queve Wrote: venom8602 Wrote: Fellas, although some people thought that this sytle (with Sonya Blade) was pretty cheap, I must say that it was the most deadliest in the game!! TAE KWON DO was increible and anyone that uses it will be just as deadly (although somewhat cheap) as Sonya was in MKDA. One of the most deadliest in the entire game, yes. Kenpo is underrated IMO. VERS, you know a whole lot more then I do about gameplay, so tell me, why is Kenpo underrated? It was actually very very strong and fast, and I tend to use is as my first option of attack.

Kenpo sucked because it wasnt safe and dealt very little damage compared to TKD. TKD had everything Kenpo had and more. Spacing options, a sick mix up,safeness and speed. With all that you don't need kenpo..ever. Starting your match off with Kenpo only lessens your chance of victory. As soon as the announcer says fight switch off into TKD and stay there for the rest of the fight. If you need any strategies on how to use TKD just ask.
BTW Im assuming since Sonya wont be in ur gonna use nightwolf?

queve Wrote: venom8602 Wrote: Fellas, although some people thought that this sytle (with Sonya Blade) was pretty cheap, I must say that it was the most deadliest in the game!! TAE KWON DO was increible and anyone that uses it will be just as deadly (although somewhat cheap) as Sonya was in MKDA. One of the most deadliest in the entire game, yes. Kenpo is underrated IMO. VERS, you know a whole lot more then I do about gameplay, so tell me, why is Kenpo underrated? It was actually very very strong and fast, and I tend to use is as my first option of attack.

Kenpo sucked because it wasnt safe and dealt very little damage compared to TKD. TKD had everything Kenpo had and more. Spacing options, a sick mix up,safeness and speed. With all that you don't need kenpo..ever. Starting your match off with Kenpo only lessens your chance of victory. As soon as the announcer says fight switch off into TKD and stay there for the res

queve Wrote: venom8602 Wrote: Fellas, although some people thought that this sytle (with Sonya Blade) was pretty cheap, I must say that it was the most deadliest in the game!! TAE KWON DO was increible and anyone that uses it will be just as deadly (although somewhat cheap) as Sonya was in MKDA. One of the most deadliest in the entire game, yes. Kenpo is underrated IMO. VERS, you know a whole lot more then I do about gameplay, so tell me, why is Kenpo underrated? It was actually very very strong and fast, and I tend to use is as my first option of attack.

Kenpo sucked because it wasnt safe and dealt very little damage compared to TKD. TKD had everything Kenpo had and more. Spacing options, a sick mix up,safeness and speed. With all that you don't need kenpo..ever. Starting your match off with Kenpo only lessens your chance of victory. As soon as the announcer says fight switch off into TKD and stay there for the res

The_Truth Wrote: It's not so much Kenpo is a bad style, there are others that are worse, but there's no real point to use it. Tae Kwan Do is much faster and much safer to use which is why most people overlook it.

Thanks. I also thought that was the reason. But hey, Kenpos is not near from being a bad style, or one of the worse.
Its very effective, and hey, like I said, its my first option to start an attack combo.

Versatile Wrote: Yo sup SZM. Whos ur main in MK? Subby or does it vary from game to game? I think Sub is gonna be anti Nightwolf cuz of clone. Sub is def gonna be a defensive character too.

Yea it does vary from game to game. But in MKDA it was Scorpion for obvious reasons. I of couse wanted Sub to be better be he was still good, just had to work harder for it. Shang and Bo too.
Btw, do you think that universal tracking will be taken out this time or be left in?

Sorry for the double post.
I think this game is going to have a much bigger list of top tier characters and a much smaller list of mid tier,low tier characters. I actually think very few characters will be bad, but we will see.

Um I think the universal track will probably remain. Which will be funny because it will really make a waste of the huge arenas, but whatever.

Thanks VERS, and to answer a few questions:
1o NEVER! Just because Nightwolf has TKD doesn’t mean I will only use him or use him the most. Its kind a silly to do that IMO. He is one of my fave characters, so yeah, I will use him a lot, but not cause of TKD.
2o Omg .what’s the point of having 3 styles to play with if you are only going to stick with 1 for the entire round?
That would turn the whole fight boring, and it’s so unnecessary to do that. Even if TKD is the best, Kenpo is fun to use just because its different, same with Kali.
The styles add variety and fun to the game, to stick with one would turn monotonous and extremely boring. A very silly thing to do, takes away the fun.
But if you are too worried about winning a very difficult match, then I agree.

queve Wrote: Thanks VERS, and to answer a few questions: 1o NEVER! Just because Nightwolf has TKD doesn’t mean I will only use him or use him the most. Its kind a silly to do that IMO. He is one of my fave characters, so yeah, I will use him a lot, but not cause of TKD. 2o Omg .what’s the point of having 3 styles to play with if you are only going to stick with 1 for the entire round? That would turn the whole fight boring, and it’s so unnecessary to do that. Even if TKD is the best, Kenpo is fun to use just because its different, same with Kali. The styles add variety and fun to the game, to stick with one would turn monotonous and extremely boring. A very silly thing to do, takes away the fun. But if you are too worried about winning a very difficult match, then I agree.

