah stance to it's extent.
For all anybody knows, it could one of the best stances in the game.
For some reason they have Scorpion sticking to his Hapkido most of the time in the vids.
His Mugai Ryu weapon looks like a quick agile sword that will keep oppenents on their toes.
I think that weapon will own.
You guys also for got about his returning Teleport Kick which executes extremely fast and will most likely be a death trap launcher since Kobra's teleport attack is.
I also remember his Hapkido
His flaming back flip kick is also a move to be feared when nearing a death trap.
As for Sub-Zero, I think he will overall be the same as the last game since he is retaining all three of his fighting.
I don't think a few new moves added to each style will be THAT much of a difference.
His Ice clone is a move to be feared I have to admit, but his fighting styles IMO will be the same for the most part.
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08/28/2004 07:23 PM (UTC)
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I thin Kobra,as said before, will also be a Top tier character. that switching move could be very dangerous in any distraction.
I was thinking how good or bad the limited CB will work. I hope it will bring strategic to the game. edit: Great thread.
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08/28/2004 07:39 PM (UTC)
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Yo OnlyOne. This is crazy man. I can't believe by making this topic im gettin in touch with MK buds that I haven't talked to in ages. OnlyOne we def gotta talk dude. If ur uncomfortable here. Just PM me your name. Or I cna just go to the high level thread and look for ur aim name.
I am not sure about Baraka because again I have not seen his match vids either. I'll be checking that out too.
Sinsister you have to keep in mind frame disadvantage. As quick as his new sword looks, what's the frame disadv if one of those suckers are blocked? That launcer that leads to a death trap you were talking about = rape on block. You are right about his new stance though. We don't know what nasty shit that might have. Could be the next pi gua, however, I doubt that.
As of right now I think Sub-Zero will be better than Scorpion, but we'll see.
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08/28/2004 07:46 PM (UTC)
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Not to sound negative, but how could the ice clone be put to practical use if you can walk away from and around it (which wasn't the case for the ice shaker)? I hope his clone won't become the next Cyrax bomb, which was pretty worthless in DA.
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08/28/2004 07:54 PM (UTC)
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I'm guessing that Jade, Ermac and Tanya will be top tier or higher mid tier.
Scorpion and Sub-Zero will both be mid tier.
Nightwolf will be looking like a top tier character thanks to tae Kwon Do along with Kobra and Baraka maybe.
Mileena could also be top or mid tier. If they ruin her she could be bottom tier.
Hotaru looks to be top tier and Ashrah might be mid tier.
Noob Smoke should be varied enough to be mid or higher tier and Bo Rai Cho might also be mid tier.
Kenshi will most likely be mid tier again and Kabal is looking at mid tier too.
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08/28/2004 07:57 PM (UTC)
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VainQueur Wrote:
Not to sound negative, but how could the ice clone be put to practical use if you can walk away from and around it (which wasn't the case for the ice shaker)? I hope his clone won't become the next Cyrax bomb, which was pretty worthless in DA.
VQ

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Totally agree.
Also that thing Noob Smoke seams to be a cheap character. Switching characters, invisibility, should give a great advantage. There's no way to predict an attack when in invisibility mode unless it's timed. But we need more videos and info on the Noob Smoke thing. By the video of Midway Summer Presentation it is clear that double will be impressive.
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08/28/2004 08:08 PM (UTC)
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The thing is Versatile, in MKDA, Hapkido alone dominated Sub-Zero's 3 fighting styles.
I don't see how adding a few moves to Sub's styles will change that.
And Scorpion's special moves look to be more effective in MKDA as well as MKD.
I don't really know if anyone else has tried this tactic with Scorpion.
Hapkido up+4 followed by a Spear + Infernal = ass raping.
I'll be using this tactic in MKD with whatever chain combo Scorpion will be getting with his new styles.
Especially when I ended it with Hapkido 3+<1 and put the icing on the cake with Hellfire.
I also tend not to include the Hellfire move into the combo.
I wait until the last minute when the opponent gets up then I execute it so it inflicts the maximum amount of damage as a single move.
And I seriously hope that Univeraal Tracking garbage has been fixed because that was the cheapest way to win in MKDA.
Through a damn glitch.
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08/28/2004 08:12 PM (UTC)
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VainQueur Wrote:
Not to sound negative, but how could the ice clone be put to practical use if you can walk away from and around it (which wasn't the case for the ice shaker)? I hope his clone won't become the next Cyrax bomb, which was pretty worthless in DA.
VQ

That's cuz if you step it it's still going to be right by you. Not to mention Sub can step in the opposite direction so you guys are still in between it. Get what im saying?
As for walking back..so? Cuz in UMK3/MK3/MK4 you could that very same thing. Didn't stop the clone from being broke as hell in MK3, and a pretty good move in MK4/UMK3. It comes out so fast that walking back wont be much of an issue. Heres a few examples of cool stuff I could think up with for clone set ups.
Shotokan: 1 on block go straight into clone. If they try to punish your 1 they will be frozen. Free damage.
Dragon: u+4 on block go straight into clone. Same thing, but obviously if they are quick enough u+4 can be punished, but it's a set up.
Those are just a few I can think of off the top of my head without the game in front of me, but trust me the clone will be great.
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08/28/2004 08:12 PM (UTC)
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well My take on Baraka is that he's gonna be High-Mid tier to top tier in the sense that 2 of his 3 styles have question marks. he has Hung gar which was a solid style in MKDA IMO. if all goes well we could be seeing reptiles replacement
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08/28/2004 08:13 PM (UTC)
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BTW vers my AIM is TheOnlyOne1337
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Versatile
08/28/2004 08:16 PM (UTC)
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Yeah Hung Gar was good to compliment Reptile's crab, but by itself it's decent. f+4 is sick,yes, but Hung Gar really doesn't have a mid attack to compliment it except maybe b+3, but we'll see about that. Im assuming hes gonna be atleast mid tier as well.
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