It's called high level play.

JAX007 Wrote: queve Wrote: Thanks VERS, and to answer a few questions: 1o NEVER! Just because Nightwolf has TKD doesn’t mean I will only use him or use him the most. Its kind a silly to do that IMO. He is one of my fave characters, so yeah, I will use him a lot, but not cause of TKD. 2o Omg .what’s the point of having 3 styles to play with if you are only going to stick with 1 for the entire round? That would turn the whole fight boring, and it’s so unnecessary to do that. Even if TKD is the best, Kenpo is fun to use just because its different, same with Kali. The styles add variety and fun to the game, to stick with one would turn monotonous and extremely boring. A very silly thing to do, takes away the fun. But if you are too worried about winning a very difficult match, then I agree. It's called high level play.

Reason why I said:
“But if you are too worried about winning a very difficult match, then I agree.”

JAX007 Wrote: queve Wrote: Thanks VERS, and to answer a few questions: 1o NEVER! Just because Nightwolf has TKD doesn’t mean I will only use him or use him the most. Its kind a silly to do that IMO. He is one of my fave characters, so yeah, I will use him a lot, but not cause of TKD. 2o Omg .what’s the point of having 3 styles to play with if you are only going to stick with 1 for the entire round? That would turn the whole fight boring, and it’s so unnecessary to do that. Even if TKD is the best, Kenpo is fun to use just because its different, same with Kali. The styles add variety and fun to the game, to stick with one would turn monotonous and extremely boring. A very silly thing to do, takes away the fun. But if you are too worried about winning a very difficult match, then I agree. It's called high level play.

Exactly what i was about to say. High Level play is rarely "fun", because most of the time it's when you show case your skills and such. You do what you can do win, and I assure that you will never see a Sonya player in a serious match up use Kenpo unless he or she wants to get fucked up really bad. So its most definately neccessary to avoid Kenpo and Kali Sticks at high level. Also, trust me Queve, winning is not boring, but MKDA is :)

Man WTF. I keep getting a message that says I can't post.

Everytime I try to post my long reply, I keep getting this stupid message:
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MENTHOL Wrote: Everytime I try to post my long reply, I keep getting this stupid message: Error: Message Format Error Sorry, but unfortunately the message you entered is invalid. Please Go Back and try again. Anyone know why?

Hmmmmm....try updating the site. If that does not work, I have no idea.
Sorry.

What do you mean update the site? I can post everything else normally as it's obvious because I'm replying. But apparently my sweet long reply isn't acceptable.

Mileena would probably be top tier now that we all know she got her teleport kick back, and she got a sai as a weapon which kicks major ass.

It looks like sindel will be low tier mainly beacause of her eagle claw

I have had this happen to me as well. I finally gave up and rewrote it and it worked. It might be a word you/we were trying to use that the site doesn't like. Sux tho cuz i'm sure it was a great reply cuz I have read your stuff before.

Instant message me (VersatileBJN) and ill post it for ya.

Heya Verse.
Been thinking about it a lot from a lot of angles since they started releasing the first few fight vids.
But Subby is bound to be good due to Ice Clone. Here is what I think the Ice Clone can be used for:
1) Like you said, poking then ice-cloning back when the opponent tries to punish you will make them get frozen and will eventually condition the opponent to fear retaliating and cause more cautiosness.
2) Ice Clone, then poke from behind it. Therefore your opponent won't retaliate, even if you're doing the slowest crap in the game.
3) Ice Clone, then fight slightly infront of it. If your opponent attempts any chains, combos, etc. they will move along with Sub-Zero until they get to the clone and get their shit stopped midway and frozen.
4) Ice Clone infront of your opponent, dash forward back in immediately and do a 50/50 mixup. I'm sure seeing Ice Clone is going to make some people not able to think on spot other than for blocking. Also, dashing in and assuming throws are unblockable highs, it's just gonna be sweet.
There are FEW ways I can think of to truly fight Ice Clone, most of them would have to be done on prediction before ice clone (projectile, teleport move, etc.).
As for sidestepping it, Sub can easily make the Ice Clone go on his axis if he sees the opponent sidestep by backdashing or forwarddashing onto his clone. Therefore when the opponent is sidestepping around him, Sub and his clone is only pivoting in position. If it runs out, just clone again.
Subby is definately going top tier with the clone at its current state because it's safe and fast and allows him to fight safe with everything he has.

It says you're not online, Vers.

Oh well. it was nothing great. My main points were:
1) EVERYONE is going to get beasted by my Kobra.
2) I don't play Scorpion anymore. He's garbage to me. There will be 9 billion Scorpion players online. I look forward to destroying them all and making everyone who uses re-think why they love him so much.
Just for the record, i switched over to Cage when I sent you that PM about him. I've been using him straight through and have turned him into a turtler from hell.
3) You getting the PS2 version, Versy pursy?

VQ: Hotaru's ground fireball can actually be done after a juggle to relaunch the character, so I think it'll be a lot more reminiscent to Telekinetic Slam.
On the point of Telekinetic Slam, I have a few predictions.
Ermac > Kenshi.
Kenshi relied on chain to juggle or juggle, then: TKS, jab, TKS, jab, TKS, TKT or TKS, jab, TKS, jab, TKT. Which easily gave him 35-40% damage after a juggle. Mix it up with a low and that's Kenshi. However, any stance almost can provide that jab. Kenshi has also lost his second stance, which while not good for him, was replaced with a stance that is just as useless for him. His sword has been updated with vertical slashes though, but I'm not sure how useful that is.
Therefore, Ermac with TKS means he can do what made Kenshi so good (in the damage and mid tier sense), but with different and so far, hopefully better stance options, I mean unlike Kenshi, he has 2 unknown stances which is better than 2 stances that are known to not be good =). Well I suppose we can hope the axe is good, but so far it doesn't look so great.
I'm betting right now that 90% chance that Ermac > Kenshi.
Edit: Oh yeah, on Shujinko. Shujinko has a throw that launches the guy up into a normal launch, not a bounce followup. I'm not sure if throws are done by stances or characters, but man Shujinko is a powerhouse for that and that alone. Also since he has or can learn TKS, he can do jabs into TKS and then end it with a move that will easily allow him to do 35-45% juggles. Since post stances have jabs or a fast recovery poke, Shujinko can easily get any stance with TKS and throw someone, launch someone, chain into a launch into a TKS loop. With good stances he has a good and safe mixup game.

You scorpion sell out! I will personally learn Scorpion so I can fuck your kobra up and hold it down for all the scorpy fans. Word up. AND YEAH BITCH IM GETTING THE PS2 VERSION! Im on aim right now.
HDtran..Shujinko = Banned in tournaments.

lol yeah Verse, I'd guess as much seeing as how random it is to fight an opponent whose tools you cannot possibly ever gauge whereas your own is easily known, just thought I'd add that little tidbit for those people who still think Shujinko won't be top.
On a side note:
Kobra's crossover move that knocks you into deathtraps have a lot of applications, but imagine you were on the molten press stage by the death trap.
Kobra could just lure someone into the circle, cross them over, if he gets cornered, if the opponent blocks and retaliates, he'll just do a breaker push. The breaker seems to be a flop like like one of Kung Lao's Shaolin Fist moves that causes a wallhit and so far, all wallhit moves launch into death trap.
So I'm just guessing here, mainly based on the breaker hitting in or not, but basically you can safely attempt to instantly win the match as soon as you see your opponent attack or think there will be an opening and have a breaker to stop from getting punished it seems. As well as being in a better position to avoid death. If the breaker launches into the DT, man that'll be interesting, maybe broke.
2 Deathtrap attempts in 1-2 seconds!

oh yeah Menthol ima fuck ya up with Sub too just lettin ya know. Then ima fuck u up mirror match style Kobra on Kobra just to let you know I run shit up in this shit. We may be tight, but im still gonna try and be the best BITCH! FUCK YO SCRUBBY ASS KOBRA! PEACE!
oh yeah hey hdtran :). I mean im still gonna have my Shujinko online and shit, but only when im facing yall and just fucking around. I find it dumb to play him in a serious fight. I don't know if you played No Mercy, but all the CAW(create a wrestlers) were banned in tournaments as well.
You make Kobra sound so broken its not even funny. I might even bother downloading the vid. He's gonna be top tier fa sho.